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Sir Dukey
The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar
DARKSTAR ARMY
257
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Posted - 2014.01.07 04:16:00 -
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Tanks are probably at their worse state ever. I have been tanking since chromosome and I never thought it would come to this but tanks are not fun anymore. Lets go back to 1.6 and keep the AV nerfs. I have spent 12 million skillpoints into vehicles in 1.7 and here I running 77k isk sica with militia modules and railgun. There is no point to tanking, they are awfully easy to kill with militia tanks and they require no skill and are practically disposable to a point where tankers are getting out of the tank to go hack objectives. |
Joel II X
Dah Gods O Bacon
436
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Posted - 2014.01.07 04:18:00 -
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Can't tell if joking or dumb... |
Atiim
Living Like Larry Schwag
3120
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Posted - 2014.01.07 04:18:00 -
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That's one of the reasons why I stopped tanking.
Well that, and Scout mk.0.
CoD ----->
<----- WoT
Please AR and Tank scrubs, go to your respective games. Leave DUST alone!
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jerrmy12 kahoalii
The Phoenix Federation
232
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Posted - 2014.01.07 04:18:00 -
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Sir Dukey wrote:Tanks are probably at their worse state ever. I have been tanking since chromosome and I never thought it would come to this but tanks are not fun anymore. Lets go back to 1.6 and keep the AV nerfs. I have spent 12 million skillpoints into vehicles in 1.7 and here I running 77k isk sica with militia modules and railgun. There is no point to tanking, they are awfully easy to kill with militia tanks and they require no skill and are practically disposable to a point where tankers are getting out of the tank to go hack objectives.
1 mlt tank or 2 per team please, and nerf the railgun already ccp they are I win buttons againts every tank, exept a mlt rail to my double rep maddie
I use a tablet so beware of typos
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jerrmy12 kahoalii
The Phoenix Federation
232
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Posted - 2014.01.07 04:19:00 -
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Atiim wrote:That's one of the reasons why I stopped tanking.
Well that, and Scout mk.0.
You broke because negative kdr?
I use a tablet so beware of typos
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Logi Bro
Greatness Achieved Through Training
EoN.
2568
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Posted - 2014.01.07 04:19:00 -
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Bad conclusion. If it were the same as it were in 1.6, Gunnlogi's would once again be monstrously outclassed by Madrugars, but by keeping AV nerfed, you would also be removing the only advantage the the Gunnlogi actually had pre-1.7, its resistance vs AV compared to its armor brethren.
No, I am not CCP Logibro.
Not actually a Logi Bro anymore, more like a Big Bro.
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Atiim
Living Like Larry Schwag
3120
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Posted - 2014.01.07 04:21:00 -
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jerrmy12 kahoalii wrote:Atiim wrote:That's one of the reasons why I stopped tanking.
Well that, and Scout mk.0. You broke because negative kdr?
Well, considering how I have a positive KD, I'm going to say no.
Also, I never thought I'd tell a tank scrub like you this, but I think you should go to CoD. Where the other l33ts bump up their rad kd yo.
CoD ----->
<----- WoT
Please AR and Tank scrubs, go to your respective games. Leave DUST alone!
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Sir Dukey
The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar
DARKSTAR ARMY
257
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Posted - 2014.01.07 04:22:00 -
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Logi Bro wrote:Bad conclusion. If it were the same as it were in 1.6, Gunnlogi's would once again be monstrously outclassed by Madrugars, but by keeping AV nerfed, you would also be removing the only advantage the the Gunnlogi actually had pre-1.7, its resistance vs AV compared to its armor brethren.
go to 1.6 make the shield boosters like we have not and make the shield regen good...
Edit: idk just stop the madness we have right now.... |
jerrmy12 kahoalii
The Phoenix Federation
232
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Posted - 2014.01.07 04:23:00 -
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Atiim wrote:jerrmy12 kahoalii wrote:Atiim wrote:That's one of the reasons why I stopped tanking.
Well that, and Scout mk.0. You broke because negative kdr? Well, considering how I have a positive KD, I'm going to say no. Also, I never thought I'd tell a tank scrub like you this, but I think you should go to CoD. Where the other l33ts bump up their rad kd yo.
I said kdr because SCOUT and its proto, so I assumed you didnt do too well
I use a tablet so beware of typos
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Atiim
Living Like Larry Schwag
3120
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Posted - 2014.01.07 04:24:00 -
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jerrmy12 kahoalii wrote:
I said kdr because SCOUT and its proto, so I assumed you didnt do too well
Oh. My apologies 
Anyways, what I was saying is that I dropped tanking to get my PRO scout.
And a crap ton of other things...
CoD ----->
<----- WoT
Please AR and Tank scrubs, go to your respective games. Leave DUST alone!
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jerrmy12 kahoalii
The Phoenix Federation
232
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Posted - 2014.01.07 04:25:00 -
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Atiim wrote:jerrmy12 kahoalii wrote:
I said kdr because SCOUT and its proto, so I assumed you didnt do too well
Oh. My apologies Anyways, what I was saying is that I dropped tanking to get my PRO scout. And a crap ton of other things...
Thats the atim I like, but cool
I use a tablet so beware of typos
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Atiim
Living Like Larry Schwag
3120
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Posted - 2014.01.07 04:26:00 -
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Also, no the damage nerf would not be good even in 1.6.
Why? Because that would mean MLT/STD AV against Carapace Armor Hardeners.
CoD ----->
<----- WoT
Please AR and Tank scrubs, go to your respective games. Leave DUST alone!
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Sir Dukey
The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar
DARKSTAR ARMY
257
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Posted - 2014.01.07 04:26:00 -
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Atiim wrote:jerrmy12 kahoalii wrote:
I said kdr because SCOUT and its proto, so I assumed you didnt do too well
Oh. My apologies Anyways, what I was saying is that I dropped tanking to get my PRO scout. And a crap ton of other things...
well you were wise... i spent 12 mil and im still using militia tanks because there is no point in getting anything better. I havent pulled out my Xt-201 missiles gunnlogi in like 50 matches... always start with railgun sica. |
SGT NOVA STAR
Ahrendee Mercenaries
169
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Posted - 2014.01.07 04:26:00 -
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ughhhhh....
i have a gun
anyone have bullets so we can shoot ourselves?
VAYU! I CHOOSE YOU!
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jerrmy12 kahoalii
The Phoenix Federation
232
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Posted - 2014.01.07 04:27:00 -
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Atiim wrote:Also, no the damage nerf would not be good even in 1.6.
Why? Because that would mean MLT/STD AV against Carapace Armor Hardeners.
Explain?more or less damage reduction?
I use a tablet so beware of typos
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Beck Weathers
Ghosts of Dawn
General Tso's Alliance
223
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Posted - 2014.01.07 04:34:00 -
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I think rail guns RoF are a problem, and Large missles being useless Vs infantry (also ore than one hardener per fit) . but other than that I tink tanks are pretty fun atm.
I commenly have exilerating fights where i solo 3 enemy tanks ina 3 min period using cover, map knowledge and tactics. AVers whine but I commenly get pushed back or killed by advanced assult forge gunners. |
SGT NOVA STAR
Ahrendee Mercenaries
169
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Posted - 2014.01.07 04:36:00 -
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Beck Weathers wrote:I think rail guns RoF are a problem, and Large missles being useless Vs infantry (also ore than one hardener per fit) . but other than that I tink tanks are pretty fun atm.
I commenly have exilerating fights where i solo 3 enemy tanks ina 3 min period using cover, map knowledge and tactics. AVers whine but I commenly get pushed back or killed by advanced assult forge gunners.
Fragmented missiles coming back soon.
VAYU! I CHOOSE YOU!
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jerrmy12 kahoalii
The Phoenix Federation
232
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Posted - 2014.01.07 04:38:00 -
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SGT NOVA STAR wrote:Beck Weathers wrote:I think rail guns RoF are a problem, and Large missles being useless Vs infantry (also ore than one hardener per fit) . but other than that I tink tanks are pretty fun atm.
I commenly have exilerating fights where i solo 3 enemy tanks ina 3 min period using cover, map knowledge and tactics. AVers whine but I commenly get pushed back or killed by advanced assult forge gunners. Fragmented missiles coming back soon(tm).
Like the sagris
I use a tablet so beware of typos
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True Adamance
Kameira Lodge
Amarr Empire
5420
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Posted - 2014.01.07 04:38:00 -
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Joel II X wrote:Can't tell if joking or dumb...
He's neither....but he is right.
The one time I get to squad up with Jason Pearson and he is so sick of tanks he gets out and runs around on foot..... tanking is boring now, to easy, too much becoming my job when poor quality tankers spam tanks to try to win....and fail as one good tanker takes them all out.
To a Texan like you, a hero is some type of weird sandwich, not some nut who takes on three Gunlogi.
Reference = ISK
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Atiim
Living Like Larry Schwag
3121
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Posted - 2014.01.07 04:45:00 -
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jerrmy12 kahoalii wrote:Atiim wrote:Also, no the damage nerf would not be good even in 1.6.
Why? Because that would mean MLT/STD AV against Carapace Armor Hardeners. Explain?more or less damage reduction?
These current Swarms do 220HP of damage per swarm
[220 * 6 = 1320] ~1320HP per volley.
However, 1.6 swarms dealt 330HP of damage per swarms
[330 * 4 = 1320] ~1320HP per volley.
The MLT and STD swarms fire 4 missiles per volley, so this means that 1.7 PRO Swarms deal the same damage as 1.6 MLT and STD Swarms.
CoD ----->
<----- WoT
Please AR and Tank scrubs, go to your respective games. Leave DUST alone!
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jerrmy12 kahoalii
The Phoenix Federation
235
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Posted - 2014.01.07 04:47:00 -
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Atiim wrote:jerrmy12 kahoalii wrote:Atiim wrote:Also, no the damage nerf would not be good even in 1.6.
Why? Because that would mean MLT/STD AV against Carapace Armor Hardeners. Explain?more or less damage reduction? These current Swarms do 220HP of damage per swarm [220 * 6 = 1320] ~1320HP per volley. However, 1.6 swarms dealt 330HP of damage per swarms [330 * 4 = 1320] ~1320HP per volley. The MLT and STD swarms fire 4 missiles per volley, so this means that 1.7 PRO Swarms deal the same damage as 1.6 MLT and STD Swarms.
He was tqlking about hardeners, trust me I know how deadly pro swarms were
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Sir Dukey
The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar
DARKSTAR ARMY
260
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Posted - 2014.01.07 05:39:00 -
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True Adamance wrote:Joel II X wrote:Can't tell if joking or dumb... He's neither....but he is right. The one time I get to squad up with Jason Pearson and he is so sick of tanks he gets out and runs around on foot..... tanking is boring now, to easy, too much becoming my job when poor quality tankers spam tanks to try to win....and fail as one good tanker takes them all out.
true..... |
Denn Maell
PIanet Express
34
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Posted - 2014.01.07 05:56:00 -
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I am convinced now that everyone was scared off of AV when they announced the nerf. Granted I haven't gotten into it before but I recently skilled into basic Forge Guns andGǪhonestly I can't figure out why heavies have seemed so scarce of late (except for the new armor-piercing rifles of course). an Adv Heavy with a MLT Forge Gun was more than enough for an up-jumped Soma driver to clear off (and I'm sure the double damage mods helped).
This may be the first time I'm using a FG, but I can clearly see that if I had another buddy at my back and we were calling targets we could kill the tanks. If Tanks are being spammed Why then don't I see more Forge Guns on the field? |
Ryder Azorria
Amarr Templars
Amarr Empire
782
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Posted - 2014.01.07 06:07:00 -
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Denn Maell wrote:I am convinced now that everyone was scared off of AV when they announced the nerf. Granted I haven't gotten into it before but I recently skilled into basic Forge Guns andGǪhonestly I can't figure out why heavies have seemed so scarce of late (except for the new armor-piercing rifles of course). an Adv Heavy with a MLT Forge Gun was more than enough for an up-jumped Soma driver to clear off (and I'm sure the double damage mods helped).
This may be the first time I'm using a FG, but I can clearly see that if I had another buddy at my back and we were calling targets we could kill the tanks. If Tanks are being spammed Why then don't I see more Forge Guns on the field?
Because stupid. |
Leadfoot10
Molon Labe.
Public Disorder.
187
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Posted - 2014.01.07 06:07:00 -
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Denn Maell wrote:I am convinced now that everyone was scared off of AV when they announced the nerf. Granted I haven't gotten into it before but I recently skilled into basic Forge Guns andGǪhonestly I can't figure out why heavies have seemed so scarce of late (except for the new armor-piercing rifles of course). an Adv Heavy with a MLT Forge Gun was more than enough for an up-jumped Soma driver to clear off (and I'm sure the double damage mods helped).
This may be the first time I'm using a FG, but I can clearly see that if I had another buddy at my back and we were calling targets we could kill the tanks. If Tanks are being spammed Why then don't I see more Forge Guns on the field?
Because the good ones cost more than the tanks themselves, which are a less expensive, more durable, and more effective response to another tank. |
KingBabar
The Rainbow Effect
1603
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Posted - 2014.01.07 06:13:00 -
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Sir Dukey wrote:Tanks are probably at their worse state ever. I have been tanking since chromosome and I never thought it would come to this but tanks are not fun anymore. Lets go back to 1.6 and keep the AV nerfs. I have spent 12 million skillpoints into vehicles in 1.7 and here I running 77k isk sica with militia modules and railgun. There is no point to tanking, they are awfully easy to kill with militia tanks and they require no skill and are practically disposable to a point where tankers are getting out of the tank to go hack objectives.
So proper tanks get dropped by militia tanks these days.
Welcome to the real world, every 230 K protosuit gets easily dropped by a free suit With a militia AR.
No more Easy tank vs tank stomp anymore. Bu-hu.
http://s1286.photobucket.com/user/KingBabar/media/BannerKingbabarcopy.png.html
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Foundation Seldon
Gespenster Kompanie
357
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Posted - 2014.01.07 06:52:00 -
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I don't get much satisfaction out of tanking anymore because i don't really feel like I'm all that vulnerable in any given situation. It's why I've gone back to rocking my LAV for the most part.
Saga v. Methana Balance
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Operative 1171 Aajli
Bragian Order
Amarr Empire
1005
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Posted - 2014.01.07 07:07:00 -
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Why do ppl ever think that anything is supposed to be some sort of leetist skill in a game like this?
Go measure your c*cks somewhere else.
Trash it, bash it and rehash it.
Do your part. Join the revolution. Sabotage FW. Help this game burn!
BURN DUST 2014
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Lynn Beck
Granite Mercenary Division
Top Men.
503
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Posted - 2014.01.07 07:09:00 -
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I like that militia tanks have a chance, and most AV'ers are just plain dumb.
I've been near instakilled by AV many times: 2 fluxes, 1 RE and a cbr7 swarm; 1 Wbfg shot to the back and a locus nade(!); 1 Iafg and 2 av nades
Sadly i can't trust shield boosters anymore because half the time they just derp out.
I've solod tanks before(in 1.7) and i've been solod, some people are catching on.
Under 28db
Officially nerfproof (predicting CR nerf February '14)
I have a God, His name is Dakka.
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Sir Dukey
The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar
DARKSTAR ARMY
261
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Posted - 2014.01.07 15:17:00 -
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KingBabar wrote:Sir Dukey wrote:Tanks are probably at their worse state ever. I have been tanking since chromosome and I never thought it would come to this but tanks are not fun anymore. Lets go back to 1.6 and keep the AV nerfs. I have spent 12 million skillpoints into vehicles in 1.7 and here I running 77k isk sica with militia modules and railgun. There is no point to tanking, they are awfully easy to kill with militia tanks and they require no skill and are practically disposable to a point where tankers are getting out of the tank to go hack objectives. So proper tanks get dropped by militia tanks these days. Welcome to the real world, every 230 K protosuit gets easily dropped by a free suit With a militia AR. No more Easy tank vs tank stomp anymore. Bu-hu.
Militia tanks right now are like giving a free starter fit a proto rail rifle and giving it a 6 second reload instead of 2. And since dropsuits don't have hardners, if they did, it would be like giving starter fits complex hardeners and making it have a 20 second cooldown instead of 10 but they all last the same time. |
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