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Samuel Zelik
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Posted - 2014.01.07 00:26:00 -
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TL;DR: Gallente should get a Light flamethrower, Caldari should get a Light missile launcher.
Intro: I'm not sure if other people have noticed, but I really like what CCP has been doing with the feel of the Rifles and their "secondary" sisters. If you don't know what I mean, I'll break down how I view the rifles.
The Minmatar possess the Combat Rifle as the primary infantry assault weapon, yet there is also the "secondary" Mass Driver (which for all intents and purposes, I'm considering a rifle; also, a weapon that now has been shifted into the support/suppression role). In addition, the Mass Driver is an explosive rifle in contrast to projectile.
The Amarr possess the Scrambler Rifle as their primary infantry assault weapon, but they also have the Laser Rifle, which shares a similar role (although functionally different) to the Mass Driver, and thus acts a "secondary" rifle. Just like the Mass Driver, the LR contrasts its sibling by being a continuous laser rather than a scrambling laser.
I view this as a pattern amongst the races, and I'm hoping the Gallente and Caldari will receive their "secondary" rifles (I don't consider the Plasma Cannon the Gallente's; it's more in line with the Swarm Launcher as a Light AV, although it can be effective against infantry).
This being said, I'd like to bring to light my ideas for their secondary weapons.
Gallente - Plasma Ignitor / Plasmathrower I know this has been brought up before, so I won't elaborate too much.
The weapon would be a flamethrower, but the plasma would be sticky and would continue to burn the enemy for a period of time after being exposed to the plasma. The period of burn after exposure would be some portion of how long the enemy remained in the AoE. So staying in the plasma for a second would result in little to no after-burn, but staying in the plasma for five seconds would result in direct damage from the plasma and also 1-2 seconds of residual burn damage.
Although I'm not necessarily in favor of this, having the burn damage be piercing and applied directly to the armor might be an interesting concept.
Caldari - Accelerator Rifle / Missile Rifle I've not heard as much hype about this one, but honestly this would be a weapon I'd be most excited to see.
Here is a video for reference of what I'm aiming at (note: It's the pink "handgun"; Bulldog Rocket Launching Rifle (RLR)).
Instead of being in handgun form, the weapon would be in the form a pseudo-rifle. The weapon would be automatic and have about 4-8 missiles per clip. The weapon would be a long range weapon, have a slower RoF, and have long reload time.
If you watched the entire video, you'll notice that the weapon performs well on stationary targets (it's EXTREMELY accurate), doing MASSIVE damage (generally one-shots or two-shots for heavy armor); however, with the least bit of movement, the rounds will miss and do an insignificant amount of splash damage in a small blast radius. Later in the video, the Magnaguard's Bulldog RLR is seen precisely hitting a small turret at longer-ish range, but enemies close by easily avoid the rifle. (I will also note that when using this weapon in SWB II, generally 1-2 shots at an enemy right next to the user will kill the user.)
I understand the SWARMs could be modified to do something similar, but I'd much rather have this as a separate weapon.
Conclusion: I'd really like to see at least the Caldari Missile Rifle come to fruition, but I'd also like to hear what people have to say about the "secondary" rifle thing and/or present some additional ideas. I'll keep this updated as I get good feedback.
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Posted - 2014.01.07 00:44:00 -
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Nice ideas. I approve
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Posted - 2014.01.07 01:23:00 -
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I wouldn't class things like the mass driver as a rifle.
Laser Rifle has a near-sniper range, and in a world where each race has a high-range weapon, I expect lasers to be effectively an Amarr sniper rifle. So I'd imagine we'll eventually get long-range precision weapons for the Gallente and Minmatar as well.
Every race has an assault rifle, every race should get an AV weapon, if they don't have one, etc.
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Posted - 2014.01.07 01:24:00 -
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whats to stop the rlr from being op in cqc, dont get me wrong id love to have it but i dont want see it getting nerf hammered for over use in cqc.
im thinking large exlposion radius,compensates for distance time in long range realativly low dps,to prevent cqc spam but should take 3 shots tops to kill a fully tanked sentinel
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Samuel Zelik
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Posted - 2014.01.07 01:38:00 -
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Piercing Serenity wrote:Nice ideas. I approve Thank you!
Soraya Xel wrote:I wouldn't class things like the mass driver as a rifle.
Laser Rifle has a near-sniper range, and in a world where each race has a high-range weapon, I expect lasers to be effectively an Amarr sniper rifle. So I'd imagine we'll eventually get long-range precision weapons for the Gallente and Minmatar as well.
Every race has an assault rifle, every race should get an AV weapon, if they don't have one, etc. Some people won't agree with my classifications; I'm OK with that. I'm merely voicing the way I view the current weapons.
The Laser Rifle is FAR from a sniper. The range is comparable to that of a Rail Rifle, and loses almost every time in a balls-out fight (with the Rail Rifle). Lasers are generally mid-to-long range, so I'd assume the Amarr sniper is on the way, considering the LR range pales in comparison to the current Snipers (which the Amarr sniper will have to have a relative, comparable range).
I agree with your final statement.
deepfried salad gilliam wrote:whats to stop the rlr from being op in cqc, dont get me wrong id love to have it but i dont want see it getting nerf hammered for over use in cqc.
im thinking large exlposion radius,compensates for distance time in long range realativly low dps,to prevent cqc spam but should take 3 shots tops to kill a fully tanked sentinel I think the RoF, the speed of the missiles, and blast radius should be the limiting factors of the Accelerator Rifle. I completely understand your concern (*cries over LR*). The CQC spam would be prevented because the Rifle would fire rather slowly, the missile speed would be slower (if you notice in the video, even the moving CPU could weave through the RLR relatively easily because even though the missile was insanely accurate, it moved slowly), and anything other than direct hits would deal negligible damage.
I'm against a large blast radius because generally it leads to people QQing over the AoE damage taking no skill (people QQ'd over the Mass Driver). In long range, the distance time would be compensated by the accuracy.
Instead of a relatively low DPS, the DPS would be a determined by whether the shot hits or not. Missing close by within the small blast radius does minimal damage, but direct hits are brutal.
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Samuel Zelik
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Posted - 2014.01.07 14:51:00 -
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Fixed my idea on the Plasmathrower because I forgot to include part of the description. My idea contrasts the image of the traditional flamethrower, so I'm not sure how people feel about that; thoughts?
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Posted - 2014.01.07 15:17:00 -
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You must have the rail rifle, distance means nothing with it, it's just a automatic tactical, the flamethrower seems interesting but it will come OP'd then everybody and there momma will get it, then they will nerf it and everyone will complain, I do agree with every race have'n their weapons and mass drivers as rifles reminds me off the gaylock lol
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Samuel Zelik
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Posted - 2014.01.07 15:33:00 -
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Big Swool wrote:You must have the rail rifle, distance means nothing with it, it's just a automatic tactical, the flamethrower seems interesting but it will come OP'd then everybody and there momma will get it, then they will nerf it and everyone will complain, I do agree with every race have'n their weapons and mass drivers as rifles reminds me off the gaylock lol I don't think that's really true. The RR does have range, but it's not completely OP (imbalanced at worst). I fight them often with a LR in a Scout suit; it's about using cover and fighting a tactical weapon tactically.
Yes, it's possible the Plasmathrower could be OP upon release; however, but the risk is no different than that of any other new weapon and there is no solid evidence proving that it absolutely will be OP upon release.
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Posted - 2014.01.07 15:49:00 -
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I do, I just don't run up and shot in the wide open with no cover, I've had stacked complex armor and eat through me in like 2 seconds, basic amarr proto medium
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Samuel Zelik
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Posted - 2014.01.07 15:57:00 -
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Big Swool wrote:I do, I just don't run up and shot in the wide open with no cover, I've had stacked complex armor and eat through me in like 2 seconds, basic amarr proto medium It's not enough to just do tactics; tactics should be caressed, like a graceful eagle gliding gently in the glistening, gilded breeze of the sun's glare (the eagle caresses the wind).
Nevertheless, I'm confused about what you're are trying to say. Could you please rephrase/clarify your concern?
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Soraya Xel wrote:I wouldn't class things like the mass driver as a rifle.
Laser Rifle has a near-sniper range, and in a world where each race has a high-range weapon, I expect lasers to be effectively an Amarr sniper rifle. So I'd imagine we'll eventually get long-range precision weapons for the Gallente and Minmatar as well.
Every race has an assault rifle, every race should get an AV weapon, if they don't have one, etc. I believe the popular concept is that the Mass Driver, Laser Rifle, Shotgun, and Sniper Rifle are the races' "specialist" weapons, as they cover the main weapon philosophies of the races.
Gallente - Extreme Short Range, High Damage Minmatar - Explosive, low tech (comparatively), gunpowder weapons Amarr - "Reach out and touch someone" range, laser tech Caldari - Extreme Long Range
However, things like the Minmatar Precision rifle, which is on the drawing board, seemingly infringe on this theory, as the Precision Rifle looks and sounds like it'll be some sort of sniper rifle, though likely shorter range. We'll have to see if that means things such as racial shotguns and grenade launchers come about because of this, or if the Precision rifle turns out to be something wholly different. Or maybe the Minmatar are just special.
However, on the note of "long-range precision weapons for the Gallente," I have to say that the long-range version of the Gallente's favored Blaster is the rail gun, so I don't think we'll see a unique gun for them, as it'd just be a reskinned rail gun.
In regards to AV, the Caldari have a near monopoly on it, owning 3 out of the 5 available choices: AV Grenades, Swarm Launchers, and Forge Guns. The Gallente have the Plasma Cannon, and the Minmatar have the mines/remote explosives.
@ OP, my response to your post is in my previous ramblings, but I'll TL;DR it here as well: I don't think these are needed at the moment because of the "specialist weapons" theory that I currently subscribe to, and I definitely don't think the Caldari need any more weapons. They certainly need more suits, but not more weapons, not now.
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Posted - 2014.01.07 16:11:00 -
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Ok whatever, I've already wrote it, it's no a concern just thought on what u wrote, that response was kinda woman like
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Arx Ardashir wrote:Soraya Xel wrote:I wouldn't class things like the mass driver as a rifle.
Laser Rifle has a near-sniper range, and in a world where each race has a high-range weapon, I expect lasers to be effectively an Amarr sniper rifle. So I'd imagine we'll eventually get long-range precision weapons for the Gallente and Minmatar as well.
Every race has an assault rifle, every race should get an AV weapon, if they don't have one, etc. I believe the popular concept is that the Mass Driver, Laser Rifle, Shotgun, and Sniper Rifle are the races' "specialist" weapons, as they cover the main weapon philosophies of the races. Gallente - Extreme Short Range, High Damage Minmatar - Explosive, low tech (comparatively), gunpowder weapons Amarr - "Reach out and touch someone" range, laser tech Caldari - Extreme Long Range However, things like the Minmatar Precision rifle, which is on the drawing board, seemingly infringe on this theory, as the Precision Rifle looks and sounds like it'll be some sort of sniper rifle, though likely shorter range. We'll have to see if that means things such as racial shotguns and grenade launchers come about because of this, or if the Precision rifle turns out to be something wholly different. Or maybe the Minmatar are just special. However, on the note of "long-range precision weapons for the Gallente," I have to say that the long-range version of the Gallente's favored Blaster is the rail gun, so I don't think we'll see a unique gun for them, as it'd just be a reskinned rail gun. In regards to AV, the Caldari have a near monopoly on it, owning 3 out of the 5 available choices: AV Grenades, Swarm Launchers, and Forge Guns. The Gallente have the Plasma Cannon, and the Minmatar have the mines/remote explosives. @ OP, my response to your post is in my previous ramblings, but I'll TL;DR it here as well: I don't think these are needed at the moment because of the "specialist weapons" theory that I currently subscribe to, and I definitely don't think the Caldari need any more weapons. They certainly need more suits, but not more weapons, not now.
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Posted - 2014.01.07 16:48:00 -
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I am all for the variety of weapons but the flamethrower idea that's been bouncing around for a while is not a good weapon in my opinion for the sole reason that they have been deemed of questionable effectiveness in modern combat and I have to agree with that.
While the concept of burning people from a distance sounds fun I can't see it taking off.
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Posted - 2014.01.07 16:50:00 -
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Arx Ardashir wrote: [...] Gallente - Extreme Short Range, High Damage Minmatar - Explosive, low tech (comparatively), gunpowder weapons Amarr - "Reach out and touch someone" range, laser tech Caldari - Extreme Long Range [...]
In terms of philosophies, I'd argue these are more appropriate. Gallente - Plasma (blaster), Drones; short range Minmatar - Projectile, Explosive; short-mid range Amarr - Scrambler/Laser; mid-long range Caldari - Plasma (rail), Missiles; long range The ranges are a result of the tech they use, not necessarily their primary objective; therefore, this philosophy reflects the result of using a specific tech and not the range as the primary goal of using the tech.
Arx Ardashir wrote: I believe the popular concept is that the Mass Driver, Laser Rifle, Shotgun, and Sniper Rifle are the races' "specialist" weapons, as they cover the main weapon philosophies of the races. [...]
The Mass Driver and Laser Rifle I agree with; however, the Shotgun and Sniper Rifle don't seem to fit as specialist weapons to me. The Mass Driver is unique because it is an explosive class weapon in contrast to the other other type the Minmatar use (projectile). The Laser Rifle is unique because of its continuous stream in contrast to the more common Scrambler.
More importantly, neither of these weapons really make any sense for another race to have a specialized variant of (Mass Driver is arguable). A continuous projectile stream, plasma stream, and rail stream aren't viable for the Minmatar, Gallente, and Caldari respectively; the weapons would not be effective and/or not be possible. The Mass Driver makes sense in the explosive type because of the increased blast radius benefits from the ammo-type, but plasma, plasma-rail, and laser could hardly have a comparable match.
However, both the Shotgun and Sniper Rifle aren't overly unique to an ammo-type, are more general weapons, and each race could easily replicate their own variants. All races could realistically makes a Shotgun or Sniper Rifle with their own preferred tech, but not all the races could make a Laser Rifle or Mass Driver effectively or at all with their own tech.
That being said, I think both the Plasma Ignitor and the the Accelerator Rifle fit this description; Minmatar aren't going to make a flamethrower out of bullets and bombs and Amarr aren't going to make missiles fly with laser beams.
Arx Ardashir wrote: However, things like the Minmatar Precision rifle, which is on the drawing board, seemingly infringe on this theory, as the Precision Rifle looks and sounds like it'll be some sort of sniper rifle, though likely shorter range. We'll have to see if that means things such as racial shotguns and grenade launchers come about because of this, or if the Precision rifle turns out to be something wholly different. Or maybe the Minmatar are just special.
However, on the note of "long-range precision weapons for the Gallente," I have to say that the long-range version of the Gallente's favored Blaster is the rail gun, so I don't think we'll see a unique gun for them, as it'd just be a reskinned rail gun.
In regards to AV, the Caldari have a near monopoly on it, owning 3 out of the 5 available choices: AV Grenades, Swarm Launchers, and Forge Guns. The Gallente have the Plasma Cannon, and the Minmatar have the mines/remote explosives.
@ OP, my response to your post is in my previous ramblings, but I'll TL;DR it here as well: I don't think these are needed at the moment because of the "specialist weapons" theory that I currently subscribe to, and I definitely don't think the Caldari need any more weapons. They certainly need more suits, but not more weapons, not now.
I think through various talking and sources (not sure where they are, but this is from what I've seen on the forum and heard in-game), the Precision Rifle will most certainly be the Minmatar sniper (if not in name, then in spirit). Because the Caldari uses the longest range tech (rail), their Sniper Rifle will be the furthest shooting sniper rifles. Despite the Precision Rifle having shorter range than the Sniper Rifle, this does not stop it from being the racial Sniper. This would fit the racial tiering of ranges as result of tech because the Minmatar weapons have a shorter comparable range to Caldari; thus, the Minmatar sniper would have a shorter range than Caldari sniper.
I do think we'll see a sniper variant for the Gallente. The Gallente favor rail tech over blaster; they work on two different systems and thus result in the range and performance difference. Just like the Minmatar Precision Rifle, the Gallente will have a sniper with a relatively shorter range than the other snipers, but it will still be a sniper. Think of the contrast between the normal sniper and the tactical sniper; this difference would be comparable to the difference between the Caldari and Gallente sniper respectively. The tactical fires faster, which alludes to Gallente blaster tech (since we don't have the other Sniper Rifles, yet). Comparably, similar patterns can be found with the current Shotguns.
I agree; Caldari has monopolized AV; however, comparing Swarms and the PC to proxies is like comparing apples to oranges. The Swarms and Plasma Cannon are primarily a light AV weapon, and the PC has some AI capabilities (hoping Swarms will get theirs returned soon). Proxies and Remotes are a piece of equipment, and are more of a passive equipment rather than an purely AV weapon (I'm highlighting the distinction between equipment and weapons here).
I'm not really sure how to TL;DR this, but basically I disagree and challenge your weapons-relations theory.
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Big Swool wrote:Ok whatever, I've already wrote it, it's no a concern just thought on what u wrote, that response was kinda woman like Ok.
Hecarim Van Hohen wrote: I am all for the variety of weapons but the flamethrower idea that's been bouncing around for a while is not a good weapon in my opinion for the sole reason that they have been deemed of questionable effectiveness in modern combat and I have to agree with that.
While the concept of burning people from a distance sounds fun I can't see it taking off.
The good thing is that this is futuristic combat and not modern combat. Who knows? In the future, the new fire could be plasma!
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Samuel Zelik wrote:TL;DR: Gallente should get a Light flamethrower, Caldari should get a Light missile launcher. Intro:I'm not sure if other people have noticed, but I really like what CCP has been doing with the feel of the Rifles and their "secondary" sisters. If you don't know what I mean, I'll break down how I view the rifles. The Minmatar possess the Combat Rifle as the primary infantry assault weapon, yet there is also the "secondary" Mass Driver (which for all intents and purposes, I'm considering a rifle; also, a weapon that now has been shifted into the support/suppression role). In addition, the Mass Driver is an explosive rifle in contrast to projectile. The Amarr possess the Scrambler Rifle as their primary infantry assault weapon, but they also have the Laser Rifle, which shares a similar role (although functionally different) to the Mass Driver, and thus acts a "secondary" rifle. Just like the Mass Driver, the LR contrasts its sibling by being a continuous laser rather than a scrambling laser. I view this as a pattern amongst the races, and I'm hoping the Gallente and Caldari will receive their "secondary" rifles (I don't consider the Plasma Cannon the Gallente's; it's more in line with the Swarm Launcher as a Light AV, although it can be effective against infantry). This being said, I'd like to bring to light my ideas for their secondary weapons. Gallente - Plasma Ignitor / PlasmathrowerI know this has been brought up before, so I won't elaborate too much. The weapon would be a flamethrower, but the plasma would be sticky and would continue to burn the enemy for a period of time after being exposed to the plasma. The period of burn after exposure would be some portion of how long the enemy remained in the AoE. So staying in the plasma for a second would result in little to no after-burn, but staying in the plasma for five seconds would result in direct damage from the plasma and also 1-2 seconds of residual burn damage. Although I'm not necessarily in favor of this, having the burn damage be piercing and applied directly to the armor might be an interesting concept. EDIT: I forgot to add this initially, but this weapon's max (hard-capped?) range would be about that of the AR's optimal range or somewhere between the CR and AR. The weapon would have a tighter spread (similar to the LR's stream) instead of having a wider spread and shorter range (like traditional flamethrowers). Caldari - Accelerator Rifle / Missile RifleI've not heard as much hype about this one, but honestly this would be a weapon I'd be most excited to see. Here is a video for reference of what I'm aiming at (note: It's the pink "handgun"; Bulldog Rocket Launching Rifle (RLR)). Instead of being in handgun form, the weapon would be in the form a pseudo-rifle. The weapon would be automatic and have about 4-8 missiles per clip. The weapon would be a long range weapon, have a slower RoF, and have long reload time. If you watched the entire video, you'll notice that the weapon performs well on stationary targets (it's EXTREMELY accurate), doing MASSIVE damage (generally one-shots or two-shots for heavy armor); however, with the least bit of movement, the rounds will miss and do an insignificant amount of splash damage in a small blast radius. Later in the video, the Magnaguard's Bulldog RLR is seen precisely hitting a small turret at longer-ish range, but enemies close by easily avoid the rifle. (I will also note that when using this weapon in SWB II, generally 1-2 shots at an enemy right next to the user will kill the user.) I understand the SWARMs could be modified to do something similar, but I'd much rather have this as a separate weapon. Conclusion:I'd really like to see at least the Caldari Missile Rifle come to fruition, but I'd also like to hear what people have to say about the "secondary" rifle thing and/or present some additional ideas. I'll keep this updated as I get good feedback.
Secondary of Caldari is the Sniper Rifle. "Sniper rifle" is not a class of diffrent wepaons. It's the Caldari specialiy. (Range) I don't think we are gonna have others sniper rifle by faction because sniper rifles ARE the Caldari secondary.
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Mordecai Sanguine wrote:Secondary of Caldari is the Sniper Rifle. "Sniper rifle" is not a class of diffrent wepaons. It's the Caldari specialiy. (Range) I don't think we are gonna have others sniper rifle by faction because sniper rifles ARE the Caldari secondary. I don't buy that for the reason stated somewhere in here.
I don't think the Sniper Rifle is the Caldari secondary because the other races could replicate the function (effectively) of the sniper using their tech. The Caldari couldn't make a Laser Rifle out of Rail tech without it being a huge waste of pretty much every conceivable resource. Thus, the Sniper Rifle's function doesn't make the Sniper Rifle overly unique to the Caldari and not something I'd consider a secondary weapon.
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Samuel Zelik wrote:Mordecai Sanguine wrote:Secondary of Caldari is the Sniper Rifle. "Sniper rifle" is not a class of diffrent wepaons. It's the Caldari specialiy. (Range) I don't think we are gonna have others sniper rifle by faction because sniper rifles ARE the Caldari secondary. I don't buy that for the reason stated somewhere in here. I don't think the Sniper Rifle is the Caldari secondary because the other races could replicate the function (effectively) of the sniper using their tech. The Caldari couldn't make a Laser Rifle out of Rail tech without it being a huge waste of pretty much every conceivable resource. Thus, the Sniper Rifle's function doesn't make the Sniper Rifle overly unique to the Caldari and not something I'd consider a secondary weapon.
Could be argued that the laser rifle is an Amarr sniper rifle, and not a "secondary rifle". The distinctions between many weapons are very unclear and maybe non-existent (I don't feel the laser rifle and mass driver are in the same general class), so I'm not really sure that this category really exists.
Sniper rifle probably is (FIX: accidentally typed "isn't" before) one since there will be a Minmatar precision rifle that looks like a sniper rifle; implies that the sniper rifle is a class of weapon (unknown if laser rifle fits in there or not). Mass driver might be part of an area-denial class, Gallente and Caldari can easily make something that falls in that class with missiles and balls of plasma, and the the Amarr could have a weapon releasing pulses of light in a cone (like the active scanner) that could fit as well.
As for the specific weapon ideas, I like them.
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Posted - 2014.01.07 18:27:00 -
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KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf wrote:
Could be argued that the laser rifle is an Amarr sniper rifle, and not a "secondary rifle". The distinctions between many weapons are very unclear and maybe non-existent (I don't feel the laser rifle and mass driver are in the same general class), so I'm not really sure that this category really exists.
Sniper rifle probably isn't one since there will be a Minmatar precision rifle that looks like a sniper rifle; implies that the sniper rifle is a class of weapon (unknown if laser rifle fits in there or not). Mass driver might be part of an area-denial class, Gallente and Caldari can easily make something that falls in that class with missiles and balls of plasma, and the the Amarr could have a weapon releasing pulses of light in a cone (like the active scanner) that could fit as well.
As for the specific weapon ideas, I like them.
I'm not seeing the Laser Rifle as the Amarr sniper because of the hard-cap and damage curve(think it would be better as a gaussian distribution of sorts); otherwise, I'd see it as arguable. The secondary rifle category may very well not exist, but I think having the category as a way to compare the other tech each race uses (like Minmatar projectile/explosive; Caldari Rail/Missile, etc.) will at least in some way be useful.
I can see where the Mass Driver wouldn't exactly fit this category, but I'm going to stick my original thoughts (for now) for the sake of preserving this idea.
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Soraya Xel
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Posted - 2014.01.07 18:32:00 -
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Samuel, the laser rifle was nerfed to crud, and that's why you might not be seeing it. It used to melt snipers from halfway across the map with ease.
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Samuel Zelik
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Posted - 2014.01.07 18:46:00 -
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Soraya Xel wrote:Samuel, the laser rifle was nerfed to crud, and that's why you might not be seeing it. It used to melt snipers from halfway across the map with ease. I only started using the LR after it was rebuffed from the original nerf hammer, so it's possible that's why I might not see it (still, it's not unusable in its current form). I think an asymmetrical gaussian distribution (here's a symmetrical one for reference) would be a better fit if it were a type of sniper (instead of the sharp drop off it has now (Credit to Aeon Amadi)).
I may have been unclear when I said hard-cap; I was referring to the sharp damage drop off after 80 meters.
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Fizzer94
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Posted - 2014.01.07 22:55:00 -
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Shotgun and Sniper Rifle. Done. /thread
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