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KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf
Dominion of the Supreme Emperor God-King KAGEHOSHI
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Posted - 2014.01.06 17:21:00 -
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I want to help recruit for Dust by writing blogs on gaming websites to tell people about why they should give it a chance (or a second chance), and give them he info they need to succeed, but I want to wait until the game is a a good state to do so.
Issues right now that makes me not want to advertise Dust:
PC lag makes it broken.
FW is not worth it, that can be easily fixed though.
Public contract ambush is broken (spawns have never worked well), seriously change it completely.
The only mode/contract combinations that truly work well is public contract skirmish and domination.
Complete lack of interesting game modes. No attack/defend, no modes with multiple stages, no PVE.
Matchmaking sucks, and not just at matching players by skill (leading to protostomping). I get thrown into battles with uneven teams, in fact I had 3 v 9, and a 4 v 2 battle earlier. I still get battles with a full team of friendlies, but 0 enemies. In both these sorts of cases, matchmaking does not add any new players even though its clearly needed. Matchmaking has no problem adding players to battles about to end. Why does matchmaking not add players to mostly empty battles, yet add players to battles about to end? I have even seen players joining in the VICTORY / DEFEAT screen.
Very poor NPE. There's the stomping on the newbs. No PVE. No combat tutorial to explain using equipment, quick-swapping weapons, calling in vehicles, how squad works, squad orders, hacking, etc. No explanation of the connections between EVE (like where and how you can get a strike from an EVE player). No marketplace tutorial. No LP/standing explanation in game. No listings of weapon types in the stats (rail, plasma, laser, projectile, explosive) and their effectiveness on shields and armor. Lack of militia weapons for players to try and make an informed decision before skilling into.
Texas blaster-tank massacre. While large blasters should be effective against infantry, they're too devastatingly powerful.
AV is largely worthless against tanks, and are useless against the majority of enemy infantry (unlike games like Battlefield where you don't have to make that sacrifice).
There is never any big exciting features that are in the game, all the big stuff is just Fanfest announced features that never come. Dust has nothing to make its combat gameplay particularly special.
Lack of basic social features. Knowing who's online or in a battle. Indicators of who is talking (speech bubbles over speaker's head in battle, and names listed on the side of the screen with speaker symbols) so you won't have to stare in the chat or memorize voices.
Suit and weapon balance issues (but every game has those)
Grind.
I like this game a lot despite all that, but I doubt whatever newbs I recruit will put up with it long enough to get hooked. The game's many problems make it never the right time to start recruiting new players because it seems like it will take years for these to be fixed, and for Dust to be at an acceptable state.
Gû¦Gû+Supreme emperor god-kingpÇÉKAGEH¦PSHIpÇæ// Lord of threads // Forum alt Gû¦Gû+
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DUST Fiend
OSG Planetary Operations
Covert Intervention
9685
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Posted - 2014.01.06 17:22:00 -
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That's exactly why I haven't turned on the recruitment machine yet.
If I'm going to recruit people, I want them to love the game, not hate it.
I'll wait.
You should also reformat this a bit
Assault Dropship Montage
Incubus Pilot, AV Specialist, Fat Scout DUST addict
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Reav Hannari
Red Rock Outriders
2366
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Posted - 2014.01.06 17:28:00 -
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CCP hasn't engaged the marketing machine either for the same reasons.
// Venge Captain // Matari Logistics / Scout / Pilot // @ReesNoturana
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jerrmy12 kahoalii
The Phoenix Federation
229
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Posted - 2014.01.06 17:32:00 -
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DUST Fiend wrote:That's exactly why I haven't turned on the recruitment machine yet.
If I'm going to recruit people, I want them to love the game, not hate it.
I'll wait.
You should also reformat this a bit
The sp requirement for all skills needs to be decreased, anything ovet 1 mil is way to ******* much
I use a tablet so beware of typos
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HowDidThatTaste
Ancient Exiles.
Renegade Alliance
4370
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Posted - 2014.01.06 17:37:00 -
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Relax guys it is still in beta.
Edit oh wait I was supposed to post this in the I remember when post.
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lordjanuz
Norwegian Dust514 Corporation
Top Men.
264
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Posted - 2014.01.06 17:38:00 -
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+1 totally agree with OP, I could probebly double our corp size in no time but they would also be gone in no time. I will get out agressiv when we get PVP and other gamemodes.
Right now is the time for making the fundation in corps and wait for the right time. |
Jackof All-Trades
The Southern Legion
The Umbra Combine
337
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Posted - 2014.01.06 17:45:00 -
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Agree with you as always, Kagehoshi
"Pulvis et umbra sums." We are but dust and shadow GÇò Horace, The Odes of Horace
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Omni-Specialist
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Onesimus Tarsus
752
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Posted - 2014.01.06 17:53:00 -
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Signed. Bumped. Delivered.
I got my hand around the pistol grip, and the safety's off.
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bolsh lee
Ahrendee Mercenaries
EoN.
817
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Posted - 2014.01.06 19:00:00 -
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Hey.... Just look on the bright side maybe in 5-10yrs we can say we love it....... |
Severance Pay
Krullefor Organization
Minmatar Republic
981
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Posted - 2014.01.06 19:04:00 -
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bolsh lee wrote:Hey.... Just look on the bright side maybe in 5-10yrs we can say we love it.......
EVE the third decade!
We few, we happy few, we band of brothers; For he to-day that sheds his blood with me
Shall be my brother
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We are 138
Subdreddit
Test Alliance Please Ignore
493
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Posted - 2014.01.06 19:43:00 -
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I brought six in all said and done. I am the only one still left and its been 7 days since I have logged. I will never leave but I am going into hibernation for a while. I will come back with every update just to see what's up. Until then I'm going to start paying Eve now that I have a computer worth running it. |
DeadlyAztec11
Ostrakon Agency
Gallente Federation
3121
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Posted - 2014.01.06 19:47:00 -
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I know bro, I ain't telling anyone about Dust. Keep it low-key
Something like love, something like hope. Something like beautiful, something I wrote GùòGÇ+Gå+
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DUST Fiend
OSG Planetary Operations
Covert Intervention
9690
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Posted - 2014.01.06 19:49:00 -
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DeadlyAztec11 wrote:I know bro, I ain't telling anyone about Dust. Keep it low-key
The few people I managed to get into the game completely hate it, and likely won't even come back once it's better. I feel that CCP marketing feels exactly the same, which is why there's virtually no DUST advertisement outside of PSHome
Assault Dropship Montage
Incubus Pilot, AV Specialist, Fat Scout DUST addict
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GET ATMESON
Dem Durrty Boyz
Renegade Alliance
203
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Posted - 2014.01.06 19:54:00 -
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Makes a great point. When you think dust is worth the time to recruit more players to the game ill do 110% of what I can to help you.
1.7 HMG hotfix works great. Now for more Heavy suits or guns soonGäó
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Shinobi MumyoSakanagare ZaShigurui
Intara Direct Action
Caldari State
304
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Posted - 2014.01.06 20:23:00 -
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I'm going to say this again , if he excepts it but " This is should be one of your CPM's people , get behind this man and trust it will be worth it ."
That is all . Have a great year folks .
Future Caldari Heavy so watch out for this Sumo Shinobi with a Caldari HMG .
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Hyborean Strain
Immortal Guides
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Posted - 2014.01.06 21:25:00 -
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I'm just finishing up my first month and I agree. This game is a beast; I mean a complete and total beast. If I wasn't from Eve and didn't see the big picture, there's no way I would have stuck through the protostomps and the grindfest. Luckily the community is pretty great despite the ragethreads. There are a lot of nice folks about if you look for them.
I have some friends who are very into FPS, but when they ask about it I just tell them it's still in beta and that I'll let them know when it's ready... I'd rather have them wait and like it, than jump in and hate it. Which they would. Immensely.
That said I do believe that it's going to be great game... someday. |
lordjanuz
Norwegian Dust514 Corporation
Top Men.
265
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Posted - 2014.01.06 21:35:00 -
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Hyborean Strain wrote:I'm just finishing up my first month and I agree. This game is a beast; I mean a complete and total beast. If I wasn't from Eve and didn't see the big picture, there's no way I would have stuck through the protostomps and the grindfest. Luckily the community is pretty great despite the ragethreads. There are a lot of nice folks about if you look for them.
I have some friends who are very into FPS, but when they ask about it I just tell them it's still in beta and that I'll let them know when it's ready... I'd rather have them wait and like it, than jump in and hate it. Which they would. Immensely.
That said I do believe that it's going to be great game... someday.
+1 amen |
Maciej Szambelan
Made in Poland...
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Posted - 2014.01.06 21:43:00 -
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I absolutely love it!! Have been playing for like a 2 months but that was love from the first sight!! Even when I was killed by much stronger players 10-20 times per game I didn't care, I wanted to become stronger and fight back! Dust is unique, it's not perfect but it's still best of its kind and if someone doesn't like it there's gotta be a problem with.him, not the game.. Lol.. I love it!! |
Prince Adidas
Horizons' Edge
22
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Posted - 2014.01.06 22:18:00 -
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jerrmy12 kahoalii wrote:DUST Fiend wrote:That's exactly why I haven't turned on the recruitment machine yet.
If I'm going to recruit people, I want them to love the game, not hate it.
I'll wait.
You should also reformat this a bit The sp requirement for all skills needs to be decreased, anything ovet 1 mil is way to ******* much
True that. I don't worry about those skills though. The highest SP I've ever spent on is Level 5 on the Amarr Heavy Dropsuit and that was around 985,000 SP.
Rookie With Little DUST Knowledge. Online Almost Everyday.
Prototype Heavy, Kaalakiota Rail Rifle
FCHW
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boba's fetta
Dead Man's Game
145
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Posted - 2014.01.06 22:38:00 -
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idid tell my friends about this. but i told them to make an account and let it sit to build up sp. |
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Vell0cet
SVER True Blood
Public Disorder.
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Posted - 2014.01.06 22:39:00 -
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If DUST can hang on for another 18 months of development I think it has a very bright future. Hopefully we'll see it on the PS4 by then with the Unreal 4 engine. We should have racial symmetry across all suits, vehicles and turrets by then, hopefully a kick ass story-based gameplay tutorial, most of the balancing issues resolved, the UI issues sorted, a meaningful connection to EVE and a lot more maps/sockets.
The core game design is unmatched by any other FPS. I love the skill system, the infinite fitting options, the risk vs. ISK mechanics. I like the tiered gear, and making choices about fitting cheaper suits vs. maxed out ones depending on the circumstances or how badly I want to get revenge on that motherf*cker who just killed me. Other games don't offer any of this, and it's why I keep logging in, and supporting the development with boosters.
I think the priority should be getting the game "out of beta" by the end of summer 2014. After that, CCP should make a major push to get it running on the PS4 by fanfest 2015.
Quick/Dirty Test Range Idea
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jerrmy12 kahoalii
The Phoenix Federation
229
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Posted - 2014.01.06 22:50:00 -
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Prince Adidas wrote:jerrmy12 kahoalii wrote:DUST Fiend wrote:That's exactly why I haven't turned on the recruitment machine yet.
If I'm going to recruit people, I want them to love the game, not hate it.
I'll wait.
You should also reformat this a bit The sp requirement for all skills needs to be decreased, anything ovet 1 mil is way to ******* much True that. I don't worry about those skills though. The highest SP I've ever spent on is Level 5 on the Amarr Heavy Dropsuit and that was around 985,000 SP.
that should be 500k, im tired of grinding, all day every day every week just to get ONE ******* thing.
if they dont reduce the grind new players will quit, and i will make sure they quit, i hate games which force you to grind for months JUST to be competitive
I use a tablet so beware of typos
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Rusty Shallows
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Posted - 2014.01.06 23:35:00 -
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KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf wrote:snipMatchmaking sucks, and not just at matching players by skill (leading to protostomping). I get thrown into battles with uneven teams, in fact I had 3 v 9, and a 4 v 2 battle earlier. I still get battles with a full team of friendlies, but 0 enemies. In both these sorts of cases, matchmaking does not add any new players even though its clearly needed. Matchmaking has no problem adding players to battles about to end. Why does matchmaking not add players to mostly empty battles, yet add players to battles about to end? I have even seen players joining in the VICTORY / DEFEAT screen.
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To give Devs credit they have been experimenting with improvements to pub Matchmaking. Since the only info we ever get is vague patch statements whatever those changes are we can only report when encountering problems. Last year some people were claiming to see less redlining. My unsubstantiated guess is the current problems are more a mix of the faster-deployment initiative and the exploitable Q-Sync bug.
If only they could make it easier to find a good-game in Dust. It reminds me of how much effort it is to get a GF (good fight) posting in Eve local chat.
KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf wrote: Grind.
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That monster can't be killed, it's a core feature. Greatly minimized when the game is enjoyable.
MCC Lounge Lizard
Forums > Game
Fix the game CCP
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Prince Adidas
Horizons' Edge
22
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Posted - 2014.01.06 23:48:00 -
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jerrmy12 kahoalii wrote:Prince Adidas wrote:jerrmy12 kahoalii wrote:DUST Fiend wrote:That's exactly why I haven't turned on the recruitment machine yet.
If I'm going to recruit people, I want them to love the game, not hate it.
I'll wait.
You should also reformat this a bit The sp requirement for all skills needs to be decreased, anything ovet 1 mil is way to ******* much True that. I don't worry about those skills though. The highest SP I've ever spent on is Level 5 on the Amarr Heavy Dropsuit and that was around 985,000 SP. that should be 500k, im tired of grinding, all day every day every week just to get ONE ******* thing. if they dont reduce the grind new players will quit, and i will make sure they quit, i hate games which force you to grind for months JUST to be competitive
Yeah, that's true. They should at least give us more SP in matches. Skirmish & Domination are like 20-30 minute matches and we only get 5K-6K SP off of that. There should be an increase.
Rookie With Little DUST Knowledge. Online Almost Everyday.
Prototype Heavy, Kaalakiota Rail Rifle
FCHW
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Joel II X
Dah Gods O Bacon
432
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Posted - 2014.01.06 23:53:00 -
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