DUST Search - [REQUEST] No Risk, No Isk

Demon Buddah wrote:

Michael Epic wrote:

Kigurosaka Laaksonen wrote:

This would make getting red-lined even more fun that it already is.

Well tanks who sit in the redline, snipers who sit on their redline....they're all cowards. This game should be built to make people suck it up and actually get involved in the battle. If you sit in the redline, you get no ISK. You have all of 60 seconds from deploying to get OUT of the redline before the no risk no isk detector kicks in and every second you sit in the redline you get no SP or ISK credit for the match (bc sometimes it takes vehicles a minute to deploy)

but no shooting, no nothing....seriously the level of cowards and pussies in this game is abhorrent man. Its the saddest sh!t I've ever seen in a video game....oh no wait scratch that, modded controller / keyboard users and lag switchers are the saddest of the sad.

But those are really just cowards and pussies too....cheaters = cowards and pussies

I don't see how a keyboard user is a ***** lol? At least they don't have aim assist (or as it used to be called aim bot). People who cry about keyboard and mouse users are just losers lolol. They actually have to aim rather than have a program aim for them. I use a controller don't get me wrong (with no aim assist mind you). Quit crying about that **** man, you only make yourself look like a noob. You have aim assist, they don't.

Now, about the redline. How about just remove it completely? Make it where you can only go so far on the map. OR like in Delta Force (if any of you remember that) the maps were infinite, snipers would run all the way out into nothing and snipe. Is that a ***** move? No, it's SNIPING. But you could still go out there and kill them if you could find them. Also, seeing as how most of Dusts maps are they wouldn't go very far because of the mountains. Plus, they wouldn't be able to do any good damage far out.

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Michael Epic The Neutral Zone 191	Posted - 2014.01.06 15:28:00 - [1] - Quote Dust 514 player Foxhound Elite made a point I really liked....so give him credit for this idea. Redline snipers, redline tankers, redline anything....make it impossible to shoot anything from the redline. No guns work, no vehicle weapons work, no nothing. I know you can do it too....because on one of the maps, the one where the big ladder is by where E would be and C is in the back...on that same map, in domination mode a turret sits over by the big yellow cat walk deal and if you swing the turret around and point it at the big yellow catwalk...you can't fire. So I know a fire restriction is possible and you should put it on the redline. Seriously though...no risk, no isk...we gotta keep people from playing this game like pussies.
Kigurosaka Laaksonen Isuuaya Tactical Caldari State 54	Posted - 2014.01.06 15:33:00 - [2] - Quote This would make getting red-lined even more fun that it already is.
Michael Epic The Neutral Zone 191	Posted - 2014.01.06 15:36:00 - [3] - Quote Kigurosaka Laaksonen wrote: This would make getting red-lined even more fun that it already is. Well tanks who sit in the redline, snipers who sit on their redline....they're all cowards. This game should be built to make people suck it up and actually get involved in the battle. If you sit in the redline, you get no ISK. You have all of 60 seconds from deploying to get OUT of the redline before the no risk no isk detector kicks in and every second you sit in the redline you get no SP or ISK credit for the match (bc sometimes it takes vehicles a minute to deploy) but no shooting, no nothing....seriously the level of cowards and pussies in this game is abhorrent man. Its the saddest sh!t I've ever seen in a video game....oh no wait scratch that, modded controller / keyboard users and lag switchers are the saddest of the sad. But those are really just cowards and pussies too....cheaters = cowards and pussies
Demon Buddah Corporate Disaster 143	Posted - 2014.01.06 15:57:00 - [4] - Quote Michael Epic wrote: Kigurosaka Laaksonen wrote: This would make getting red-lined even more fun that it already is. Well tanks who sit in the redline, snipers who sit on their redline....they're all cowards. This game should be built to make people suck it up and actually get involved in the battle. If you sit in the redline, you get no ISK. You have all of 60 seconds from deploying to get OUT of the redline before the no risk no isk detector kicks in and every second you sit in the redline you get no SP or ISK credit for the match (bc sometimes it takes vehicles a minute to deploy) but no shooting, no nothing....seriously the level of cowards and pussies in this game is abhorrent man. Its the saddest sh!t I've ever seen in a video game....oh no wait scratch that, modded controller / keyboard users and lag switchers are the saddest of the sad. But those are really just cowards and pussies too....cheaters = cowards and pussies I don't see how a keyboard user is a *** lol? At least they don't have aim assist (or as it used to be called aim bot). People who cry about keyboard and mouse users are just losers lolol. They actually have to aim rather than have a program aim for them. I use a controller don't get me wrong (with no aim assist mind you). Quit crying about that man, you only make yourself look like a noob. You have aim assist, they don't. Now, about the redline. How about just remove it completely? Make it where you can only go so far on the map. OR like in Delta Force (if any of you remember that) the maps were infinite, snipers would run all the way out into nothing and snipe. Is that a *** move? No, it's SNIPING. But you could still go out there and kill them if you could find them. Also, seeing as how most of Dusts maps are they wouldn't go very far because of the mountains. Plus, they wouldn't be able to do any good damage far out.
Michael Epic The Neutral Zone 191	Posted - 2014.01.06 16:03:00 - [5] - Quote Demon Buddah wrote: Michael Epic wrote: Kigurosaka Laaksonen wrote: This would make getting red-lined even more fun that it already is. Well tanks who sit in the redline, snipers who sit on their redline....they're all cowards. This game should be built to make people suck it up and actually get involved in the battle. If you sit in the redline, you get no ISK. You have all of 60 seconds from deploying to get OUT of the redline before the no risk no isk detector kicks in and every second you sit in the redline you get no SP or ISK credit for the match (bc sometimes it takes vehicles a minute to deploy) but no shooting, no nothing....seriously the level of cowards and pussies in this game is abhorrent man. Its the saddest sh!t I've ever seen in a video game....oh no wait scratch that, modded controller / keyboard users and lag switchers are the saddest of the sad. But those are really just cowards and pussies too....cheaters = cowards and pussies I don't see how a keyboard user is a *** lol? At least they don't have aim assist (or as it used to be called aim bot). People who cry about keyboard and mouse users are just losers lolol. They actually have to aim rather than have a program aim for them. I use a controller don't get me wrong (with no aim assist mind you). Quit crying about that man, you only make yourself look like a noob. You have aim assist, they don't. Now, about the redline. How about just remove it completely? Make it where you can only go so far on the map. OR like in Delta Force (if any of you remember that) the maps were infinite, snipers would run all the way out into nothing and snipe. Is that a *** move? No, it's SNIPING. But you could still go out there and kill them if you could find them. Also, seeing as how most of Dusts maps are they wouldn't go very far because of the mountains. Plus, they wouldn't be able to do any good damage far out. I said modded controllers / keyboards. MODDED KEYBOARDS MOTHERF!CKER, pay attention.
Jooki Chewaka Stalking Wolfpack 70	Posted - 2014.01.06 16:16:00 - [6] - Quote im okay with that, redline snipers are the most lame thing in the game, besides the protobears+aim assistance fags, but, if there is people sitting in the redline and you shot at them, will them take damage? See you from orbit
Soraya Xel The Corporate Raiders Top Men. 895	Posted - 2014.01.06 16:26:00 - [7] - Quote This comes from a very misunderstood view of redline snipers/tanks and what causes them to exist. Nobody should be punished for playing the game as it's designed to be played. I'd like to be your CPM1 candidate
Michael Epic The Neutral Zone 192	Posted - 2014.01.06 16:29:00 - [8] - Quote Soraya Xel wrote: This comes from a very misunderstood view of redline snipers/tanks and what causes them to exist. Nobody should be punished for playing the game as it's designed to be played. No one should be rewarded for playing this game like a coward or a pussie, either. No one should be rewarded in life for being a coward and a pussie
Soraya Xel The Corporate Raiders Top Men. 895	Posted - 2014.01.06 17:11:00 - [9] - Quote Michael Epic wrote: Soraya Xel wrote: This comes from a very misunderstood view of redline snipers/tanks and what causes them to exist. Nobody should be punished for playing the game as it's designed to be played. No one should be rewarded for playing this game like a coward or a pussie, either. No one should be rewarded in life for being a coward and a pussie Obviously, again, you misunderstand the role snipers play, and why they're located where they are. Also, apparently, you're very bad at killing stationary targets who have tunnel vision and aren't looking behind them or to the side. (Redline snipers are like free points for me, no effort, easy kills.) I'd like to be your CPM1 candidate
Michael Epic The Neutral Zone 192	Posted - 2014.01.06 17:29:00 - [10] - Quote Soraya Xel wrote: Michael Epic wrote: Soraya Xel wrote: This comes from a very misunderstood view of redline snipers/tanks and what causes them to exist. Nobody should be punished for playing the game as it's designed to be played. No one should be rewarded for playing this game like a coward or a pussie, either. No one should be rewarded in life for being a coward and a pussie Obviously, again, you misunderstand the role snipers play, and why they're located where they are. Also, apparently, you're very bad at killing stationary targets who have tunnel vision and aren't looking behind them or to the side. (Redline snipers are like free points for me, no effort, easy kills.) sighs You're obviously attempting to antagonize me. Look...I sniper hunt. As soon as they pop me...I call in an LAV, drive that ************ up a hill, sit behind it and pick redline snipers off with a thale. But I don't do it in the redline! Redline = PUSSIES. Its a cowardly b!tch ass move. I can be snuck up on...sometimes, that's fun to get nova knifed sitting behind an LAV. Actually, that's part of the fun to see how many snipers I can pick off before someone see's the LAV on the ridge and goes to investigate why its up there.

Soraya Xel The Corporate Raiders Top Men. 895	Posted - 2014.01.06 17:38:00 - [11] - Quote You need a Thale's to pick off snipers? An advanced tactical is more than adequate. Using a Thale's in a pub? That's far more offensive than redlining. You know what redline snipers are: Using the few available sniper spots CCP gives them. It's bad map design, it has nothing to do with cowardice. If that's the only spot you can get a good perch, heck yes, they're going to use it. I'd like to be your CPM1 candidate
Meee One Clones Of The Damned Zero-Day 88	Posted - 2014.01.06 18:24:00 - [12] - Quote Already suggested here: https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=1671710#post1671710 With redline farming penalties here: https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=1674950#post1674950 You have to stop the farming before you can stop the redline sniping/tanking. My what a big boy you are,insulting everyone who doesn't play like you think they should. I'm a logi and rep so that makes me a huge target and i have discovered a little secret to not get killed by redline sniping/tanking.....use cover! Amazing isn't it? The logic of 'if they have no open targets to hit,they aren't that troublesome'. Now i know this may come as a revelation to you but....you AREN'T supposed to be a one man army. If you redline farm YOU are the weak player for kicking an enemy when they are down. You want people to leave the redline? STOP FARMING IT! Redline activity is usually a last resort,you want a defenseless opponent you can easily farm.
Ulysses Knapse Knapse and Co. Mercenary Firm 1044	Posted - 2014.01.06 18:27:00 - [13] - Quote Michael Epic wrote: I said modded controllers / keyboards. MODDED KEYBOARDS MOTHERF!CKER, pay attention. Well, that was unneccesary. 1. "Modded controllers / keyboards" is rather ambiguous. You should have said "modded controllers / modded keyboards" or "modded controllers/keyboards" if you wanted to be specific about the keyboards. 2. Modded keyboards? I've never heard of such a thing. What's the difference between an immobile Minmatar ship and a pile of garbage? The pile of garbage is more lethal.
Soraya Xel The Corporate Raiders Top Men. 900	Posted - 2014.01.06 18:30:00 - [14] - Quote Who the heck mods keyboards? I'd like to be your CPM1 candidate
Draco Cerberus BurgezzE.T.F Public Disorder. 653	Posted - 2014.01.06 18:44:00 - [15] - Quote Michael Epic wrote: Dust 514 player Foxhound Elite made a point I really liked....so give him credit for this idea. Redline snipers, redline tankers, redline anything....make it impossible to shoot anything from the redline. No guns work, no vehicle weapons work, no nothing. I know you can do it too....because on one of the maps, the one where the big ladder is by where E would be and C is in the back...on that same map, in domination mode a turret sits over by the big yellow cat walk deal and if you swing the turret around and point it at the big yellow catwalk...you can't fire. So I know a fire restriction is possible and you should put it on the redline. Seriously though...no risk, no isk...we gotta keep people from playing this game like pussies. Redline implementation was started to give players somewhere to fight from when all other avenues were lost sir, changing this now after it has been set is most likely not going to happen, especially the reduction in WP for kills from the redline. I too will hunt snipers and have very few issues hunting them in their redline. Turning all weapons off in the redline is saying to the team stuck there that their asses are grass, may as well bend over. So as far as the overall request and "cowards", I think revisiting your idea and providing a better solution that potentially removes the need for a redline is a better answer. LogiGod earns his pips
Soraya Xel The Corporate Raiders Top Men. 900	Posted - 2014.01.06 18:47:00 - [16] - Quote The big issue is that snipers need decent positions inside the main game map, which they're pretty starved for. Great overlook positions need to exist inside the map, and then views from the redline need to be at least somewhat obscured. Rather than removing an important game mechanic, or crippling players already being beaten badly, the maps need to be adjusted to gently push people into playing where you want them to. I'd like to be your CPM1 candidate
Draco Cerberus BurgezzE.T.F Public Disorder. 653	Posted - 2014.01.06 18:47:00 - [17] - Quote Soraya Xel wrote: Who the heck mods keyboards? I think thats when you take all the keys off that aren't used for specific dust controls but I have no idea, repair computers for a living, and have never ever seen anything like this. LogiGod earns his pips
Michael Epic The Neutral Zone 193	Posted - 2014.01.06 21:03:00 - [18] - Quote Draco Cerberus wrote: Soraya Xel wrote: Who the heck mods keyboards? I think thats when you take all the keys off that aren't used for specific dust controls but I have no idea, repair computers for a living, and have never ever seen anything like this. Talk to a player named Emo Skellington, his buddy has one. Its ridiculous!
Draco Cerberus BurgezzE.T.F Public Disorder. 658	Posted - 2014.01.06 21:12:00 - [19] - Quote Michael Epic wrote: Draco Cerberus wrote: Soraya Xel wrote: Who the heck mods keyboards? I think thats when you take all the keys off that aren't used for specific dust controls but I have no idea, repair computers for a living, and have never ever seen anything like this. Talk to a player named Emo Skellington, his buddy has one. Its ridiculous! I think you are missing the point, it really doesn't matter. Programmable buttons for DS3 and Mouse, Kybd have been around for a long time, if you can't adapt you will die. I don't use them myself and see no cause for concern. It was a bigger concern pre-nerf for the Duvolle Tacticals than any other time in this game, and presented a serious issue. CCP has taken steps to curtail those issues already. LogiGod earns his pips
Michael Epic The Neutral Zone 194	Posted - 2014.01.06 21:14:00 - [20] - Quote Draco Cerberus wrote: Michael Epic wrote: Draco Cerberus wrote: Soraya Xel wrote: Who the heck mods keyboards? I think thats when you take all the keys off that aren't used for specific dust controls but I have no idea, repair computers for a living, and have never ever seen anything like this. Talk to a player named Emo Skellington, his buddy has one. Its ridiculous! I think you are missing the point, it really doesn't matter. Programmable buttons for DS3 and Mouse, Kybd have been around for a long time, if you can't adapt you will die. I don't use them myself and see no cause for concern. It was a bigger concern pre-nerf for the Duvolle Tacticals than any other time in this game, and presented a serious issue. CCP has taken steps to curtail those issues already. You are missing the point. Cheaters = b!tches. Pussies. Cowards. People who hide in the safety of the redline with a tank = b!tches. Pussies. Cowards.

Soraya Xel The Corporate Raiders Top Men. 916	Posted - 2014.01.06 21:15:00 - [21] - Quote Michael Epic wrote: You are missing the point. Cheaters = b!tches. Pussies. Cowards. People who hide in the safety of the redline with a tank = b!tches. Pussies. Cowards. Ah, now I understand your intelligent, logical argument. I am humbled by your intellect and maturity. I'd like to be your CPM1 candidate
Draco Cerberus BurgezzE.T.F Public Disorder. 659	Posted - 2014.01.06 21:21:00 - [22] - Quote Michael Epic wrote: You are missing the point. Cheaters = b!tches. Pussies. Cowards. People who hide in the safety of the redline with a tank = b!tches. Pussies. Cowards. No I don't think I am, you are claiming cheating where none is actually happening. Widen your mind to the possibility that these are viable game mechanics which I spent 2 years helping to test. Rail sniping from the redline is a viable tactic, don't like it? OB their tank. LogiGod earns his pips
Stephen Seneca Providence Guard Templis CALSF 40	Posted - 2014.01.06 23:12:00 - [23] - Quote If someone is in the redline and are able to shoot you, this means you are able to shoot them! If your team is crushing the oppinent and forcing them all to redline, be happy with the size of your E-peen. No one on the opponents team is confident enough to come out and brawl. You have essentially won already, why would anyone waste their isk and effort diving into a meat grinder. Be glad they redline instead of just leaving. Brush up your sniper skills, forge gun skills or rail tank sniping ability. Drive a DS with a scanner over them to light them up for your squad. Please just do something other than bitching about winning so hard. For the State! Keep your stick on the ice and get the pucks in deep, eh. Rail Rifles. All. The. Way!


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