DUST Search - Another call for Vehicle removal in Ambush

Fox Gaden wrote:

Jason Pearson wrote:

Fox Gaden wrote:

Just give me a little more time to skill up my Forge Gun and I will remove some vehicles from Ambush for you. Twisted

Seriously though, part of the problem is that the most popular Infantry AV weapon is way underpowered right now. A small buff to the Swarm Launcher would go a long way to balancing Vehicles and keep Infantry from feeling so helpless.

Buff missile damage by 30 = 250 damage per missile (down from 330 in 1.6)
Buff range by 25m = 200m range (down from 400 in 1.6)

These small buffs would get the Swarm Launcher a lot closer to being balanced. After seeing how that plays out we can determine if they need to be buffed any further.

No, my problem isn't that at all. My problem is that as a Tanker, I know how to play ambush with a crew of tankers so that you and your AV don't stand a chance. It won't be fixed by buffing AV unless it's to a point where it's OP as **** and fucks over every other gamemode. 6 tanks, sure I can take them on, 1v1 I'd kill them, problem is they will keep swapping out, they'll put their actives on, and then the first 3 will disappear, then the other 3 will come along with their actives up and will **** you some more, and then they'll go off and then next three will be back.

And it's not like you can go get a tank of your own either, because there's no where to run, you are ****** until the game is over and if you leave and try to find a new match? Congratulations, you're back in the same ambush as before.

If AV is balanced correctly it might take 3 AV to kill 1 tank, but it will only take 6 AV to kill 6 tanks due to focus fire.

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Jason Pearson 3792	Posted - 2014.01.06 04:29:00 - [1] - Quote It's so ******* boring. I like playing Infantry from time to time, I spawn in, select my fit and then I hear it, the RDVs bring forth hulking beasts of destruction. so I can't play as Infantry because the team will get stomped without me. Call in a rail, wait, destroy multiple tanks, recall. More RDVs, more tanks, call in wait, destroy another few tanks. Game ends and I haven't shot a single round from my rifle. It's getting a little ridiculous, Ambush isn't the place for tanks, I asked CCP Saberwing about removing them but he said he did not know for sure if anything would come from it, they'd rather look at balancing tanks instead. A foolish idea and an impossible thing to balance when you have a small map and a single rail can see everything. You cannot balance Ambush with Vehicles in it, it's all mostly open areas that tanks and Dropships can dominate in and once the team has its vehicles out there is no way to really stop them unless you focus multiple AV on them, and due to the fact it's such close proximity, you're going to get mowed down fast. I can hold my own in an Ambush, but it's not fun for either side, and if there aren't players like me on the team that isn't tank spamming, it's gonna be a whole two minutes of getting smashed. King of the Forums // Vehicle Specialist for Hire. You're a total git, Jason. - Kingbabar
BobThe 844-1 CakeMan Murder Cakes Of Doom 1418	Posted - 2014.01.06 04:32:00 - [2] - Quote i know. been having the same god damn problem. might as well be a tank only game mode. XD Main - BobThe843CakeMan Ringing for PC for a price, msg for details. Prices are based on who ur facing and how i feel.
CRYPT3C W0LF Krullefor Organization Minmatar Republic 135	Posted - 2014.01.06 04:33:00 - [3] - Quote CCP Troll wrote: No. I nom Nom on You :)
Dovallis Martan JenusKoll Osmon Surveillance Caldari State 441	Posted - 2014.01.06 04:42:00 - [4] - Quote You can balance vehicles in Ambush.... you just need cover.. lots of reasonable cover O.o Without that tanks should not be on the field at all. Tanks work in all other game modes because there is cover for infantry to hide behind and engage with a dance of death. Even Scouts can go toe-to-toe with tanks by weaving in and out of obstacles to pester or destroy them. So in short. 2 way exchanges are good. 1 way exchanges are bad. If you can read this, it means you are reading. Unless you are skimming
Ecub dunbar Death by Disassociation Legacy Rising 1	Posted - 2014.01.06 04:42:00 - [5] - Quote Maybe they can add a duplication of each game mode where vehicles are not allowed , so that people could do infantry vs infantry. While keeping the other game modes people could still call in vehicles and infantry can try to fight the vehicles. From a blueberry to a warrior, that's what everyone will be with enough training.
Altina McAlterson Pure Innocence. EoN. 744	Posted - 2014.01.06 04:44:00 - [6] - Quote Yea...just take them out of ambush. It's nothing but annoying. As much as I enjoy killing tanks sometimes I'd like to not have to mess with it. "STFU I'm awesome, all your points are invalid as I kill proto's all the time nubs." - Infinite Diversity IDIC
Ecub dunbar Death by Disassociation Legacy Rising 1	Posted - 2014.01.06 04:46:00 - [7] - Quote Altina McAlterson wrote: Yea...just take them out of ambush. It's nothing but annoying. As much as I enjoy killing tanks sometimes I'd like to not have to mess with it. Dont remove them just another game mode where no vehicles are allowed that way vehicle users can still enjoy ambush. From a blueberry to a warrior, that's what everyone will be with enough training.
Racro 01 Arifistan 501st Knights of Leanbox INTERGALACTIC WARPIGS 101	Posted - 2014.01.06 04:47:00 - [8] - Quote as a tanker i agree with this. i like runnign as infantry in ambush but when i want to have a go at my gun game and improve vechiles get deployed so in order to prevent team from being brutally murderd i basically ahve to stay in my proto tank all game. when this happens and my tema wins because the enemy teams stomp was beaten back they go on forums and compalina bout tanks when its thier fault i ahd to bring it out.
Altina McAlterson Pure Innocence. EoN. 744	Posted - 2014.01.06 04:49:00 - [9] - Quote Ecub dunbar wrote: Altina McAlterson wrote: Yea...just take them out of ambush. It's nothing but annoying. As much as I enjoy killing tanks sometimes I'd like to not have to mess with it. Dont remove them just another game mode where no vehicles are allowed that way vehicle users can still enjoy ambush. Only reason I'm against that would be who would play that other ambush? Would it still have a vehicle limit? What would the other players do if the limit was reached? I know what you're getting at and it's an idea I thought about a long time ago but in the end I realized it was pointless to mess with. Just allow them or don't, no need to split the matches. "STFU I'm awesome, all your points are invalid as I kill proto's all the time nubs." - Infinite Diversity IDIC
Jason Pearson 3799	Posted - 2014.01.07 15:34:00 - [10] - Quote Bump. Lots of 6 tank games today, much fun CCP, thanks. Useless (colourfulwordhere) King of the Forums // Vehicle Specialist for Hire. You're a total git, Jason. - Kingbabar

Fox Gaden Immortal Guides 2065	Posted - 2014.01.07 15:39:00 - [11] - Quote Just give me a little more time to skill up my Forge Gun and I will remove some vehicles from Ambush for you. Seriously though, part of the problem is that the most popular Infantry AV weapon is way underpowered right now. A small buff to the Swarm Launcher would go a long way to balancing Vehicles and keep Infantry from feeling so helpless. Buff missile damage by 30 = 250 damage per missile (down from 330 in 1.6) Buff range by 25m = 200m range (down from 400 in 1.6) These small buffs would get the Swarm Launcher a lot closer to being balanced. After seeing how that plays out we can determine if they need to be buffed any further. Hand/Eye coordination cannot be taught. For everything else, there is the Learning Coalition.
Jason Pearson 3799	Posted - 2014.01.07 15:42:00 - [12] - Quote Fox Gaden wrote: Just give me a little more time to skill up my Forge Gun and I will remove some vehicles from Ambush for you. Seriously though, part of the problem is that the most popular Infantry AV weapon is way underpowered right now. A small buff to the Swarm Launcher would go a long way to balancing Vehicles and keep Infantry from feeling so helpless. Buff missile damage by 30 = 250 damage per missile (down from 330 in 1.6) Buff range by 25m = 200m range (down from 400 in 1.6) These small buffs would get the Swarm Launcher a lot closer to being balanced. After seeing how that plays out we can determine if they need to be buffed any further. No, my problem isn't that at all. My problem is that as a Tanker, I know how to play ambush with a crew of tankers so that you and your AV don't stand a chance. It won't be fixed by buffing AV unless it's to a point where it's OP as ** and fucks over every other gamemode. 6 tanks, sure I can take them on, 1v1 I'd kill them, problem is they will keep swapping out, they'll put their actives on, and then the first 3 will disappear, then the other 3 will come along with their actives up and will you some more, and then they'll go off and then next three will be back. And it's not like you can go get a tank of your own either, because there's no where to run, you are **** until the game is over and if you leave and try to find a new match? Congratulations, you're back in the same ambush as before. King of the Forums // Vehicle Specialist for Hire. You're a total git, Jason. - Kingbabar
Amarrgheddon Warcaste 48	Posted - 2014.01.07 15:51:00 - [13] - Quote If only there was some type of weapon that CCP could implement that would destroy tanks. It seems then infantry would have a chance to defend themselves.
Soraya Xel The Corporate Raiders Top Men. 951	Posted - 2014.01.07 15:54:00 - [14] - Quote I really don't think "vehicles in ambush" are the problem outright. The problem is "vehicles are unbalanced, and the problems are particularly highlighted in ambush". I'd like to be your CPM1 candidate
Jason Pearson 3800	Posted - 2014.01.07 15:56:00 - [15] - Quote Amarrgheddon wrote: If only there was some type of weapon that CCP could implement that would destroy tanks. It seems then infantry would have a chance to defend themselves. Spare me your sarcasm and stop being a moron. In a 1v1 situation, I can kill the enemy tank just fine with a Forge or Swarms, however in the situation of 6 tanks on such a tiny map, coordinating is near impossible due to the fact you spawn and you die immediately. I shouldn't be able to roflstomp 6 tanks, that's a fact. Remove the Vehicles from what is pretty much a small TDM arena and just allow Infantry there. King of the Forums // Vehicle Specialist for Hire. You're a total git, Jason. - Kingbabar
Soraya Xel The Corporate Raiders Top Men. 951	Posted - 2014.01.07 16:00:00 - [16] - Quote Jason Pearson wrote: Soraya Xel wrote: I really don't think "vehicles in ambush" are the problem outright. The problem is "vehicles are unbalanced, and the problems are particularly highlighted in ambush". Disagree, like I said above, I can 1v1 tanks fine out of my tank, even 1v2ing tanks depending on their weapon and skill, but put 6 in a tiny map and you've got a serious problem, I just have to sit there watching the map until the game ends or the tankers were slow enough and I get kicked. Six tanks being possible on any map is a balance problem. Tanks being not AV-able by infantry is a problem. Tanks being nothing but solo gankmobiles is a problem. Vehicles in ambush, specifically, is not really a huge problem. I'd like to be your CPM1 candidate
Joel II X Dah Gods O Bacon 449	Posted - 2014.01.07 16:02:00 - [17] - Quote Fox Gaden wrote: Just give me a little more time to skill up my Forge Gun and I will remove some vehicles from Ambush for you. Seriously though, part of the problem is that the most popular Infantry AV weapon is way underpowered right now. A small buff to the Swarm Launcher would go a long way to balancing Vehicles and keep Infantry from feeling so helpless. Buff missile damage by 30 = 250 damage per missile (down from 330 in 1.6) Buff range by 25m = 200m range (down from 400 in 1.6) These small buffs would get the Swarm Launcher a lot closer to being balanced. After seeing how that plays out we can determine if they need to be buffed any further. I will like this post as many times as I need to. I've seen these exact words posted for too long to not be heard.
Fox Gaden Immortal Guides 2066	Posted - 2014.01.07 16:04:00 - [18] - Quote Jason Pearson wrote: Fox Gaden wrote: Just give me a little more time to skill up my Forge Gun and I will remove some vehicles from Ambush for you. Seriously though, part of the problem is that the most popular Infantry AV weapon is way underpowered right now. A small buff to the Swarm Launcher would go a long way to balancing Vehicles and keep Infantry from feeling so helpless. Buff missile damage by 30 = 250 damage per missile (down from 330 in 1.6) Buff range by 25m = 200m range (down from 400 in 1.6) These small buffs would get the Swarm Launcher a lot closer to being balanced. After seeing how that plays out we can determine if they need to be buffed any further. No, my problem isn't that at all. My problem is that as a Tanker, I know how to play ambush with a crew of tankers so that you and your AV don't stand a chance. It won't be fixed by buffing AV unless it's to a point where it's OP as ** and fucks over every other gamemode. 6 tanks, sure I can take them on, 1v1 I'd kill them, problem is they will keep swapping out, they'll put their actives on, and then the first 3 will disappear, then the other 3 will come along with their actives up and will you some more, and then they'll go off and then next three will be back. And it's not like you can go get a tank of your own either, because there's no where to run, you are **** until the game is over and if you leave and try to find a new match? Congratulations, you're back in the same ambush as before. If AV is balanced correctly it might take 3 AV to kill 1 tank, but it will only take 6 AV to kill 6 tanks due to focus fire. Hand/Eye coordination cannot be taught. For everything else, there is the Learning Coalition.
Soraya Xel The Corporate Raiders Top Men. 951	Posted - 2014.01.07 16:06:00 - [19] - Quote Fox Gaden wrote: If AV is balanced correctly it might take 3 AV to kill 1 tank, but it will only take 6 AV to kill 6 tanks due to focus fire. If AV is balanced, a single AV will take out a single tank driver. If AV is balanced, a three-man tank will need three AV to kill it. The problem with vehicles vs. AV right now, is the number of people needed to combat any given other set of people should be near parity, since we're limited to exactly 16 vs. 16 on each side. I'd like to be your CPM1 candidate
CLONE117 planetary retaliation organisation 556	Posted - 2014.01.07 16:06:00 - [20] - Quote the problem we used to have and still have with ambush. proto stomping... the new problem we have in which the old problem is afraid of... tank spamming... and my glass cannon is not op... even 3 std av nades can kill it because it has no tank abillity what so ever. it just has enough damage mods to take down a fully hardened gunlogi and maddrugar. although im forced to try and sneak around with it.... tank vs tank is more balanced even though std tanks have a massive 25% more slots and more pg/cpu than mlt tanks. so they have the a bigger advantage. i just dont get why ppl r crying over mlt tanks? u think those things r the problem? they r the weakest out there right now and majority of the ppl who pilot them suck at driving. av could use a little buffing in possibly swarm damage but that would be it. or we could kill the chicken moves some of these tanks pull.. they run away the sec hardeners start to go down. bring them down to 20% or have them slow the tanks down or immobilize them.

Jason Pearson 3803	Posted - 2014.01.07 16:07:00 - [21] - Quote Fox Gaden wrote: Jason Pearson wrote: Fox Gaden wrote: Just give me a little more time to skill up my Forge Gun and I will remove some vehicles from Ambush for you. Seriously though, part of the problem is that the most popular Infantry AV weapon is way underpowered right now. A small buff to the Swarm Launcher would go a long way to balancing Vehicles and keep Infantry from feeling so helpless. Buff missile damage by 30 = 250 damage per missile (down from 330 in 1.6) Buff range by 25m = 200m range (down from 400 in 1.6) These small buffs would get the Swarm Launcher a lot closer to being balanced. After seeing how that plays out we can determine if they need to be buffed any further. No, my problem isn't that at all. My problem is that as a Tanker, I know how to play ambush with a crew of tankers so that you and your AV don't stand a chance. It won't be fixed by buffing AV unless it's to a point where it's OP as ** and fucks over every other gamemode. 6 tanks, sure I can take them on, 1v1 I'd kill them, problem is they will keep swapping out, they'll put their actives on, and then the first 3 will disappear, then the other 3 will come along with their actives up and will you some more, and then they'll go off and then next three will be back. And it's not like you can go get a tank of your own either, because there's no where to run, you are ** until the game is over and if you leave and try to find a new match? Congratulations, you're back in the same ambush as before. If AV is balanced correctly it might take 3 AV to kill 1 tank, but it will only take 6 AV to kill 6 tanks due to focus fire. If that's your opinion of balance, then AV needs more nerfing, takes two AVers to focus fire and kill a single tank with ease. I don't believe there is a problem with AV vs Tanks, little tweaks can be made, my problem is Ambush, where you cannot coordinate because the moment you spawn you get **** by six tanks. King of the Forums // Vehicle Specialist for Hire. You're a total git, Jason. - Kingbabar
Jason Pearson 3803	Posted - 2014.01.07 16:09:00 - [22] - Quote Soraya Xel wrote: Fox Gaden wrote: If AV is balanced correctly it might take 3 AV to kill 1 tank, but it will only take 6 AV to kill 6 tanks due to focus fire. If AV is balanced, a single AV will take out a single tank driver. If AV is balanced, a three-man tank will need three AV to kill it. The problem with vehicles vs. AV right now, is the number of people needed to combat any given other set of people should be near parity, since we're limited to exactly 16 vs. 16 on each side. That's never going to happen, nobody wants that terrible idea implemented. It takes one person to not be a moron to kill a single tank, it takes more effort to kill six tanks, Ambush doesn't let you do that because of it being such a tiny map, with no place to go, no place to group up and attack the tanks, you're just lambs for the slaughter. King of the Forums // Vehicle Specialist for Hire. You're a total git, Jason. - Kingbabar
Takahiro Kashuken Red Star. EoN. 2161	Posted - 2014.01.07 16:10:00 - [23] - Quote Call for AV removal in Domination Its just annoying and i want it gone so i can run vehicles in peace and have tank vs tank battles Intelligence is OP
Jason Pearson 3803	Posted - 2014.01.07 16:11:00 - [24] - Quote Takahiro Kashuken wrote: Call for AV removal in Domination Its just annoying and i want it gone so i can run vehicles in peace and have tank vs tank battles Don't be a **** Taka. pls. King of the Forums // Vehicle Specialist for Hire. You're a total git, Jason. - Kingbabar
Takahiro Kashuken Red Star. EoN. 2161	Posted - 2014.01.07 16:12:00 - [25] - Quote Jason Pearson wrote: Takahiro Kashuken wrote: Call for AV removal in Domination Its just annoying and i want it gone so i can run vehicles in peace and have tank vs tank battles Don't be a **** Taka. pls. Your taking sand out of the sandbox We should have a vehicle only/AV free mode then as a consequence Intelligence is OP
KatanaPT Tech Guard RISE of LEGION 431	Posted - 2014.01.07 16:23:00 - [26] - Quote Holy Shi.t! Jason and i agree on something! The world is nigh! Altough tanks have broken ambush beyond belief, i think the blame relies on the maps themselves (and tank spammers), maybe close quarters battles inside a complex would be better suited to the ambush mode. That or new maps for infantry only ambushes/dominations Tech Guard Recruiting Spot
Jason Pearson 3803	Posted - 2014.01.07 16:28:00 - [27] - Quote Takahiro Kashuken wrote: Jason Pearson wrote: Takahiro Kashuken wrote: Call for AV removal in Domination Its just annoying and i want it gone so i can run vehicles in peace and have tank vs tank battles Don't be a ** Taka. pls. Your taking sand out of the sandbox We should have a vehicle only/AV free mode then as a consequence This isn't a sandbox Taka, give it up. It's a ** little FPS with no actual content and terribad gameplay, Tanks have broken Ambush so bad it's really sad. Every fair proposal made is met by your ridiculous and backwards logic and will only serve to get tanks nerfed to **. :) King of the Forums // Vehicle Specialist for Hire. You're a total git, Jason. - Kingbabar
Takahiro Kashuken Red Star. EoN. 2162	Posted - 2014.01.07 16:32:00 - [28] - Quote Jason Pearson wrote: Takahiro Kashuken wrote: Jason Pearson wrote: Takahiro Kashuken wrote: Call for AV removal in Domination Its just annoying and i want it gone so i can run vehicles in peace and have tank vs tank battles Don't be a ** Taka. pls. Your taking sand out of the sandbox We should have a vehicle only/AV free mode then as a consequence This isn't a sandbox Taka, give it up. It's a ** little FPS with no actual content and terribad gameplay, Tanks have broken Ambush so bad it's really sad. Every fair proposal made is met by your ridiculous and backwards logic and will only serve to get tanks nerfed to . :) Tanks will get nerfed to ** anyways most likely We have the blaster/railgun threads highlighted by CCP, you want the speed to be nerfed instead of EWAR and also want mods nerfed/restricted so i cant fit my tank how i want but i can my dropsuit, removal of tank in a mode but no addition of a vehicle mode to compensate, also infantry think we have too much ammo and recall is OP and in general mlt tanks are OP and are too hard to kill which will lead to proper tanks getting the boot etc etc etc Intelligence is OP
Jason Pearson 3803	Posted - 2014.01.07 16:40:00 - [29] - Quote Takahiro Kashuken wrote: Jason Pearson wrote: Takahiro Kashuken wrote: Jason Pearson wrote: Takahiro Kashuken wrote: Call for AV removal in Domination Its just annoying and i want it gone so i can run vehicles in peace and have tank vs tank battles Don't be a ** Taka. pls. Your taking sand out of the sandbox We should have a vehicle only/AV free mode then as a consequence This isn't a sandbox Taka, give it up. It's a ** little FPS with no actual content and terribad gameplay, Tanks have broken Ambush so bad it's really sad. Every fair proposal made is met by your ridiculous and backwards logic and will only serve to get tanks nerfed to . :) Tanks will get nerfed to anyways most likely We have the blaster/railgun threads highlighted by CCP, you want the speed to be nerfed instead of EWAR and also want mods nerfed/restricted so i cant fit my tank how i want but i can my dropsuit, removal of tank in a mode but no addition of a vehicle mode to compensate, also infantry think we have too much ammo and recall is OP and in general mlt tanks are OP and are too hard to kill which will lead to proper tanks getting the boot etc etc etc I wanted us to not be faster than LAVs, not a gigantic nerf, a slight one so LAVs could beat us, and I still want EWAR. Hardeners are ridiculous, but I don't want them nerfed, rather than have it required to have two to survive, make it so one is needed and the only one you can have so you can fit other things and continue making it interesting. We do have way too much ammo for the blaster, Missiles and Rails not so much. And the Recall along with swapping at a supply depot should require you out of combat (not being hit nor firing for let's say, 10 seconds.), You don't even play ***** Ambush -¼_-¼ I do, I try to play Infantry for a bit and am greeted by a 6 man tank squad, it's dumb. It's just boring now, If by some miracle you manage to take down the 6, they will spawn in more to take its place. In Skirmish and Domi, we're a lot more balanced, Tankers can call AT in the red line safely, and AVers can group together and have multiple spawns, whereas ambush, unless your team calls the 6 tanks in first, you're dead. King of the Forums // Vehicle Specialist for Hire. You're a total git, Jason. - Kingbabar
KatanaPT Tech Guard RISE of LEGION 431	Posted - 2014.01.07 16:50:00 - [30] - Quote @Takahiro, man have you even played ambush recently? Its getting ridiculous and driving new players out of the game, there is no way to run, no way to dodge, just leave the game. You spawn and theres 6 duna tanks on top of you, pow, you are dead, you spawn again in their firing range (due to again poor spawning mechanics) and pow you are dead again, and it doesnt matter if you come back in a organized av squad, once you spawn in that expensive ishukone proto heavy suit you are taken out again. Tech Guard Recruiting Spot

Valmorgan Aubaris Stellar and Orbital Strategic Services ACME Holding Conglomerate 127	Posted - 2014.01.07 16:53:00 - [31] - Quote Amarrgheddon wrote: If only there was some type of weapon that CCP could implement that would destroy tanks. It seems then infantry would have a chance to defend themselves. All infantry being able to carry an assortment of grenades might help. EVE alliance seeks mercs, join Stellar and Orbital Strategic Services today! Let's gank Scotty.
Amarrgheddon Warcaste 49	Posted - 2014.01.07 17:23:00 - [32] - Quote The number of times I have been killed by AV grenades since 1.7 came out is still 0.
Jason Pearson 3805	Posted - 2014.01.07 17:56:00 - [33] - Quote Amarrgheddon wrote: The number of times I have been killed by AV grenades since 1.7 came out is still 0. Mines at 3, due to it being support AV, not soloallthethings AV King of the Forums // Vehicle Specialist for Hire. You're a total git, Jason. - Kingbabar
Cody Sietz Bullet Cluster Legacy Rising 1890	Posted - 2014.01.07 18:00:00 - [34] - Quote Jason Pearson wrote: Bump. Lots of 6 tank games today, much fun CCP, thanks. Useless (colourfulwordhere) Same 6 guys xD Just tank, after tank. "I do agree with you there though. shudders" -Arkena Wyrnspire
Leadfoot10 Molon Labe. Public Disorder. 188	Posted - 2014.01.07 18:15:00 - [35] - Quote Leadfoot approves this message. Liked.


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