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Righteous Rage
BIG BAD W0LVES
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Posted - 2014.01.03 22:48:00 -
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It is really a nifty suit. I have a few things that come to mind though.
Its a heavy suit that sacrifices armor and shields to carry a second primary weapon. How come it cannot still carry a heavy weapon? I have a feeling people will say it has equipment slot. I say it sacrifices grenades for that.
The black eagle carries 2 light weapons without sacrificing armor. It has grenades but no equipment slot. fair trade. People will say but black eagle sacrifices 2 lows. well damn it, the commando sacs 2 lows and a high. I know there is math in there somewhere. it doesn't add up.
The commando is a heavy suit and severely gimped on slots. let it have a heavy weapon as a primary and a light as a side arm. it would be much more useful.
"Catapultam habeo. Nisi pecuniam omnem mihi dabis ad caput tuum saxum immane mittam."
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Llast 326
An Arkhos
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Posted - 2014.01.03 22:53:00 -
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Righteous Rage wrote:
The black eagle carries 2 light weapons without sacrificing armor. It has grenades but no equipment slot. fair trade. People will say but black eagle sacrifices 2 lows. well damn it, the commando sacs 2 lows and a high. I know there is math in there somewhere. it doesn't add up.
Amarr suits are always one slot lower than others, this is why the Black Eagle has one more slot than the Commando in the sacrifice equation.
KRRROOOOOOM
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Leadfoot10
Molon Labe.
Public Disorder.
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Posted - 2014.01.03 22:56:00 -
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Although I think heavies are quite nicely balanced overall, I'd like to see the the racial variant heavies, and the OP makes a good argument for one way to structure them. Well said. |
Righteous Rage
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Posted - 2014.01.03 22:57:00 -
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Llast 326 wrote:Righteous Rage wrote:
The black eagle carries 2 light weapons without sacrificing armor. It has grenades but no equipment slot. fair trade. People will say but black eagle sacrifices 2 lows. well damn it, the commando sacs 2 lows and a high. I know there is math in there somewhere. it doesn't add up.
Amarr suits are always one slot lower than others, this is why the Black Eagle has one more slot than the Commando in the sacrifice equation.
You cant even use its suit bonus until the advanced level. they also cost more than other suits. plus as I mentioned before it sacrifices armor and shields, why the slots?
"Catapultam habeo. Nisi pecuniam omnem mihi dabis ad caput tuum saxum immane mittam."
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Smooth Assassin
Stardust Incorporation
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Posted - 2014.01.03 23:02:00 -
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You have no right for bringing a scout suit into this nor even compare.
Assassination is my thing.
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Takron Nistrom
Tinfoil Hatz
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Posted - 2014.01.03 23:09:00 -
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Im not gonna talk about slots until all the suits are released because amarr usually have less slots but more fitting to facilitate better equipment, but I would like to see the shield regen bumped to 20hp because the shield regen is so low it might as well be armor.
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Righteous Rage
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Posted - 2014.01.03 23:10:00 -
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Smooth Assassin wrote:You have no right for bringing a scout suit into this nor even compare.
Its not about who can generate the most pity. It is a fair comparison because they are similar in weapon loadout. the heavy suit should be able to carry more fire power. I am not being unreasonable. If I wanted to highlight the scouts other bonuses I would mention hit box, profile, and speed. but they belong to the scout. heavy weaponry belongs to the heavy. lets just focus on the things they have in common. they should both be able to perform their role.
"Catapultam habeo. Nisi pecuniam omnem mihi dabis ad caput tuum saxum immane mittam."
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Righteous Rage
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Posted - 2014.01.03 23:15:00 -
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Takron Nistrom wrote:Im not gonna talk about slots until all the suits are released because amarr usually have less slots but more fitting to facilitate better equipment, but I would like to see the shield regen bumped to 20hp because the shield regen is so low it might as well be armor.
the slots are brought up to explain away the reason the heavy suit loses the ability to carry the weapons it was design to carry. Perhaps bit should be addressed that the bonus applies to modules that cant be accessed on the standard suit. no other race gets so specific of handi caps or bonuses. off topic for now.
"Catapultam habeo. Nisi pecuniam omnem mihi dabis ad caput tuum saxum immane mittam."
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Llast 326
An Arkhos
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Posted - 2014.01.03 23:17:00 -
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Righteous Rage wrote:Llast 326 wrote:Righteous Rage wrote:
The black eagle carries 2 light weapons without sacrificing armor. It has grenades but no equipment slot. fair trade. People will say but black eagle sacrifices 2 lows. well damn it, the commando sacs 2 lows and a high. I know there is math in there somewhere. it doesn't add up.
Amarr suits are always one slot lower than others, this is why the Black Eagle has one more slot than the Commando in the sacrifice equation. You cant even use its suit bonus until the advanced level. they also cost more than other suits. plus as I mentioned before it sacrifices armor and shields, why the slots?
I know, it's actually ridiculous. The slot layout on anything but Medium suits are a bit off. In my opinion slot count should be a bit more even than it is now (I am a scout and our count sucks too, the Amarr scout will be gimped) The other Factional Commando's will be a bit more usable, but I would love to see an extra slot on the Light and Heavy suits. Not sure if the Sentinel needs it, like I said I run scout. Recognizing that the Commando needs another slot seems pretty obvious though even without using it.
KRRROOOOOOM
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Lynn Beck
Granite Mercenary Division
Top Men.
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Posted - 2014.01.03 23:18:00 -
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The comando needs 1 extra low slot, and a BASE 15 shield regen.
In terms of Slots though, it's a ****** compromise. Scouts shouldn't inherently hae less slots and neither should Commandos.
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Officially nerfproof (predicting CR nerf February '14)
I have a God, His name is Dakka.
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Righteous Rage
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Posted - 2014.01.03 23:27:00 -
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I have to run. I will be back on here tomorrow. I get to forum at work. Take it easy Dusties. Im going home
"Catapultam habeo. Nisi pecuniam omnem mihi dabis ad caput tuum saxum immane mittam."
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Repe Susi
Rautaleijona
Top Men.
869
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Posted - 2014.01.04 09:07:00 -
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I'd imagine Commando suit at higher levels (proto) would be the ultimate tank-buster.
Plasma Cannon and Swarm launcher anybody?
Still, can't really say anything about the suit because I honestly haven't even glanced at the stats after it was introduced.
Smeehf.
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Kasote Denzara
A Vulture
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Posted - 2014.01.04 09:16:00 -
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The Amarrian Commando is perfect as it is, though I do digress that it makes not much sense that, since it is Amarrian, has equal shields and armor. Should have more armor with less shields, I say.
Let's talk about slots and other things.
The Gallente's Commando will have a low, Caldari's will have a high. This is following the trend of their faction and suits. Minmatar will mimic the Amarrian suit, though the opposite in terms of speed and health. Amarr boast having the higher base health, but slower speeds and less slots. Caldari boasts shields. Gallente boasts armor. Minmatar boasts versatility and speed.
Minmatar's Commando will be the fastest heavy suit in the game, which is frightening considering the melee prowess of the Commando.
The Commando suit is perfection as it is. Use the A-I and learn how to survive without dependency to your damage modifiers and plates. You'll become better than you were, or you will fail to get better and return to other module dependent suits. Ask any Commando runner out there about how ALL the Commando suits are the most threatening suit to encounter.
You run into me, I'll pop you even if you dual tank. After all, I dual gank.
Long live the Commando!
"Go ahead and dual tank. My Commando dual ganks." -Kasote Denzara
Use the Commando A-I suit and show your worth.
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Vermaak 'Fatal' Kuvakei
Storm Wind Strikeforce
Caldari State
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Posted - 2014.01.04 09:37:00 -
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Why do amarr suits have one less slot? Are we too sexy to have the same as everyone else? |
Marston VC
SVER True Blood
Public Disorder.
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Posted - 2014.01.04 10:52:00 -
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Righteous Rage wrote:It is really a nifty suit. I have a few things that come to mind though.
Its a heavy suit that sacrifices armor and shields to carry a second primary weapon. How come it cannot still carry a heavy weapon? I have a feeling people will say it has equipment slot. I say it sacrifices grenades for that.
The black eagle carries 2 light weapons without sacrificing armor. It has grenades but no equipment slot. fair trade. People will say but black eagle sacrifices 2 lows. well damn it, the commando sacs 2 lows and a high. I know there is math in there somewhere. it doesn't add up.
The commando is a heavy suit and severely gimped on slots. let it have a heavy weapon as a primary and a light as a side arm. it would be much more useful.
Because heavy weapons are heavy 
Marston VC, STB Director
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Kierkegaard Soren
Forsaken Immortals
Top Men.
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Posted - 2014.01.04 11:26:00 -
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For a specialised suit it makes zero sense to deny the standard level drop suit access to its racial ability. The slot layout for an Amarr commando should be:
0/1 standard
1/2 advanced
2/2 prototype
In truth, the idea behind slot limitation is that it forces the commando to rely entirely on its weapon load out to succeed; it's why the racial bonus gives a bonus to any defensive modules it does to choose fit, so you're getting a bit more bang to your buck. A possible way to make the suit more competitive (it really hurts not having those damage mods within the current meta game) would be to really ramp up that bonus, maybe even to something crazy like 8% per level. So at prof 5 in all relevant skills, that single repper on the advanced suit is working at +50% efficiency. Fitting a single plate or shield extender would no longer be an excessive in laughable futility, either.
It's a hard suit to balance. Go too far and it will go OP. As it is currently, however, it's just not bold enough to really take off.
Dedicated Commando.
So it's a good job KDR doesn't bother me, really.
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Righteous Rage
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Posted - 2014.01.04 14:21:00 -
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Marston VC wrote:Righteous Rage wrote:It is really a nifty suit. I have a few things that come to mind though.
Its a heavy suit that sacrifices armor and shields to carry a second primary weapon. How come it cannot still carry a heavy weapon? I have a feeling people will say it has equipment slot. I say it sacrifices grenades for that.
The black eagle carries 2 light weapons without sacrificing armor. It has grenades but no equipment slot. fair trade. People will say but black eagle sacrifices 2 lows. well damn it, the commando sacs 2 lows and a high. I know there is math in there somewhere. it doesn't add up.
The commando is a heavy suit and severely gimped on slots. let it have a heavy weapon as a primary and a light as a side arm. it would be much more useful. Because heavy weapons are heavy
Did you reach that conclusion all by yourself?
"Catapultam habeo. Nisi pecuniam omnem mihi dabis ad caput tuum saxum immane mittam."
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Cody Sietz
Bullet Cluster
Legacy Rising
1866
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Posted - 2014.01.04 14:37:00 -
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*sneak up on heavy sniper* Aha! *whips out HMG*...oh ho..
Works with FG and CR/AR as well.
"I do agree with you there though. shudders"
-Arkena Wyrnspire
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