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Timtron Victory
Tech Guard
RISE of LEGION
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Posted - 2013.12.31 04:46:00 -
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I really dont get it so someone should enlighten me.
Its like having an invincible infantry suit in which your weapons do no damage for a period of time.
That doesnt seem realistic. This is not a game for toddlers |
Sgt Kirk
Namtar Elite
Gallente Federation
3900
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Posted - 2013.12.31 04:47:00 -
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But it is being made for generic fps players.
Same thing as toddlers. |
knight of 6
SVER True Blood
Public Disorder.
929
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Posted - 2013.12.31 04:50:00 -
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shield tanks are pathetic without hardeners... like easier to fill than my scout
"God favors the side with the best artillery" ~ Napoleon
Ko6, scout, tanker.
CLOSED BETA VET
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Taurion Bruni
D3M3NT3D M1NDZ
The Umbra Combine
210
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Posted - 2013.12.31 04:53:00 -
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Timtron Victory wrote:I really dont get it so someone should enlighten me.
Its like having an invincible infantry suit in which your weapons do no damage for a period of time.
That doesnt seem realistic. This is not a game for toddlers
without hardeners, one infantry av player can easily kill you in a matter of seconds, with it, it takes a team / skilled player/ vehicle to take you on. mind you that killing a tank requires mind games, and making the tanker think that he is safe, just to deliver the killing blow.
Pilot // Logistics
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Timtron Victory
Tech Guard
RISE of LEGION
5
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Posted - 2013.12.31 05:34:00 -
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Taurion Bruni wrote:Timtron Victory wrote:I really dont get it so someone should enlighten me.
Its like having an invincible infantry suit in which your weapons do no damage for a period of time.
That doesnt seem realistic. This is not a game for toddlers without hardeners, one infantry av player can easily kill you in a matter of seconds, with it, it takes a team / skilled player/ vehicle to take you on. mind you that killing a tank requires mind games, and making the tanker think that he is safe, just to deliver the killing blow.
Wont that be solved by giving the tanks ridiculously more health?
It just seems fake that you pump ammunition at something and nothing is happening |
Cat Merc
Ahrendee Mercenaries
EoN.
5202
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Posted - 2013.12.31 05:38:00 -
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You know, with how strong tanks are even without hardeners, I wonder how well the game would balance if you removed them for a week lawl
Shield regeneration bonus for Gallente Assault is about as useful as Sharpshooter for Nova Knives.
Tuna > Tacos
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Borne Velvalor
Endless Hatred
1858
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Posted - 2013.12.31 05:41:00 -
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I'd just run a Madrugar with triple reps and my Gunnlogi would become a glass cannon for AV now that hardeners are gone for both me and the enemy. Infantry would be just as screwed by rep Madrugars, although alpha from Forge Guns and Explosives would pop them more easily.
Many suits I've worn, many burdens I've borne, for the oaths I've sworn.
Panda.
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Timtron Victory
Tech Guard
RISE of LEGION
5
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Posted - 2013.12.31 05:48:00 -
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Borne Velvalor wrote:I'd just run a Madrugar with triple reps and my Gunnlogi would become a glass cannon for AV now that hardeners are gone for both me and the enemy. Infantry would be just as screwed by rep Madrugars, although alpha from Forge Guns and Explosives would pop them more easily.
I was fed up with the tank spam and used a soma, It only had rep. I destroyed another tank without much effort. He definitely did not have hardeners but it had more armor and shield just no rep mods.
I will not mind rep in madrugars but weapons doing nothing is just plain fake.
Even with a bullet proof suit bullets still hurt.
I get that AR are not supposed to hurt tanks but when SL dont do anything with hardners on, its just weird |
Supernus Gigas
Star Giants
23
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Posted - 2013.12.31 05:49:00 -
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Taurion Bruni wrote:Timtron Victory wrote:I really dont get it so someone should enlighten me.
Its like having an invincible infantry suit in which your weapons do no damage for a period of time.
That doesnt seem realistic. This is not a game for toddlers without hardeners, one infantry av player can easily kill you in a matter of seconds, with it, it takes a team / skilled player/ vehicle to take you on. mind you that killing a tank requires mind games, and making the tanker think that he is safe, just to deliver the killing blow.
I don't agree with the "Teamwork" argument. Why should infantry have to use teamwork to destroy an HAV? An HAV doesn't have to use teamwork to kill anything and can actually wreck face running solo. I'm sure I have some bias, but as a solo Forgegun Heavy, HAVs are a tad ridiculous, especially with the nerf CCP gave Forgeguns in 1.7.
Just you wait. One day, all will fall to their knees before the fatty overlords.
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Amarrgheddon
Warcaste
7
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Posted - 2013.12.31 05:54:00 -
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Does shield come back without modules? |
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Borne Velvalor
Endless Hatred
1858
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Posted - 2013.12.31 05:54:00 -
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Timtron Victory wrote:Borne Velvalor wrote:I'd just run a Madrugar with triple reps and my Gunnlogi would become a glass cannon for AV now that hardeners are gone for both me and the enemy. Infantry would be just as screwed by rep Madrugars, although alpha from Forge Guns and Explosives would pop them more easily. I was fed up with the tank spam and used a soma, It only had rep. I destroyed another tank without much effort. He definitely did not have hardeners but it had more armor and shield just no rep mods. I will not mind rep in madrugars but weapons doing nothing is just plain fake. Even with a bullet proof suit bullets still hurt. I get that AR are not supposed to hurt tanks but when SL dont do anything with hardners on, its just weird
Well, swarms deal damage, it's just healed quickly since the hardeners minimize it. Try a bullet proof suit that automatically repairs itself after every bullet, 100 times the size wrapping the owner up, nice and toasty like. 
Many suits I've worn, many burdens I've borne, for the oaths I've sworn.
Panda.
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Borne Velvalor
Endless Hatred
1858
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Posted - 2013.12.31 05:55:00 -
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Amarrgheddon wrote:Does shield come back without modules?
Without hardeners, you take enough damage to stop the regen. At this point, your abysmal HP gets you killed in seconds to most tanks, or a handful of swarms and forges.
Many suits I've worn, many burdens I've borne, for the oaths I've sworn.
Panda.
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Kigurosaka Laaksonen
Isuuaya Tactical
Caldari State
40
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Posted - 2013.12.31 05:56:00 -
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To bend you over and let you have it. |
Justice Prevails
155
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Posted - 2013.12.31 06:06:00 -
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How about this? Tank loses offensive capability when hardeners are on. Like a turtle in its shell.
Great job, team. Head back to the MCC for debriefing and cocktails.
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Shinobi MumyoSakanagare ZaShigurui
Intara Direct Action
Caldari State
259
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Posted - 2013.12.31 06:15:00 -
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You know that tanks still take on damage while hardeners are on . It's just not as much but they still do depending on the repeat amount of damage administered and if you can time their beginning of their cool down just right you might just do that much more damage to it .
Stop complaining people , these tanks are not unbeatable . They are boring to use but are not unstoppable .
It's a great thing that you have to use your brains and also team work to destroy a tank . It make much more since now than before when they cost more and you had many more options as far as fitting selections .
Ah ...  the good ole days , when you could make one tank into five different variants . 
" BANE " of ALL vehicle users , Crush , Kill and Destroy ALL vehicles !!!!!
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Mobius Wyvern
Ahrendee Mercenaries
EoN.
4322
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Posted - 2013.12.31 06:17:00 -
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Timtron Victory wrote:I really dont get it so someone should enlighten me.
Its like having an invincible infantry suit in which your weapons do no damage for a period of time.
That doesnt seem realistic. This is not a game for toddlers
Because they evaporate without them unless they're armor tanks stacking repairers.
The current vehicle mechanics are built entirely around Hardeners.
Amidst the blue skies
A link from past to future
The sheltering wings of the protector
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Lynn Beck
Granite Mercenary Division
Top Men.
440
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Posted - 2013.12.31 06:19:00 -
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Funny, today i killed 4-5 tanks solo using a guristas LAV and a grimlock FG, 1 was a triple repper tank.
Took a gunny out using my PLC, albeit he was trapped against a light pole.
Under 28db
Officially nerfproof (predicting CR nerf February '14)
I have a God, His name is Dakka.
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Jason Pearson
3706
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Posted - 2013.12.31 06:40:00 -
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A lot of you seem to be missing the point of hardeners.
A HAV is meant to push up and assault strong points alongside Infantry, the hardener is meant to last for an amount of time and then once run out, make them vulnerable. People say "Tanks are strong even with hardeners" and I call them bullshitters, I even yelled at Cat Merc for it. Problem is players have found ways around the limited amount of time to attack by using multiple hardeners, it's also difficult for AV to get at the window of opportunity they deserve without Webifiers.
King of the Forums // Vehicle Specialist for Hire.
Zaria for Miss Universe 2014
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Charlotte O'Dell
Fatal Absolution
1337
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Posted - 2013.12.31 07:03:00 -
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Cat Merc wrote:You know, with how strong tanks are even without hardeners, I wonder how well the game would balance if you removed them for a week lawl
what game are you playing? I got caught without my hardeners on by a guy with pro to swarms and hades in a GUNLOGI and he soloed me in a few seconds. |
KenKaniff69
Fatal Absolution
1708
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Posted - 2013.12.31 07:08:00 -
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The concept of hardeners relies on damage reduction. Think about it like this. You have a box and are trying to fill it with individual cubes. Your reduction reduces the volume of each cube you are trying to fit in the box, therefor allowing more cubes in the box. Hence, fitting more swarm volleys into the same amount of shield or armor. The actual amount of shield or armor never changes, only the amount of damage done.
So about those vehicle locks...
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One Eyed King
Eyniletti Rangers
Minmatar Republic
111
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Posted - 2013.12.31 07:09:00 -
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Because they have poor blood flow due to years of eating poorly and not exercising. However, if the hardener works for 4 straight hours, they have to go to the ER, so its not all coming up roses.
Nova knifing scout masochist. I would be a sadist, but CCP won't let me.
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Taurion Bruni
D3M3NT3D M1NDZ
The Umbra Combine
211
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Posted - 2013.12.31 15:42:00 -
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Timtron Victory wrote:Taurion Bruni wrote:Timtron Victory wrote:I really dont get it so someone should enlighten me.
Its like having an invincible infantry suit in which your weapons do no damage for a period of time.
That doesnt seem realistic. This is not a game for toddlers without hardeners, one infantry av player can easily kill you in a matter of seconds, with it, it takes a team / skilled player/ vehicle to take you on. mind you that killing a tank requires mind games, and making the tanker think that he is safe, just to deliver the killing blow. Wont that be solved by giving the tanks ridiculously more health? It just seems fake that you pump ammunition at something and nothing is happening
If you want a scientific explanation, then you must realize that we are in the age of nanobots in this game. they are the ones that harden your vehicle. you must also realize that just giving them that much eHP would make them that hard to kill, all the time, this only lets you take multiple hits for a short period of time
Pilot // Logistics
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Onesimus Tarsus
741
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Posted - 2013.12.31 16:12:00 -
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Charlotte O'Dell wrote:Cat Merc wrote:You know, with how strong tanks are even without hardeners, I wonder how well the game would balance if you removed them for a week lawl what game are you playing? I got caught without my hardeners on by a guy with pro to swarms and hades in a GUNLOGI and he soloed me in a few seconds.
So? I ran into a guy with Proto weapons too, and he also soloed me in a few seconds. I might have lasted longer if I hadn't sat still for it. Granted, I was in a scout suit...
Big red button that respecs your SP on demand.
Protos only get points from killing protos.
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Lorhak Gannarsein
952
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Posted - 2013.12.31 16:13:00 -
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Lol
PRO tanker and proud.
Lentarr Legionary.
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Racro 01 Arifistan
501st Knights of Leanbox
INTERGALACTIC WARPIGS
94
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Posted - 2013.12.31 16:15:00 -
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hardners reduce incomeing damage to prolong the vehicles life. best not to shoot the vehicle while its glowly. not much damage goes through.
then again dont bother shooting the tank your just telling it your nerby and ready to die to its hungry turret. :) |
Justice Prevails
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Posted - 2013.12.31 16:24:00 -
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Racro 01 Arifistan wrote:hardners reduce incomeing damage to prolong the vehicles life. best not to shoot the vehicle while its glowly. not much damage goes through.
then again dont bother shooting the tank your just telling it your nerby and ready to die to its hungry turret. :)
Kind of like when you hurt your leg and you need something to help you walk. What is that thing again? Oh yeah, a CRUTCH.
Great job, team. Head back to the MCC for debriefing and cocktails.
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Xender17
Ahrendee Mercenaries
EoN.
967
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Posted - 2013.12.31 16:38:00 -
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Gunnlogis would be dead in seconds without hardeners, by one player.
Prt SL, SCR, SR . ADV FGs, MDs, LaZor, KNs.
Gunnlogi, Falchion, Python, Caldari LDS. (+require)
Prt L. Am, Adv HVY, LGS
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Justice Prevails
157
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Posted - 2013.12.31 16:50:00 -
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That's the same for all the infantry you guys are wiping out. Adopt hit and run tactics. I have to do the same with my rifles. Shoot some guys, take damage myself, find some cover, regen if possible. I can't sit there and take keep boatloads of damage while killing everybody while they wait for my hardeners to go down.
I don't care about killing you, just want to do enough to make you bug out. And one guy should at least be able to accomplish that.
Great job, team. Head back to the MCC for debriefing and cocktails.
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Flix Keptick
Red Star.
EoN.
3198
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Posted - 2013.12.31 17:29:00 -
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It allows CCP's wave of opportunity thing to work. Would you rather have tanks extremely hard to kill 100% of the time?
Lack of content makes stuff broken...
Tank driver // specialized tank destroyer
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Flix Keptick
Red Star.
EoN.
3198
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Posted - 2013.12.31 17:31:00 -
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Sorry for asking but do you use vehicles at all? If you did you could answer your own question. High HP tanks with no hardeners would be worse than low hp tanks with hardeners.
Lack of content makes stuff broken...
Tank driver // specialized tank destroyer
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