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LT SHANKS
Amarr Templars
Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2013.12.29 22:42:00 -
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Infantry use to complain about Assault FGs all the time. However, since 1.7, it seems as though most QQs have stopped.
FGs still can OHKO infantry. People can still tower snipe with them. FGs can still be a threat to vehicles.
Seriously, what gives? |
Rusty Shallows
609
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Posted - 2013.12.29 22:46:00 -
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MCC Guard Detail or converting to HAVs. The game is working exactly the way they designed it.
MCC Lounge Lizard
Forums > Game
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Keri Starlight
0uter.Heaven
2372
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Posted - 2013.12.29 22:56:00 -
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They are much less common because Forge Gunners cannot get cheap kills on vehicles anymore.
"I load my gun with love instead of bullets"
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LT SHANKS
Amarr Templars
Amarr Empire
1298
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Posted - 2013.12.29 23:12:00 -
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Keri Starlight wrote:They are much less common because Forge Gunners cannot get cheap kills on vehicles anymore.
But the problem before was not so much about FGers killing vehicles, but FGers killing infantry. That's what infantry would complain about on these forums. They'd cry over the fact they'd get OHKOd from atop towers. Theyd whine that snipers were ineffective against tanked Heavies. They'd complain that AFGs were the only thing in the killfeed.
Now, it's clear all those QQs from before were absolute bullshit. |
Robocop Junior
BlackWater Liquidations
INTERGALACTIC WARPIGS
441
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Posted - 2013.12.29 23:12:00 -
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I am FGin those posers in heavy suits with RRs like crazy always standing still for me. I will ride a supply depot any chance I get so I can put the gastuns back in a hurry:)
If strength were all, tiger would not fear scorpion.
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Rogue Saint
Science For Death
654
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Posted - 2013.12.29 23:13:00 -
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All the heavies are using light weapons now....
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Rusty Shallows
610
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Posted - 2013.12.29 23:18:00 -
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Robocop Junior wrote:I am FGin those posers in heavy suits with RRs like crazy always standing still for me. I will ride a supply depot any chance I get so I can put the gastuns back in a hurry:)
Speaking as one of the disenfranchised you are offering an interesting kind of hope there. Thanks 
MCC Lounge Lizard
Forums > Game
Fix the game CCP
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Robocop Junior
BlackWater Liquidations
INTERGALACTIC WARPIGS
441
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Posted - 2013.12.29 23:27:00 -
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Rusty Shallows wrote:Robocop Junior wrote:I am FGin those posers in heavy suits with RRs like crazy always standing still for me. I will ride a supply depot any chance I get so I can put the gastuns back in a hurry:) Speaking as one of the disenfranchised you are offering an interesting kind of hope there. Thanks
Haha last night I pooped on a sica with proto breach. Guess he figured I would be an easy kill cause I couldn't move just kept hopping up and down while charging couldn't land a direct hit on me.
If strength were all, tiger would not fear scorpion.
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Krom Ganesh
Holdfast Syndicate
Amarr Empire
1011
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Posted - 2013.12.29 23:31:00 -
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Didn't CCP make some sort of change to prevent people from getting on towers? Tower camping AFG users seemed to be the majority of the complaints.
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Paran Tadec
Imperfect Bastards
1815
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Posted - 2013.12.29 23:32:00 -
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Happens much less frequntly now.
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m twiggz
Pradox One
Proficiency V.
203
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Posted - 2013.12.29 23:34:00 -
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LT SHANKS wrote:Infantry use to complain about Assault FGs all the time. However, since 1.7, it seems as though most QQs have stopped.
FGs still can OHKO infantry. People can still tower snipe with them. FGs can still be a threat to vehicles.
Seriously, what gives?
Heavy machine guns don't shoot bunnies and rainbows anymore. That's what happened. |
Llast 326
An Arkhos
1039
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Posted - 2013.12.29 23:39:00 -
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LT SHANKS wrote:Keri Starlight wrote:They are much less common because Forge Gunners cannot get cheap kills on vehicles anymore. But the problem before was not so much about FGers killing vehicles, but FGers killing infantry. That's what infantry would complain about on these forums. They'd cry over the fact they'd get OHKOd from atop towers. Theyd whine that snipers were ineffective against tanked Heavies. They'd complain that AFGs were the only thing in the killfeed. Now, it's clear all those QQs from before were absolute bullsh it.
I never was one to QQ about the AFG, but I think your conclusion might be a little flawed.
I see less of them now, I think my little scout suit has been hit by one since 1.7
A few things have changed since the QQ was really bad and this may be factors in why there is less QQ now.
GÇô A lot of vehicles on the field now - Heavies going more AV with the FG now
GÇô HMG buff - less Heavies using FG (notice an increase in Murder Taxi Tears?)
GÇô Was there not a reduction to area damage with the FG? (remember people discussing it, but not something I would notice with my 200hp  )
GÇô Don't see people on towers as much now - not really sure why
Basically things have changed, this does not mean that previous QQ was bullshit (well anymore than usual)
It seems to indicate that the game has changed, this is more likely the reason why you don't see the QQ about the Assault Forge.
ReallyGǪ do you miss it?
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dogmanpig
black market bank
105
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Posted - 2013.12.29 23:39:00 -
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m twiggz wrote:LT SHANKS wrote:Infantry use to complain about Assault FGs all the time. However, since 1.7, it seems as though most QQs have stopped.
FGs still can OHKO infantry. People can still tower snipe with them. FGs can still be a threat to vehicles.
Seriously, what gives? Heavy machine guns don't shoot bunnies and rainbows anymore. That's what happened.
they also reduce splash range
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Robocop Junior
BlackWater Liquidations
INTERGALACTIC WARPIGS
441
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Posted - 2013.12.30 00:28:00 -
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Maybe you don't see people on towers because of all the OP railguns and installations:/
If strength were all, tiger would not fear scorpion.
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Monkey MAC
Lost Millennium
1347
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Posted - 2013.12.30 00:33:00 -
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LT SHANKS wrote:Infantry use to complain about Assault FGs all the time. However, since 1.7, it seems as though most QQs have stopped.
FGs still can OHKO infantry. People can still tower snipe with them. FGs can still be a threat to vehicles.
Seriously, what gives?
Roof sniping has been severly hampered, high towers have no perchs, and tabletop rooves can be sniped from hills, they can be countered so FOTM chasers moved to a new tactic.
Pair this with the general drop in AV effectiveness as AV and there is little point to using it, you get more pleasing results with rifles.
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Ghost Kaisar
Titans of Phoenix
1392
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Posted - 2013.12.30 01:20:00 -
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LT SHANKS wrote:Infantry use to complain about Assault FGs all the time. However, since 1.7, it seems as though most QQs have stopped.
FGs still can OHKO infantry. People can still tower snipe with them. FGs can still be a threat to vehicles.
Seriously, what gives?
Less people use them because they now require aim.
The splash nerf is what did it. I rage far less from FG deaths cause hitting targets is all about direct shotting or splashing wounded targets.
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XxGhazbaranxX
The New Age Outlaws
WINMATAR.
864
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Posted - 2013.12.30 02:16:00 -
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Since the splash radius nerf, there hasn't been a lot of FG tower sniping that breaks the game. I think I've been killed once or twice by a FG sniper since that patch.
Plasma Cannon Advocate
For every niche there is a Rifle
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Kane Fyea
Scions of Athra
2521
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Posted - 2013.12.30 02:22:00 -
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LT SHANKS wrote:Infantry use to complain about Assault FGs all the time. However, since 1.7, it seems as though most QQs have stopped.
FGs still can OHKO infantry. People can still tower snipe with them. FGs can still be a threat to vehicles.
Seriously, what gives?
1. The splash radius nerf that happened in 1.6
2. The damage and charge nerf that happened in 1.7 |
DJINN Marauder
Ancient Exiles.
Renegade Alliance
3970
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Posted - 2013.12.30 02:26:00 -
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The forgers are in Mlt sica because they are a better AV and AI weapon
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Beck Weathers
Ghosts of Dawn
General Tso's Alliance
208
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Posted - 2013.12.30 02:33:00 -
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DJINN Marauder wrote:The forgers are in Mlt sica because they are a better AV and AI weapon
Nothing makes me smile bigger than sneaking up on a sniper and shootign him almost point blake with my Railcannon, and watchign him rag doll slip into the sky.
Tho i will say my hatred for red line snipers has gone way down since i started playing my tanker alt more often.
As for forge gunnners, I think they just dont get high enough KDR now with the lowered splash. might as well snipe or use a AR. |
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crychon
xCosmic Voidx
Partners of Industrial Service and Salvage
95
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Posted - 2013.12.30 03:16:00 -
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tanks are faster and the range on the forge was nerfed so a tanks blast has more range than a forge,,,, more or less swatting flies when you are trying to forge one,,,,, so have dropped the forge and added a nice rail rifle to my heavy suit,,,,,,,aaaaaah thank you
just one more
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Vitharr Foebane
Living Like Larry Schwag
443
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Posted - 2013.12.30 04:11:00 -
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crychon wrote:tanks are faster and the range on the forge was nerfed so a tanks blast has more range than a forge,,,, more or less swatting flies when you are trying to forge one,,,,, so have dropped the forge and added a nice rail rifle to my heavy suit,,,,,,,aaaaaah thank you
People like you who use my beautiful heavy suit as a eHP crutch for light weapons, are the people I most enjoy guttling like a fish with my HMG
Thanks CCP for making the HMG Heavy viable again :3
That's no excuse though to slack off on releasing a heavy laser =.=
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zDemoncake
Horizons' Edge
4
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Posted - 2013.12.30 05:16:00 -
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It has become less common, and people found something else to complain about.
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crychon
xCosmic Voidx
Partners of Industrial Service and Salvage
96
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Posted - 2013.12.30 13:40:00 -
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Vitharr Foebane wrote:crychon wrote:tanks are faster and the range on the forge was nerfed so a tanks blast has more range than a forge,,,, more or less swatting flies when you are trying to forge one,,,,, so have dropped the forge and added a nice rail rifle to my heavy suit,,,,,,,aaaaaah thank you People like you who use my beautiful heavy suit as a eHP crutch for light weapons, are the people I most enjoy guttling like a fish with my HMG
bring it ,,, i love to dual with another heavy ps.... was talking about the forge,,,,, i have a nice fit with hmg,,, we can duel with those too
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Disturbingly Bored
The Strontium Asylum
1347
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Posted - 2013.12.30 14:25:00 -
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m twiggz wrote:
Heavy machine guns don't shoot bunnies and rainbows anymore. That's what happened.
Ding ding ding! Here's your answer.
HMG is fun again. I whip out the AFG about a third as often as I used to, and I imagine many dedicated heavies are in the same boat.
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Kasote Denzara
A Vulture
1710
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Posted - 2013.12.30 14:48:00 -
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We "fair" FGers have even complained about the Assault variants because, well, they're fundamentally broken. They still are.
What we have right now is higher damage than standard AND higher rate of fire. They should have less damage than a standard, but higher rate of fire. Having both is completely unneeded. The lack of being able to hold a charge is not a problem to anyone of us that are capable with the weapon. Seriously. It's easier for me to blap infantry with the Assault than it is the others. I'll be honest when I say most of my gruff with the Assault is because, well, I'm a Breacher. I use the Breach variants of the FG because that tickles my fancy.
Basically, people pissed and moan about the broken variant of the FG and then across the board drops happened to the FG. The Breach nor the standard deserved the damage decrease that it got. The time increased- fine, whatever. I use Breach. My time is the same still. But damage? The Breach is all about the spike damage. When that damage was stripped from it, that variant incredibly dropped in effectiveness. I can still two-shot dropships with it, but that's because dropships are weak.
**** your Assault.
"Go ahead and dual tank. My Commando dual ganks." -Kasote Denzara
Use the Commando A-I suit and show your worth.
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Vitharr Foebane
Living Like Larry Schwag
446
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Posted - 2013.12.30 15:08:00 -
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crychon wrote:Vitharr Foebane wrote:crychon wrote:tanks are faster and the range on the forge was nerfed so a tanks blast has more range than a forge,,,, more or less swatting flies when you are trying to forge one,,,,, so have dropped the forge and added a nice rail rifle to my heavy suit,,,,,,,aaaaaah thank you People like you who use my beautiful heavy suit as a eHP crutch for light weapons, are the people I most enjoy guttling like a fish with my HMG bring it ,,, i love to dual with another heavy ps.... was talking about the forge,,,,, i have a nice fit with hmg,,, we can duel with those too
Meh, accept my apologies then, heavy tourists make me an angry fattie as they see the suit for its HP not it's defining feature, the ability to use heavy weapons.
Thanks CCP for making the HMG Heavy viable again :3
That's no excuse though to slack off on releasing a heavy laser =.=
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LT SHANKS
Amarr Templars
Amarr Empire
1303
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Posted - 2013.12.30 15:08:00 -
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I'm not an Assault FGer. If you recall any of my other threads on FGs, I've always been an advocate and user of the Breach.
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Mitch Laurence
The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar
DARKSTAR ARMY
28
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Posted - 2013.12.30 15:30:00 -
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Krom Ganesh wrote:Didn't CCP make some sort of change to prevent people from getting on towers? Tower camping AFG users seemed to be the majority of the complaints.
Yes when they redid the maps they removed most of the penthouse real estate or blocked the views with walls. Now it takes a bit of ingenuity to obtain a room with a view, i.e.: parking a DS at a 45 degree angle on a wall so you can climb up it and peek over the sides.
"People will say we're in love." -Hannibal Lecter
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crychon
xCosmic Voidx
Partners of Industrial Service and Salvage
96
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Posted - 2013.12.30 15:40:00 -
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Vitharr Foebane wrote:crychon wrote:Vitharr Foebane wrote:crychon wrote:tanks are faster and the range on the forge was nerfed so a tanks blast has more range than a forge,,,, more or less swatting flies when you are trying to forge one,,,,, so have dropped the forge and added a nice rail rifle to my heavy suit,,,,,,,aaaaaah thank you People like you who use my beautiful heavy suit as a eHP crutch for light weapons, are the people I most enjoy guttling like a fish with my HMG bring it ,,, i love to dual with another heavy ps.... was talking about the forge,,,,, i have a nice fit with hmg,,, we can duel with those too Meh, accept my apologies then, heavy tourists make me an angry fattie as they see the suit for its HP not it's defining feature, the ability to use heavy weapons.
my hat off to you my heavy brother,,,,,i still love the forge and bring it out if the map makes it possible and i am like you a heavy at heart
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