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Blaze Ashra
Ametat Security Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2013.12.29 07:43:00 -
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I'll join the party til they fix dropships. |
Pvt Numnutz
Black Phoenix Mercenaries
522
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Posted - 2013.12.29 07:57:00 -
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That's sad! I had another dropship pilot red line rail tank me earlier :( there is no honor down the dark path of rail tanking. |
Blaze Ashra
Ametat Security Amarr Empire
52
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Posted - 2013.12.29 08:05:00 -
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Pvt Numnutz wrote:That's sad! I had another dropship pilot red line rail tank me earlier :( there is no honor down the dark path of rail tanking. Yeah, I know. Infantry and tanking is always isk positive, even when it was pre 1.7. Like I said rail guns and forges should be balanced against dropships and swarms should be balanced against tanks. There's only a 272 sp difference from me 1 shotting their asses them like they do us. It'll be worth it. |
Sir Snugglz
Red Star. EoN.
212
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Posted - 2013.12.29 08:06:00 -
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No honor |
Rusty Shallows
605
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Posted - 2013.12.29 08:12:00 -
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There is no shame in adapting.
Earlier this year when the problems with Heavy Frames was unbearable some kin went Logi LAV. That activity drew more hate than red-lining rails ever has.
MCC Lounge Lizard
Forums > Game
Fix the game CCP
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Piraten Hovnoret
No Tax Scrubs
165
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Posted - 2013.12.29 08:43:00 -
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It's ******** have been in countless games now where there is 6-7 rails on one side. You can do NOTHING when they have the foothold. Everything that gets called in gets insta poped. If you go AV the infantry farms you.
They even pop you as you drop out of the mcc on some maps
It's just a cluster fu+ēking mess
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Kasote Denzara
A Vulture
1689
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Posted - 2013.12.29 09:18:00 -
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Rusty Shallows wrote:There is no shame in adapting.
Earlier this year when the problems with Heavy Frames was unbearable some kin went Logi LAV. That activity drew more hate than red-lining rails ever has.
You're... not referring to when they made the Charybdis into the flagship of murder taxis, are you? That was ridiculously broken. lol.
"Go ahead and dual tank. My Commando dual ganks." -Kasote Denzara
The Traitor, in the name of "freedom".
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Gloomy Cobra
Forsaken Mercs
60
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Posted - 2013.12.29 09:27:00 -
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Rails are strong agianst everything Shield, armor, hardners, & hybrid fits. \Can't be helped....
The so called negative feedback is often love in disguise. Take full advantage!
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Alena Ventrallis
The Neutral Zone
404
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Posted - 2013.12.29 10:04:00 -
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Blaze Ashra wrote:Pvt Numnutz wrote:That's sad! I had another dropship pilot red line rail tank me earlier :( there is no honor down the dark path of rail tanking. Yeah, I know. Infantry and tanking is always isk positive, even when it was pre 1.7. Like I said rail guns and forges should be balanced against dropships and swarms should be balanced against tanks. There's only a 272 sp difference from me 1 shotting their asses them like they do us. It'll be worth it. Slow down tanks, and slow down swarms, or give dropships passive swarm countermeasures, and you have a deal. |
Blaze Ashra
Ametat Security Amarr Empire
53
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Posted - 2013.12.29 10:15:00 -
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Alena Ventrallis wrote:Blaze Ashra wrote:Pvt Numnutz wrote:That's sad! I had another dropship pilot red line rail tank me earlier :( there is no honor down the dark path of rail tanking. Yeah, I know. Infantry and tanking is always isk positive, even when it was pre 1.7. Like I said rail guns and forges should be balanced against dropships and swarms should be balanced against tanks. There's only a 272 sp difference from me 1 shotting their asses them like they do us. It'll be worth it. Slow down tanks, and slow down swarms, or give dropships passive swarm countermeasures, and you have a deal. Swarms are actually okay against dropships so long as we can survive 2 volleys which wasn't that hard to do. For the most part swarms function as area denial and give Infantry the tools to put up a fight against us without either side being raped. |
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Keri Starlight
0uter.Heaven
2349
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Posted - 2013.12.29 12:12:00 -
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Railgun is OP
"I load my gun with love instead of bullets"
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Blaze Ashra
Ametat Security Amarr Empire
53
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Posted - 2013.12.29 12:17:00 -
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Keri Starlight wrote:Railgun is OP Not that it matters but my KDR already went up by .7 since I made that post. |
Beld Errmon
The Southern Legion The Umbra Combine
1184
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Posted - 2013.12.29 12:24:00 -
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Blaze Ashra wrote:I'll join the party til they fix dropships.
If you were a smarter pilot railguns would rarely kill you, and you'd also know that sometimes you gotta land or go somewhere/do something else, in my case when a rail tank starts to annoy me I pull out my own and 2 shot the silly nub.
But I must say im also guilty of pulling a rail on another pilot because 2 ADS fighting these days is like watching to eastern european grannys in a hand bag fight, pointless engagement i'd rather shoot something that will die before the end of the match. |
Darken-Sol
BIG BAD W0LVES
1088
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Posted - 2013.12.29 12:36:00 -
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I used to love flying troopships back in chromosome . I haven't been able to pilot one since, the controls seem wonky. From what I read I figure when they took out the life or death it ruined dropships for some guys. The ones we have left just seem to kill infantry.
what's the deal? Does everyone just abuse game mechanics until CCP is forced to Nerf stuff into the ground? FOTM gets bent over and we are left with all around weaker weapons and vehicles. This just keeps happening, lets Nerf the calendar. I am going to be a boss at throwing rocks. I have been exploding my locus on peoples faces since way back.
There was a time we fought good tankers. Now we just fight good tanks.
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Blaze Ashra
Ametat Security Amarr Empire
56
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Posted - 2013.12.29 12:37:00 -
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Beld Errmon wrote:Blaze Ashra wrote:I'll join the party til they fix dropships. If you were a smarter pilot railguns would rarely kill you, and you'd also know that sometimes you gotta land or go somewhere/do something else, in my case when a rail tank starts to annoy me I pull out my own and 2 shot the silly nub. But I must say im also guilty of pulling a rail on another pilot because 2 ADS fighting these days is like watching to eastern european grannys in a hand bag fight, pointless engagement i'd rather shoot something that will die before the end of the match. I'm willing to tag along in a squad so you can show me how it's done. I would very much like to know how to rarely get killed by railguns. |
Beld Errmon
The Southern Legion The Umbra Combine
1185
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Posted - 2013.12.29 12:47:00 -
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If you were in my corp i'd be happy to give you tips, but I don't help non corpies with anything, besides as I said sometimes you gotta know when to land, if the other team has 3 redline rail tankers: its a no fly zone, knowing that is part of being a smart pilot. |
Beld Errmon
The Southern Legion The Umbra Combine
1185
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Posted - 2013.12.29 12:51:00 -
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Darken-Sol wrote:I used to love flying troopships back in chromosome . I haven't been able to pilot one since, the controls seem wonky. From what I read I figure when they took out the life or death it ruined dropships for some guys. The ones we have left just seem to kill infantry.
what's the deal? Does everyone just abuse game mechanics until CCP is forced to Nerf stuff into the ground? FOTM gets bent over and we are left with all around weaker weapons and vehicles. This just keeps happening, lets Nerf the calendar. I am going to be a boss at throwing rocks. I have been exploding my locus on peoples faces since way back.
When infantry GTFO of the dropship when i land or hover over an objective, i'll be happy to ferry them about again, till blue berries have brains i'll stick to reversing awesome landings and take offs for my squad mates. |
Blaze Ashra
Ametat Security Amarr Empire
58
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Posted - 2013.12.29 13:04:00 -
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Beld Errmon wrote:If you were in my corp i'd be happy to give you tips, but I don't help non corpies with anything, besides as I said sometimes you gotta know when to land, if the other team has 3 redline rail tankers: its a no fly zone, knowing that is part of being a smart pilot.
Just like if your driving a blaster tank and your squad mates tell you a rail tank just set up on a hill across the field from you, you don't go waltzing out there with your hardeners down.
Okay how about this, you mail me an effective counter to railguns and forges and if it' is indeed an effective strategy I will buy 2 $20 psn cards and give you the codes. Deal? |
Darken-Sol
BIG BAD W0LVES
1090
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Posted - 2013.12.29 13:07:00 -
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Blaze Ashra wrote:Beld Errmon wrote:If you were in my corp i'd be happy to give you tips, but I don't help non corpies with anything, besides as I said sometimes you gotta know when to land, if the other team has 3 redline rail tankers: its a no fly zone, knowing that is part of being a smart pilot.
Just like if your driving a blaster tank and your squad mates tell you a rail tank just set up on a hill across the field from you, you don't go waltzing out there with your hardeners down. Okay how about this, you mail me an effective counter to railguns and forges and if it' is indeed an effective strategy I will buy 2 $20 psn cards and give you the codes. Deal?
just get the pilot channel. I doubt this guy even flies dropships. every one is superman on the forums
There was a time we fought good tankers. Now we just fight good tanks.
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Happy Violentime
L0ST PR0FITS
162
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Posted - 2013.12.29 15:13:00 -
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Are dropships broken? i keep seeing ADS with almost continuos hardeners going. Uusually going 25/0 in games. Bad pilots have gotta blame something other than their lack of skill i s'pose |
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Happy Violentime
L0ST PR0FITS
162
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Posted - 2013.12.29 15:16:00 -
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Blaze Ashra wrote:Beld Errmon wrote:If you were in my corp i'd be happy to give you tips, but I don't help non corpies with anything, besides as I said sometimes you gotta know when to land, if the other team has 3 redline rail tankers: its a no fly zone, knowing that is part of being a smart pilot.
Just like if your driving a blaster tank and your squad mates tell you a rail tank just set up on a hill across the field from you, you don't go waltzing out there with your hardeners down. Okay how about this, you mail me an effective counter to railguns and forges and if it' is indeed an effective strategy I will buy 2 $20 psn cards and give you the codes, if not you get 1. Deal?
Stick your hardeners on, fly at them, circle them, shoot missiles, fly high/behind cover if you start taking too much damage from other sources. |
Serimos Haeraven
The Exemplars Top Men.
547
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Posted - 2013.12.29 15:16:00 -
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Dropships aren't broken, the railgun tanks are when mixed with the flawed redline mechanic. Both need to be addressed in different ways so it fixes the solution as a whole. |
Knight Soiaire
BurgezzE.T.F Public Disorder.
4060
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Posted - 2013.12.29 15:25:00 -
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Kasote Denzara wrote:Rusty Shallows wrote:There is no shame in adapting.
Earlier this year when the problems with Heavy Frames was unbearable some kin went Logi LAV. That activity drew more hate than red-lining rails ever has. You're... not referring to when they made the Charybdis into the flagship of murder taxis, are you? That was ridiculously fun. lol.
Fixed
DUST is so broken, even my PS3 refuses to let me play it.
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Operative 1171 Aajli
Bragian Order Amarr Empire
952
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Posted - 2013.12.29 15:28:00 -
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Pvt Numnutz wrote:That's sad! I had another dropship pilot red line rail tank me earlier :( there is no honor down the dark path of rail tanking.
I ended up redline rail tanking you in one game a couple weeks ago. You hovered over my tank with hardeners down and destroyed it. We were getting redlined anyway so I said heck with that and just grabbed a beer and my rail tank. I'd say that was the same as redline rail tanking. I can't really counter a hovering DS above my missiles and no injector (shield tank)
On the other hand you were flying pretty well and I couldn't hit you at all with a rail. Maybe if the rail rotation skills are trained up it works better. I don't have rails trained up. They track slow and are even worse when scoping.
So, redline rail is worse than an ADS with turret skills trained up imo. So, everything working as intended.
Do your part. Join the revolution. Sabotage FW. Help this game burn!
BURN DUST 2014
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Blaze Ashra
Ametat Security Amarr Empire
59
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Posted - 2013.12.29 15:29:00 -
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Happy Violentime wrote:Are dropships broken? i keep seeing ADS with almost continuos hardeners going. Uusually going 25/0 in games. Bad pilots have gotta blame something other than their lack of skill i s'pose I lack the SP to fit 2 hardeners on atm. I'm 1.4 million away from having armor, shield and turrets to level 5 and then I can get working extenending the active module durations and recharge rate + fitting optimizations.
I like your other post though. |
Knight Soiaire
BurgezzE.T.F Public Disorder.
4065
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Posted - 2013.12.29 15:32:00 -
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Happy Violentime wrote:Blaze Ashra wrote:Beld Errmon wrote:If you were in my corp i'd be happy to give you tips, but I don't help non corpies with anything, besides as I said sometimes you gotta know when to land, if the other team has 3 redline rail tankers: its a no fly zone, knowing that is part of being a smart pilot.
Just like if your driving a blaster tank and your squad mates tell you a rail tank just set up on a hill across the field from you, you don't go waltzing out there with your hardeners down. Okay how about this, you mail me an effective counter to railguns and forges and if it' is indeed an effective strategy I will buy 2 $20 psn cards and give you the codes, if not you get 1. Deal? Stick your hardeners on, fly at them, circle them, shoot missiles, fly high/behind cover if you start taking too much damage from other sources.
Of course you'd be here trying to justify rail HAVs.
DUST is so broken, even my PS3 refuses to let me play it.
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Leonid Tybalt
Dark Knightz Corp.
61
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Posted - 2013.12.29 15:37:00 -
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That's the spirit! Remember the old words of wisdom: "Don't get mad... Get even" [:twisted:] Although I do frown upon redline sniping with railtanks, but I don't really blame the tankers for doing it but rather blame ccp for creating something so silly as a redline where cowards can hide.
Remove the redline and replace it with more spawn points at the edges of the map for both teams and the problem will go away! |
Nguruthos IX
PEN 15 CLUB
2387
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Posted - 2013.12.29 15:41:00 -
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I've been here since open beta started. Flying DS wholetime.
But this red-line rail nonsense has driven me off. RDV's too, piece of ****ing *** rdv's horrible fail mechanic ccp.
Anyhow, I've NEVER driven a tank before in my life. Started red-line railing the other day because screw them. But really, its more fun to just not play Dust. |
Operative 1171 Aajli
Bragian Order Amarr Empire
954
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Posted - 2013.12.29 15:50:00 -
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Blaze Ashra wrote:Beld Errmon wrote:If you were in my corp i'd be happy to give you tips, but I don't help non corpies with anything, besides as I said sometimes you gotta know when to land, if the other team has 3 redline rail tankers: its a no fly zone, knowing that is part of being a smart pilot.
Just like if your driving a blaster tank and your squad mates tell you a rail tank just set up on a hill across the field from you, you don't go waltzing out there with your hardeners down. Okay how about this, you mail me an effective counter to railguns and forges and if it' is indeed an effective strategy I will buy 2 $20 psn cards and give you the codes, if not you get 1. Deal?
Think about what you are trying to do and where to do it.
Are you trying to land and dropoff troops? Fly in low from an area blocked by buildings or terrain.
Don't hover above buildings.
Don't fly in at a medium height where you show up to rails and don't fly laterally so that you can be led.
Fly up high on sides of map then get over an area and dive down fast.
Watch some videos of hueys in Vietnam. You don't see them being stupid with artillery fire overhead.
Low, slow and covered. Either be high to ceiling or low to ground.
ADS does not mean you should rain down hell with impunity. Have to choose your location.
If rails are in that battle than that's the battle. If not then it's your battle.
Just because you want to field something doesn't mean every battle should be for that.
What happened to all this team effort thing? Hook up with a rail tanker that can cover fire on the other rail for you.
I'd like to see that team effort. Might make me play solo less.
I'll even rail tank for you if you do the same for me too.
Do your part. Join the revolution. Sabotage FW. Help this game burn!
BURN DUST 2014
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Blaze Ashra
Ametat Security Amarr Empire
61
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Posted - 2013.12.29 16:20:00 -
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Operative 1171 Aajli wrote:Blaze Ashra wrote:Beld Errmon wrote:If you were in my corp i'd be happy to give you tips, but I don't help non corpies with anything, besides as I said sometimes you gotta know when to land, if the other team has 3 redline rail tankers: its a no fly zone, knowing that is part of being a smart pilot.
Just like if your driving a blaster tank and your squad mates tell you a rail tank just set up on a hill across the field from you, you don't go waltzing out there with your hardeners down. Okay how about this, you mail me an effective counter to railguns and forges and if it' is indeed an effective strategy I will buy 2 $20 psn cards and give you the codes, if not you get 1. Deal? Think about what you are trying to do and where to do it. Are you trying to land and dropoff troops? Fly in low from an area blocked by buildings or terrain. Don't hover above buildings. Don't fly in at a medium height where you show up to rails and don't fly laterally so that you can be led. Fly up high on sides of map then get over an area and dive down fast. Watch some videos of hueys in Vietnam. You don't see them being stupid with artillery fire overhead. Low, slow and covered. Either be high to ceiling or low to ground. ADS does not mean you should rain down hell with impunity. Have to choose your location. If rails are in that battle than that's the battle. If not then it's your battle. Just because you want to field something doesn't mean every battle should be for that. What happened to all this team effort thing? Hook up with a rail tanker that can cover fire on the other rail for you. I'd like to see that team effort. Might make me play solo less. I'll even rail tank for you if you do the same for me too.
Now that's helpful. I try to look at the map like the center is a no fly zone (tower forgers got me into that habit). Scan/clear the perimeter and work my way in, only landing so that my backs facing my side and I'm facing cover to drop uplinks at the start of the match or to pick up my squad. Other than that I do redline border patrol and try to clear installations starting from there side working to mine. If I come across a few reds I'll drop them but wont spend more than a clip trying to deal with them as I don't like to stay in one area.
My targeting priorities are dropships (collision damage is still insane on dropships), tanks, installations, objectives the teams hacking and infantry in that order. I'm not perfect and I make mistakes from time to time but I try to improve and as I gain SP everything is getting easier. Anyways that's how I try to play.
And I'd be glad to squad up. |
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