DUST Search - How do people feel about the Jihad jeep?

Freshticles wrote:

Before I start and or rant, any mention of htfu or the like will simply be ignored. I'm stating my free opinion and asking for other people's opinions, not an argument.

I don't mind AV, and am in favour of a buff (I'd suggest proficiency give a % bonus while hardners are down to add to the waves of opportunity thing), I do mind the Jihad jeep tactic one hit killing properly fit tanks while them self costing pennies. What motivation do I have to play the game when the hard counter gives me no way to fight back. No time to turn around and fight for your life when already dead, even if you already had your hardners on. Soma, Madrugar, Sica, Gunnlogi, all the same to the Jihad, death by holy fire.

Remotes themselves are fine, if I drive into a ground trap, kudos to the trap setter and shame on me for walking into my own death. But is it fair that the trap drive into me?

To be honest I could extend this further into a rant about how there's no reason a sp invested tanker even has to exist, but that's sort of another story.

Don't get me wrong the tactic is viable and sometimes necessary. That doesn't make it balanced. Surely CCP would have tested this before putting it in the game (mind you, look at everything else)

Notes: Tanker (that actually has sp in tanks Roll

) Dropship pilot, previously chromo heavy.

How does anyone else feel about this?

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Freshticles Cobra Unit 409	Posted - 2013.12.28 23:10:00 - [1] - Quote Before I start and or rant, any mention of htfu or the like will simply be ignored. I'm stating my free opinion and asking for other people's opinions, not an argument. I don't mind AV, and am in favour of a buff (I'd suggest proficiency give a % bonus while hardners are down to add to the waves of opportunity thing), I do mind the Jihad jeep tactic one hit killing properly fit tanks while them self costing pennies. What motivation do I have to play the game when the hard counter gives me no way to fight back. No time to turn around and fight for your life when already dead, even if you already had your hardners on. Soma, Madrugar, Sica, Gunnlogi, all the same to the Jihad, death by holy fire. Remotes themselves are fine, if I drive into a ground trap, kudos to the trap setter and shame on me for walking into my own death. But is it fair that the trap drive into me? To be honest I could extend this further into a rant about how there's no reason a sp invested tanker even has to exist, but that's sort of another story. Don't get me wrong the tactic is viable and sometimes necessary. That doesn't make it balanced. Surely CCP would have tested this before putting it in the game (mind you, look at everything else) Notes: Tanker (that actually has sp in tanks ) Dropship pilot, previously chromo heavy. How does anyone else feel about this? Level 9001 Forum Wizard
THEAMAZING POTHEAD Nyain San Renegade Alliance 730	Posted - 2013.12.28 23:13:00 - [2] - Quote railguns and jihad jeeps are the only thing stopping(barely) tanks from being absolute unequevical god mode right now. nuff said.
Jaysyn Larrisen OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 598	Posted - 2013.12.28 23:14:00 - [3] - Quote I'm ok with jihad jeeps for the most part. They aren't really viable or useful in more competitive areas like FW or PC but adds some much needed comedy value to pub ambushes.
Freshticles Cobra Unit 409	Posted - 2013.12.28 23:17:00 - [4] - Quote THEAMAZING POTHEAD wrote: railguns and jihad jeeps are the only thing stopping(barely) tanks from being absolute unequevical god mode right now. nuff said. That is a true statement, hence my mention of AV hardners off damage boost Although rail tanks are a bit more counter-able. Level 9001 Forum Wizard
Maken Tosch DUST University Ivy League 6144	Posted - 2013.12.28 23:18:00 - [5] - Quote It's a legitimate tactic just like in the real world. Crude and mostly unfair, just like scamming a dumb player in Jita, but it's a permissable tactic. I mean, 20,000+ years into the future and you think no one would have figured out how to make magnetic remote explosives? OK, CCP. When are knives finally going to be improved? *CLOSED BETA VETERAN SINCE REPLICATION BUILD*
Benjamin Ciscko The Generals General Tso's Alliance 1059	Posted - 2013.12.28 23:21:00 - [6] - Quote Railguns are OP they cause at least 85% of my deaths (rail tanks, installations, I also include follow up AV the rail doing the alpha damage though). I personally have never been killed by a jihad jeep there have been attempts but no succeses so I really don't care about them they are not a major issue. Tanker/Assault Can I have my ADV and PRO tanks now (Honeyed Lamb enroute).
Atiim Living Like Larry Schwag 2717	Posted - 2013.12.28 23:22:00 - [7] - Quote Yes. Jihad Jeeps and Railguns are the only things that stop this game from becoming a COMPLETE copy of Tank 514 Also, inb4 Spkr4TheDead saying "Jihad Jeeps are the new AV crutch" ...
Henchmen21 Planet Express LLC 335	Posted - 2013.12.28 23:27:00 - [8] - Quote I use them as a last resort, or against redliners I can't get to. Particularly with this char, plasma cannon and traps only work if you can get the time to set them up. Henchmen21: Infantry Gotyougood Ufkr: Vehicles
Keri Starlight 0uter.Heaven 2339	Posted - 2013.12.28 23:28:00 - [9] - Quote Jihad Jeeps are stupid, for the reasons you listed in your opening post. Don't get me wrong, I know that Tanks are extremely powerful now and it's hard to take them down as infantry, but the idea of the bomb-LAV is just a joke. I like to see DUST as a strategic shooter, but it's hard to take a kamikaze LAV seriously, come on... 100% Achura "I load my gun with love instead of bullets"
Stinker Butt Ostrakon Agency Gallente Federation 249	Posted - 2013.12.28 23:29:00 - [10] - Quote Freshticles wrote: Before I start and or rant, any mention of htfu or the like will simply be ignored. I'm stating my free opinion and asking for other people's opinions, not an argument. I don't mind AV, and am in favour of a buff (I'd suggest proficiency give a % bonus while hardners are down to add to the waves of opportunity thing), I do mind the Jihad jeep tactic one hit killing properly fit tanks while them self costing pennies. What motivation do I have to play the game when the hard counter gives me no way to fight back. No time to turn around and fight for your life when already dead, even if you already had your hardners on. Soma, Madrugar, Sica, Gunnlogi, all the same to the Jihad, death by holy fire. Remotes themselves are fine, if I drive into a ground trap, kudos to the trap setter and shame on me for walking into my own death. But is it fair that the trap drive into me? To be honest I could extend this further into a rant about how there's no reason a sp invested tanker even has to exist, but that's sort of another story. Don't get me wrong the tactic is viable and sometimes necessary. That doesn't make it balanced. Surely CCP would have tested this before putting it in the game (mind you, look at everything else) Notes: Tanker (that actually has sp in tanks ) Dropship pilot, previously chromo heavy. How does anyone else feel about this? So let me clarify... It's ok for your tank to drive up and one hit kill any well equipped prototype infantry even though they have no chance of saving their self or even properly fighting back. It's not ok for an infantry to drive up and one hit kill you in your equipped tank even though they sacrificed their self doing it. I don't mean to point out the obvious, but you have a double standard. Please give tanks some balance

Yoma Carrim Situation Normal all fraked up 218	Posted - 2013.12.28 23:36:00 - [11] - Quote Had to tank with jihad jeeps around in Battlefield Now have to tank with them around in Dust harmful yes and places a major dent in my wallet (half a mill per gunnlogi) but nothing I really have a problem with When you turn a corner and find the entire enemy team.Oh Heck Logi, Tanker, Heavy
Henchmen21 Planet Express LLC 335	Posted - 2013.12.28 23:39:00 - [12] - Quote Just used them in the last match I played. At least five red tanks and 2 ADS on the field at any given time. They have us pushed back to the spawns and are blowing up most of anything we call in before it even hits the ground. As well as warbarge strikes on the spawns. Infantry gettting slaughtered the moment they set foot out of cover. When I got a window to call in an LAV's I made the most of em. Hell yes I am going to do the only thing left to me and do as much damage as I can. 2 LAV's 2 tanks destroyed. Henchmen21: Infantry Gotyougood Ufkr: Vehicles
Gelan Corbaine Gladiators Vanguard 269	Posted - 2013.12.28 23:44:00 - [13] - Quote Completely fair ....... even a guy with an AR or any equivalent can counter them. No job is worth doing if you don't get paid in the end .
LT SHANKS Amarr Templars Amarr Empire 1270	Posted - 2013.12.28 23:49:00 - [14] - Quote In most of the games I play, I find myself to be the only one pulling out Jihad Jeeps. With three to four tanks on the opposing side, and with no tanks and players ineffectively using AV on my side I find that going to Heaven is the only tactic that gives my teams a fighting chance. However, kamikaze-ing my way into a Gunnlogi or a Maddy for a one-shot kill is never reliable. First, attaining top speed and keeping it without getting blown to bits by other tanks is difficult. I have to make sure I take the clearest route while avoiding any terrain that will inhibit my speed. If those conditions are not met, I seldom make it to my target, or if I do, I would already have slowed down to the point that I lightly bump the tank, enabling its pilot to back up a bit and finish me off.
AP Grasshopper The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY 131	Posted - 2013.12.28 23:50:00 - [15] - Quote Haji trucks are hilariously ineffective cheap shots that attempt to undermined skillful play. You'll be laughed out of PC and competitive FW trying to employ suicide LAV's.
CUSE TOWN333 KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION 64	Posted - 2013.12.29 00:14:00 - [16] - Quote i make tanks go boom if you tank spam my bomb squad is on the hunt for noob tankers no one is safe. The clever combatant imposes his will on the enemy, but does not allow the enemy"s will to be imposed upon him. Sun Tzu
Cosgar ParagonX 9041	Posted - 2013.12.29 00:19:00 - [17] - Quote It saddens me that aside from throwaway transports, this is the only other viable use for LAVs. I tried to put a level into Amarr Commando once, but got a server notification saying "Why?"
Mortedeamor 1146	Posted - 2013.12.29 00:22:00 - [18] - Quote Freshticles wrote: Surely CCP would have tested this before putting it in the game this still has me dieing of laughter why use suits when ccp gave us nice shiny op as hell tanks that cost next to nothing
Fire of Prometheus DUST University Ivy League 2434	Posted - 2013.12.29 00:39:00 - [19] - Quote I tried jihad jeeps today.... I can say with 100% certainty that they are..... The most fun thing to do!!!!!! I love it, it costs me about 30 k each time I go and blow someone up. Go ahead spam tanks!!!! I'll have the time of my life driving around blowing you tankers up!!!! I'm sick of tank spam!!!! So now you tankers can feel my wrath!!!! Until ccp does something about tanks, I will keep jeeping. Go ahead, chirp me, see if I care. Proud member of the Commndo 6 <3 Commando AK.0
Monkey MAC Lost Millennium 1330	Posted - 2013.12.29 00:45:00 - [20] - Quote I see no problem with them. Its an inventive way of taking out a vehicle that is engaged in a thearte of war. However I would like to point out, that while these jeeps are hard to counter. Its also incredibly hard to get a tank to nick off with ACTUAL AV. Which gives the same feeling of demoralising for infantry. Tanks 514 I told you, I bloody well told you. Monkey Mac - Forum Warrior of the Trees Lvl.1

Henchmen21 Planet Express LLC 337	Posted - 2013.12.29 00:47:00 - [21] - Quote Fire of Prometheus wrote: I tried jihad jeeps today.... I can say with 100% certainty that they are..... The most fun thing to do!!!!!! I love it, it costs me about 30 k each time I go and blow someone up. Go ahead spam tanks!!!! I'll have the time of my life driving around blowing you tankers up!!!! I'm sick of tank spam!!!! So now you tankers can feel my wrath!!!! Until ccp does something about tanks, I will keep jeeping. Go ahead, chirp me, see if I care. Had a proto redline rail gunner shoot down my incubus. Seeing him panic after I come over the hill well into the redline was a good feeling I have to admit. Henchmen21: Infantry Gotyougood Ufkr: Vehicles
Zelorian Dexter snr 8thDivision 126	Posted - 2013.12.29 00:50:00 - [22] - Quote Get someone else in your squad on comms to rig your LAV with REs drive upto the tank and get them to detonate. You dont die you dont lose your LAV the tank still pops. Then sit back and read the fan mail.
Vesago Ghostcore Rejected Clones 101	Posted - 2013.12.29 00:55:00 - [23] - Quote I have never tried the jihad jeep, but it looks to me as a good way to even the playing field if it works as well as i hear. Just today I hit a tank with 3 adv AV grenades, then a shot from my Proto Plasma Cannon, and I was killed while reloading. The tank survived easily. I dont bother with swarms because they arent versatile, and with the tanks new speed your lucky to get 2 volleys off, which wont kill even a standard non fit HAV. Generally, in this discussion, I would have no opinion, however now that we commonly see 4-6 tanks on a side, its an issue that needs to be addressed. I think that the jihad jeep is a coping mechanism for AV'ers who are feeling the sting of being ineffectual. With all of that said, Tanks aren't too powerful, in and of themselves... having 6 tanks on a side is seriously OP. If suicide bombing is a valid deterrent from Tank514, then i'm all for it.
Luk Manag of Terror TRE GAFFEL 281	Posted - 2013.12.29 00:56:00 - [24] - Quote Monkey MAC wrote: I see no problem with them. Its an inventive way of taking out a vehicle that is engaged in a thearte of war. However I would like to point out, that while these jeeps are hard to counter. Its also incredibly hard to get a tank to nick off with ACTUAL AV. Which gives the same feeling of demoralising for infantry. Hard to counter? Not really. If the tank is moving it's hard to nail a direct hit, or hit hard enough to detonate. I've had many tankers trigger my REs for me with their turrets. There was one guy that just jumped out of his railtank to put a couple AR rounds on my REs, you don't want to waste railgun ammo if you can help it, and they turn slow. There will be bullets. ACR+SMG
Monkey MAC Lost Millennium 1331	Posted - 2013.12.29 00:58:00 - [25] - Quote Luk Manag wrote: Monkey MAC wrote: I see no problem with them. Its an inventive way of taking out a vehicle that is engaged in a thearte of war. However I would like to point out, that while these jeeps are hard to counter. Its also incredibly hard to get a tank to nick off with ACTUAL AV. Which gives the same feeling of demoralising for infantry. Hard to counter? Not really. If the tank is moving it's hard to nail a direct hit, or hit hard enough to detonate. I've had many tankers trigger my REs for me with their turrets. There was one guy that just jumped out of his railtank to put a couple AR rounds on my REs, you don't want to waste railgun ammo if you can help it, and they turn slow. I didn't say impossible. Tanks 514 I told you, I bloody well told you. Monkey Mac - Forum Warrior of the Trees Lvl.1
ZeHealingHurts HurtingHeals Seituoda Taskforce Command 898	Posted - 2013.12.29 01:00:00 - [26] - Quote It's too damn fun. Dragonfly BPO, REs, AV grenades. HOORAY! I've been trying to get LAVs. Seems harder, but i'm getting there. Lore-wise: Calamari are my preferred. Amarricans are my despised. Importantly: Frogs n' Brutes have all my stuff...
Mortedeamor 1147	Posted - 2013.12.29 03:14:00 - [27] - Quote personally i think instead of doing something reasonable like making re's not stick to friendly targets and thus eliminating the jiihad lav..ccp will just ending up doing there normal mo and nerfing re's to the ground..so keep spamming em go ahead eventually ccp will ruin re's for maluse why use suits when ccp gave us nice shiny op as hell tanks that cost next to nothing
rretri bution 24	Posted - 2013.12.29 03:22:00 - [28] - Quote THEAMAZING POTHEAD wrote: railguns and jihad jeeps are the only thing stopping(barely) tanks from being absolute unequevical god mode right now. nuff said. agreed
Maken Tosch DUST University Ivy League 6146	Posted - 2013.12.29 03:26:00 - [29] - Quote Keri Starlight wrote: Jihad Jeeps are stupid, for the reasons you listed in your opening post. Don't get me wrong, I know that Tanks are extremely powerful now and it's hard to take them down as infantry, but the idea of the bomb-LAV is just a joke. I like to see DUST as a strategic shooter, but it's hard to take a kamikaze LAV seriously, come on... It doesn't matter what you think of the jihad Jeeps. They are a legitimate tactic. In Eve Online, some people think suicide ganking innocent miners in high sec is lame. But in the world of New Eden, it's allowed because anything goes. OK, CCP. When are knives finally going to be improved? *CLOSED BETA VETERAN SINCE REPLICATION BUILD*
CaoticFox Axis of Chaos 116	Posted - 2013.12.29 03:27:00 - [30] - Quote its WAR! and the CLOSEST thing to realism YET! +1 for OSAMA BINLADEN

Arx Ardashir Imperium Aeternum 304	Posted - 2013.12.29 03:43:00 - [31] - Quote Lol at all the "no skill" posts in here, and the hopes the Jihad Jeep will go away. Argument: LAVs are cheap and Tanks are expensive. Counterpoint: My forgegun is cheap too, and I even get to keep it. Argument: One shots the tank for the cheap price. Counterpoint: Jihad Jeep can be one-shotted by any gun in the game, so long as they pepper the hood, and two-shotted by just about any AV out there. Argument: Takes so skill, just "point and shoot." Counterpoint: You mean like every other weapon in the game, save Swarms? The Jihad Jeep needs to reach a high enough speed to where crashing into the HAV will cause the LAV to explode. The REs don't detonate from the impact, the LAV does, acting like a primer. Getting to that speed takes a nice, flat stretch. Do you know what flat stretches don't provide? Cover. LAV is weak and exposed, and likely coming straight at the HAV, meaning tracking it would be no problem. HAVs that sit still are the most susceptible to Jihad Jeeps. Isn't the mantra in this game "keep moving?" Amarr HAV Speculation
Sclompton Face-Smasher Living Like Larry Schwag 9	Posted - 2013.12.29 04:43:00 - [32] - Quote Atiim wrote: Yes. Jihad Jeeps and Railguns are the only things that stop this game from becoming a COMPLETE copy of Tank 514 Also, inb4 Spkr4TheDead saying "Jihad Jeeps are the new AV crutch" I love watching them burn!!! tanks and LAVs alike
Sclompton Face-Smasher Living Like Larry Schwag 9	Posted - 2013.12.29 04:52:00 - [33] - Quote Arx Ardashir wrote: Lol at all the "no skill" posts in here, and the hopes the Jihad Jeep will go away. Argument: LAVs are cheap and Tanks are expensive. Counterpoint: My forgegun is cheap too, and I even get to keep it. Argument: One shots the tank for the cheap price. Counterpoint: Jihad Jeep can be one-shotted by any gun in the game, so long as they pepper the hood, and two-shotted by just about any AV out there. Argument: Takes so skill, just "point and shoot." Counterpoint: You mean like every other weapon in the game, save Swarms? The Jihad Jeep needs to reach a high enough speed to where crashing into the HAV will cause the LAV to explode. The REs don't detonate from the impact, the LAV does, acting like a primer. Getting to that speed takes a nice, flat stretch. Do you know what flat stretches don't provide? Cover. LAV is weak and exposed, and likely coming straight at the HAV, meaning tracking it would be no problem. HAVs that sit still are the most susceptible to Jihad Jeeps. Isn't the mantra in this game "keep moving?" I have a Heavy alt Darkakunakora325 and a Plasma Cannon account Heavy Noogeyy so I know the enjoyment of still trying to AV with the tank spam so I completely agree with you
Alabastor 'TheBlaster' Alcar Silver Bullet Solutions DARKSTAR ARMY 292	Posted - 2013.12.29 04:54:00 - [34] - Quote ITS KAMAKAZI KAR NOT JIHAD JEEP!! and yeah its a balanced and valid tactic, and this is coming form a tank user
straya fox Sad Panda Solutions 144	Posted - 2013.12.29 04:56:00 - [35] - Quote First time i saw a jihad take out a tank i stood still laughing so hard i got sniped. Something with this level of comedy value has to be good for the game.
SOGZ PANDA Pradox One Proficiency V. 24	Posted - 2013.12.29 05:10:00 - [36] - Quote I think it's positively hilarious being a victim and being a culprit Yes it shouldn't of to come to that and no av shouldn't have been nerfed the way it did But kudos to people for creating a working counter (stupid or not) I congratulate thee who make it work and facepalm part time tankers who continuously fall for it Whatever Brianna Beach says about me.............It's not true
KenKaniff69 Fatal Absolution 1703	Posted - 2013.12.29 05:18:00 - [37] - Quote AP Grasshopper wrote: Haji trucks are hilariously ineffective cheap shots that attempt to undermined skillful play. You'll be laughed out of PC and competitive FW trying to employ suicide LAV's. Not entirely true. Lord brew topped the scoreboard during an 0H battle using a jihad jeep and spamming links and hives. They have a role if they are used properly and under the right circumstances. However, I am pretty sure he wasn't accepted for having "Jihad jeep specialist" on his resume. So about those vehicle locks...
Atiim Living Like Larry Schwag 2730	Posted - 2013.12.29 05:20:00 - [38] - Quote KenKaniff69 wrote: AP Grasshopper wrote: Haji trucks are hilariously ineffective cheap shots that attempt to undermined skillful play. You'll be laughed out of PC and competitive FW trying to employ suicide LAV's. Not entirely true. Lord brew topped the scoreboard during an 0H vs AE battle using a jihad jeep and spamming links and hives. They have a role if they are used properly and under the right circumstances. However, I am pretty sure he wasn't accepted for having "Jihad jeep specialist" on his resume. I hope 0.H was the defenders because I would hate to be wasting clones when I only have 120. ...


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