DUST Search - Was the well deserved HMG buff a suckers bet?

HowDidThatTaste wrote:

Korvin Lomont wrote:

HowDidThatTaste wrote:

I suppose since the HMG was finally put back to it almost pre chromosome status we should stand up an cheer!

However I am damn sure no heavy worth his salt who was able to to shoot back at the crazy Assault rifle range. Is happy with the

Short range we have been given! Seriously? You HMG weilders have to wear a suit so slow with a big hit box.

With the only pay offf being your suit is so bad ass no assault rifle wielding player can stand against you.

Are you happy with your 30-59 meter limitation? Its balanced? I use a scram rifle and win every time!

Please heavys don't except 30-59 as your range you have already lost.

Well it depends on the situation and on the map, don't expect CQC weapons to be powerfull at range. They work pretty well in narrow areas and paired with a logi heavies are a force to recon again. Thats great. But inrease the range of such a powerfull weapon would make it OP. (BTW I think the SCR is OP as well its too accurate at CQC)

Interesting

The heavy suit should only be good situationally. ? A scout can run in and out with skill points and sneak up under radar?

An assault suit can decide when he wants to engage the heavy? We will leave the logi topic to another day.

A heavy if so limited to point defense.(heavy should be take point)

Would it not make the most sense to give the fat man? The smallest range, the biggest scan?

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HowDidThatTaste Ancient Exiles. Renegade Alliance 4274	Posted - 2013.12.28 09:44:00 - [1] - Quote I suppose since the HMG was finally put back to it almost pre chromosome status we should stand up an cheer! However I am damn sure no heavy worth his salt who was able to to shoot back at the crazy Assault rifle range. Is happy with the Short range we have been given! Seriously? You HMG weilders have to wear a suit so slow with a big hit box. With the only pay offf being your suit is so bad ass no assault rifle wielding player can stand against you. Are you happy with your 30-59 meter limitation? Its balanced? I use a scram rifle and win every time! Please heavys don't except 30-59 as your range you have already lost.
Kasote Denzara A Vulture 1680	Posted - 2013.12.28 09:47:00 - [2] - Quote I had a HMG try to engage me 50+ away before. I was confused, baffled. I stood there like a deer caught in headlights. Then I blew his brains out with my RR. "Go ahead and dual tank. My Commando dual ganks." -Kasote Denzara The Traitor, in the name of "freedom".
HowDidThatTaste Ancient Exiles. Renegade Alliance 4274	Posted - 2013.12.28 09:57:00 - [3] - Quote Kasote Denzara wrote: I had a HMG try to engage me 50+ away before. I was confused, baffled. I stood there like a deer caught in headlights. Then I blew his brains out with my RR. Enough said. The poor HMG heavy think it is ok to be dominate(and they are) in a small 30-59 range. Rail Rifles, Combat Rifles, own you from atop, across in between, and just straight up face to face. Some of you heavies may speak of the greatness, and I can't tell you how much it was great for me! The assault rifle (insert choice here) will win.
Korvin Lomont United Pwnage Service RISE of LEGION 403	Posted - 2013.12.28 10:01:00 - [4] - Quote HowDidThatTaste wrote: I suppose since the HMG was finally put back to it almost pre chromosome status we should stand up an cheer! However I am damn sure no heavy worth his salt who was able to to shoot back at the crazy Assault rifle range. Is happy with the Short range we have been given! Seriously? You HMG weilders have to wear a suit so slow with a big hit box. With the only pay offf being your suit is so bad ass no assault rifle wielding player can stand against you. Are you happy with your 30-59 meter limitation? Its balanced? I use a scram rifle and win every time! Please heavys don't except 30-59 as your range you have already lost. Well it depends on the situation and on the map, don't expect CQC weapons to be powerfull at range. They work pretty well in narrow areas and paired with a logi heavies are a force to recon again. Thats great. But inrease the range of such a powerfull weapon would make it OP. (BTW I think the SCR is OP as well its too accurate at CQC)
HowDidThatTaste Ancient Exiles. Renegade Alliance 4274	Posted - 2013.12.28 10:13:00 - [5] - Quote Korvin Lomont wrote: HowDidThatTaste wrote: I suppose since the HMG was finally put back to it almost pre chromosome status we should stand up an cheer! However I am damn sure no heavy worth his salt who was able to to shoot back at the crazy Assault rifle range. Is happy with the Short range we have been given! Seriously? You HMG weilders have to wear a suit so slow with a big hit box. With the only pay offf being your suit is so bad ass no assault rifle wielding player can stand against you. Are you happy with your 30-59 meter limitation? Its balanced? I use a scram rifle and win every time! Please heavys don't except 30-59 as your range you have already lost. Well it depends on the situation and on the map, don't expect CQC weapons to be powerfull at range. They work pretty well in narrow areas and paired with a logi heavies are a force to recon again. Thats great. But inrease the range of such a powerfull weapon would make it OP. (BTW I think the SCR is OP as well its too accurate at CQC) Interesting The heavy suit should only be good situationally. ? A scout can run in and out with skill points and sneak up under radar? An assault suit can decide when he wants to engage the heavy? We will leave the logi topic to another day. A heavy if so limited to point defense.(heavy should be take point) Would it not make the most sense to give the fat man? The smallest range, the biggest scan?
CrotchGrab 360 1197	Posted - 2013.12.28 10:33:00 - [6] - Quote Then the heavy needs a new weapon. How can you expect a machine gun like that to dominate at range? Are you saying you want both stopping-power in CQC and long range? The HMG is fine, it's powerful, it annihilates me, I don't have a high HP suit. The heavy relies on support, it relies on logis. As it should do if people are going to play to their class Assault: Rail Rifle range needs a nerf. Logistics: Should be support, not be able to stack health. Heals, resupplies. Heavies: CQC beast, disadvantage at range, relies on logis. Scouts: Recon, fast, hackers. That's how it should work and it would work if the god damned dropsuits were designed for the class they should represent!!
I-Shayz-I I-----I 1756	Posted - 2013.12.28 10:37:00 - [7] - Quote Just wait until you see me running at you faster than an assault suit in my Minmatar Heavy with an HMG. The downside of the HMG is the lack of heavy suit variants, but I do quite well with it anyways using a shield energizer and two armor reps. Rifles are all purpose weapons...but they don't excel in CQC like the HMG, shotgun, or even the SMG. I mean, it's not like HMGs in other games have any sort of long-range stopping power unless they are mounted as turrets and called miniguns. Besides, have we all forgotten that these aren't NORMAL weapons? This gun starts firing the moment you press the trigger (no spin-up time), AND it increases accuracy the moment you fire it. Personally, I'd rather have an HMG liker that than the boring ones in other games that make you control the weapon in bursts to manage accuracy. Links: List of Most Important Threads I make logistics videos!
Viktor Hadah Jr Critical-Impact 1675	Posted - 2013.12.28 10:52:00 - [8] - Quote HowDidThatTaste wrote: I suppose since the HMG was finally put back to it almost pre chromosome status we should stand up an cheer! However I am damn sure no heavy worth his salt who was able to to shoot back at the crazy Assault rifle range. Is happy with the Short range we have been given! Seriously? You HMG weilders have to wear a suit so slow with a big hit box. With the only pay offf being your High HP suit it is so bad ass no assault rifle wielding player can stand against you. Are you happy with your 30-59 meter limitation? Its balanced? I use a scram rifle and win every time! Please heavys don't except 30-59 as your range you have already lost. Are you mad with the range restrictions? That is the point you are suppose to do good in closers and tighter area's as a heavy but then you can also be taken out at range so you are not completely over powered. That it being balanced. you are not suppose to take out an assault or scram rifle at there optimal range you are suppose to take them out at yours. Amarr! Try EVE Online Buying Deamon Shotgun
Baal Omniscient L.O.T.I.S. D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 880	Posted - 2013.12.28 11:12:00 - [9] - Quote If you make HMG's have the range they used to, they'll just get the nerf hammer again a month or so later. By advocating for range increases you are basically pushing for HMG's to end up back at Uprising 1.0 levels a few months from now. I understand where you're coming from, but adding more range is just pushing your luck unless you increase the spread even further. Buff passive scans & fix TTK! My Closed Beta Alts - Overlord Ulath, Overlord Bosse, Overlord Zero
Cody Sietz Bullet Cluster Legacy Rising 1838	Posted - 2013.12.28 11:33:00 - [10] - Quote To be fair, heavies can use light weapons as well. A heavy with a rail is scary as fudge(scary fudge) "I do agree with you there though. shudders" -Arkena Wyrnspire
KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf Dominion of the Supreme Emperor God-King KAGEHOSHI 7647	Posted - 2013.12.28 11:33:00 - [11] - Quote There's always the assault variant, less DPS (like 600) but has more range. I personally feel that the regular HMG should be like the assault variant, and there should be a stat with the current regular HMG. With the HMG being close range instead of mid range (projectiles tend to be mid range), it scares me to think how short range the Gallente heavy plasma weapon will be (they tend to be shot range), but I guess there's always the Amarr heavy laser weapon to look forward to. Gû¦Gû+Supreme emperor god-kingpÇÉKAGEH¦PSHIpÇæ// Lord of the threads // Forum alt Gû¦Gû+
Ivy Zalinto Lo-Tech Solutions Ltd 221	Posted - 2013.12.28 12:45:00 - [12] - Quote Kasote Denzara wrote: I had a HMG try to engage me 50+ away before. I was confused, baffled. I stood there like a deer caught in headlights. Then I blew his brains out with my RR. Sadly people doing this will still send me scurrying sometimes...damn low hp... Dedicated Stealth Scout. Scout instructor; Learning Coalition Scrambler Pistol dedication
Korvin Lomont United Pwnage Service RISE of LEGION 404	Posted - 2013.12.28 13:15:00 - [13] - Quote HowDidThatTaste wrote: Korvin Lomont wrote: HowDidThatTaste wrote: I suppose since the HMG was finally put back to it almost pre chromosome status we should stand up an cheer! However I am damn sure no heavy worth his salt who was able to to shoot back at the crazy Assault rifle range. Is happy with the Short range we have been given! Seriously? You HMG weilders have to wear a suit so slow with a big hit box. With the only pay offf being your suit is so bad ass no assault rifle wielding player can stand against you. Are you happy with your 30-59 meter limitation? Its balanced? I use a scram rifle and win every time! Please heavys don't except 30-59 as your range you have already lost. Well it depends on the situation and on the map, don't expect CQC weapons to be powerfull at range. They work pretty well in narrow areas and paired with a logi heavies are a force to recon again. Thats great. But inrease the range of such a powerfull weapon would make it OP. (BTW I think the SCR is OP as well its too accurate at CQC) Interesting The heavy suit should only be good situationally. ? A scout can run in and out with skill points and sneak up under radar? An assault suit can decide when he wants to engage the heavy? We will leave the logi topic to another day. A heavy if so limited to point defense.(heavy should be take point) Would it not make the most sense to give the fat man? The smallest range, the biggest scan? Scouts are situational as well and I was talking about the weapon slap on a RR and the heavy will do fine at range. Do you expect a SG to be effective at 60m as well? Currently the HMG heavy is designed as point defense by CCP, the HMG heavy CAN assault just slow and more carefull than assaults.
AmlSeb Ministry of War Amarr Empire 7	Posted - 2013.12.28 13:29:00 - [14] - Quote It-¦s a MG so it has the purpose to suppress the enemy over a large area thus it-¦s effective range should be around 120-150 meters with an optimal range of around 50 meters. The actual range is limited anyway by the spread so you can only suppress targets further away than maybe 40 meters.
Jacques Cayton II Providence Guard Templis CALSF 365	Posted - 2013.12.28 13:30:00 - [15] - Quote CrotchGrab 360 wrote: Then the heavy needs a new weapon. How can you expect a machine gun like that to dominate at range? Are you saying you want both stopping-power in CQC and long range? The HMG is fine, it's powerful, it annihilates me, I don't have a high HP suit. The heavy relies on support, it relies on logis. As it should do if people are going to play to their class Assault: Rail Rifle range needs a nerf. Logistics: Should be support, not be able to stack health. Heals, resupplies. Heavies: CQC beast, disadvantage at range, relies on logis. Scouts: Recon, fast, hackers. That's how it should work and it would work if the god damned dropsuits were designed for the class they should represent!! No rail rifle is good stop it and I'm a heavy I know what I'm saying. The hmg is good now not op not up I'm satisfied I rule the city and inclosed areas outside of the city. You get within 30m of me I blast you simple I've had matches where the enemy just stops coming to the objective, I'm not joking it happens alot now. The RR I laugh at it its terrible at cqc and so is the cr unless it's the Assault cr that thing is a beast. The charge on the rail rifle and the fact they have to keep shooting and not stop is so easy to manipulate go into cover he stops move he charges go back to cover. The AR and scr are the two that rule cqc along with assault cr. And if you say otherwise then your not a true heavy and don't know how to play as s heavy We fight for the future of the State not our personal goals
BATTOUSAI THE MANSLAYER Robbing The Hood Public Disorder. 14	Posted - 2013.12.28 13:32:00 - [16] - Quote Proto heavy, boundless hmg, constant core focus rep tool. AR says what?
Ryder Azorria Amarr Templars Amarr Empire 763	Posted - 2013.12.28 14:16:00 - [17] - Quote Cody Sietz wrote: To be fair, heavies can use light weapons as well. A heavy with a rail is scary as fudge(scary fudge) A yes, fudge - the most fearsome of all confectionery...
The Attorney General 1705	Posted - 2013.12.28 14:20:00 - [18] - Quote Just get a logi who can shoot and has a RR. You deal with the short range, he takes the long. Teamwork is OP. Mr. Hybrid Vayu.
Gelan Corbaine Gladiators Vanguard 267	Posted - 2013.12.28 14:35:00 - [19] - Quote I'mma gonna wait till the Minnie Heavy comes out .. I mean what if they are like the old type-b's ? I loved my type B ......I miss might type B . As is we are trying to fit a minnie weapon on an amarrian suit. Two things made by two empires with two different design philosophies mainly designed to counter each other ,,, That's bound to cause a bit of conflict . Can it be effective ? Sure ! You can fit Autocannons to a Myrm an be deadly effiective . But you can't say either item is being used to it's fullest potential . No job is worth doing if you don't get paid in the end .
Ghermard-ol Dizeriois Maphia Clan Corporation 29	Posted - 2013.12.28 15:42:00 - [20] - Quote I've started using the Heavy only fairly recently, and TBH I can't say much for now, but I've tasted how powerful "normal" enemies are at mid range, right outside the destruction cone of my HMG. Quite disappointing, but in CQC enemies will have bad times gunning me down! If you're an hacker, a cheater o a glitcher, you deserve death. In real life.
XxWarlordxX97 Ancient Exiles. Renegade Alliance 4126	Posted - 2013.12.28 16:17:00 - [21] - Quote The heavy should laugh when a guy shots at him, and the HMGs nick name is Death engine is it" NO"!!!!!! HMG Should be OP Level 5 forum warrior A Solo heavy Boss I.E. made me OP
HowDidThatTaste Ancient Exiles. Renegade Alliance 4274	Posted - 2013.12.28 17:03:00 - [22] - Quote Viktor Hadah Jr wrote: HowDidThatTaste wrote: I suppose since the HMG was finally put back to it almost pre chromosome status we should stand up an cheer! However I am damn sure no heavy worth his salt who was able to to shoot back at the crazy Assault rifle range. Is happy with the Short range we have been given! Seriously? You HMG weilders have to wear a suit so slow with a big hit box. With the only pay offf being your High HP suit it is so bad ass no assault rifle wielding player can stand against you. Are you happy with your 30-59 meter limitation? Its balanced? I use a scram rifle and win every time! Please heavys don't except 30-59 as your range you have already lost. Are you mad with the range restrictions? That is the point you are suppose to do good in closers and tighter area's as a heavy but then you can also be taken out at range so you are not completely over powered. That it being balanced. you are not suppose to take out an assault or scram rifle at there optimal range you are suppose to take them out at yours. Yes the range is dumb for an HMG I can take out most heavies in cqc with a scram rifle and I certainly can take them out at range. Yes get a logi heavy then I can get two kills. Yes the weapon is great now in cqc however with the size of the maps and the range of the rifles it just does not belong on a huge hit box slow moving suit. A rifle is better in both situations and has freedom of movement of pick engament ranges, while the heavy has no choices.
Flix Keptick Red Star. EoN. 3181	Posted - 2013.12.28 17:23:00 - [23] - Quote Miniguns are pinpoint accurate, 1000m range, doom cannons... IRL.... Lack of content makes stuff broken... Tank driver // specialized tank destroyer

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