DUST Search - Possible Fix to pub issues.

Void Echo wrote:

Ghosts Chance wrote:

Void Echo wrote:

Ghosts Chance wrote:

the biggest threat to pub balance isnt gear!

its squads!

matchmaking doesnt seem to think squads are important and so teams are one sided because one side has 1-2 organised squads and the other one doesnt.

your solution does nothing to remedy this and so we would have the same problem.

i tested this with my guys, we all made basic suits and STOMPED the hell out of randoms with em. your fix would not prevent this.

read very carefully, this would possibly fix the problem of proto stomping because proto would not be allowed in fights against militia or std gear, what this will not fix is people who stomp with militia gear alone, read before you say something.

yah but proto stomping on its own is harmless... a single guy in proto gear isnt doing much in a pub game.

its the whole squad of them that create that scenario, and while limiting gear will remove the ptoto aspect of that, vetrens will just max out lower tiered suits and do it that way. its the squads that arnt being balanced in games creating all this "stomping" so you can remove the proto this way you cant remove the "stomp" making the whole solution pointless as it doesnt solve the actual problem

the pub issue is the stomp, not the proto

your not listening, by doing this, were making it so that new players can feel like they actually can make it, instead of being put against full proto pussies, they will be put against people with the same level of gear


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Ghosts Chance Inf4m0us 615	Posted - 2013.12.28 18:20:00 - [1] - Quote the biggest threat to pub balance isnt gear! its squads! matchmaking doesnt seem to think squads are important and so teams are one sided because one side has 1-2 organised squads and the other one doesnt. your solution does nothing to remedy this and so we would have the same problem. i tested this with my guys, we all made basic suits and STOMPED the hell out of randoms with em. your fix would not prevent this. (edit for erxpansion: when the amrket comes out your changes would make militia stomping THE best isk making things an organised fac war corp could do, FLOODING the militia games with vetrens out for quick money so they can get back into fac war or stock up on high price things. that is if they dont find a way to make fac war profitable on its own at that time. it would also create a twinking bracket where vetrens MAX out militia or basic setups and spend their days farming new players, inflating their scores while making craptons of isk)
Ghosts Chance Inf4m0us 615	Posted - 2013.12.28 18:26:00 - [2] - Quote Void Echo wrote: Ghosts Chance wrote: the biggest threat to pub balance isnt gear! its squads! matchmaking doesnt seem to think squads are important and so teams are one sided because one side has 1-2 organised squads and the other one doesnt. your solution does nothing to remedy this and so we would have the same problem. i tested this with my guys, we all made basic suits and STOMPED the hell out of randoms with em. your fix would not prevent this. read very carefully, this would possibly fix the problem of proto stomping because proto would not be allowed in fights against militia or std gear, what this will not fix is people who stomp with militia gear alone, read before you say something. yah but proto stomping on its own is harmless... a single guy in proto gear isnt doing much in a pub game. its the whole squad of them that create that scenario, and while limiting gear will remove the ptoto aspect of that, vetrens will just max out lower tiered suits and do it that way. its the squads that arnt being balanced in games creating all this "stomping" so you can remove the proto this way you cant remove the "stomp" making the whole solution pointless as it doesnt solve the actual problem the pub issue is the stomp, not the proto
Ghosts Chance Inf4m0us 615	Posted - 2013.12.28 18:45:00 - [3] - Quote Void Echo wrote: Ghosts Chance wrote: Void Echo wrote: Ghosts Chance wrote: the biggest threat to pub balance isnt gear! its squads! matchmaking doesnt seem to think squads are important and so teams are one sided because one side has 1-2 organised squads and the other one doesnt. your solution does nothing to remedy this and so we would have the same problem. i tested this with my guys, we all made basic suits and STOMPED the hell out of randoms with em. your fix would not prevent this. read very carefully, this would possibly fix the problem of proto stomping because proto would not be allowed in fights against militia or std gear, what this will not fix is people who stomp with militia gear alone, read before you say something. yah but proto stomping on its own is harmless... a single guy in proto gear isnt doing much in a pub game. its the whole squad of them that create that scenario, and while limiting gear will remove the ptoto aspect of that, vetrens will just max out lower tiered suits and do it that way. its the squads that arnt being balanced in games creating all this "stomping" so you can remove the proto this way you cant remove the "stomp" making the whole solution pointless as it doesnt solve the actual problem the pub issue is the stomp, not the proto your not listening, by doing this, were making it so that new players can feel like they actually can make it, instead of being put against full proto pussies, they will be put against people with the same level of gear and YOUR not listening, GEAR is meaningless, its organisation that makes those squads so effective. so while they may be in the same level of gear, they will be against 25+mil SP vets in full squads with maxed passive skills. your solution removes proto gear without removing the stomp. it also invalidates several tiers of gear for players not in PC or competitive fac war. no need to get above basic gear. and the problem with pubs isnt the gear, its the stomp so your not fixing any pub issues with it.