DUST Search - TTK is a problem

Th3rdSun wrote:

meri jin wrote:

Sinboto Simmons wrote:

Did you just.......complain about a standard scout?

My brain hurts........

@Kasote Denzara
Spamming corpses is not skill.

@Th3rdSun
I know MAG and I know that there are other shooters (I play Killzone Shadowfall and BF4 right now) with a very low TTK, but is this what dust should be? Personally I was hoping for dust to become different, seeing Dust aligning with other shooters on the bad feature more and more I just feel sad for this game and it's potential. Why aligning on low TTK and not on weapon customization? Why aligning on low TTK and not on weapon/armor skins for more personalization? Just tank this question and ask yourself "Why aligning on low TTK and not on..." and I'm sure you will find some feature that you would rather see then this trend.

I guess you missed my point.

My point was,no matter what people think about TTK,it's higher than any other shooter out there.I've been saying this for a very long time,but one of the things that probably should happen to balance the game out,is to decrease the amount of ammo in a clip for ARs.This would force Logis to be Logis,more tactical movement with your squad,more people focusing fire on single targets instead of everyone wanting to be Rambo.

This one little adjustment could very well go a long way and have the biggest impact in balancing out the game.

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meri jin Goonfeet Special Planetary Emergency Response Group 652	Posted - 2013.12.27 18:26:00 - [1] - Quote Hi everyone. Today I gave Dust another chance after enjoying some fun on my ps4. Well I can only support my two rl friends who complained about dust bad game play and "strange" relations in gear/sp/isk. In public matches I run a 50k isk suit the most time. This suit needs around 12 mil sp. This suit is completely capped. No more cpu, no pg. It's gallente logi. All skill related to used modules are level 5 (weapons excluded). Today I killed heavys and protos with a little effort. Mediums was nearly always "who shoots first win". And then there are scout(s!). The one I met in some matches run full blueprint crap equip, dragonfly suit and 'dren' shot gun. They one or two shot me. The game style was more or less a kamikaze rush. A very successful way to frustrate players like me. Zero risk, zero lost in isk. In eve there are tactics flying cheep ships like T1 cruisers against expensive fleets butt this needs an experienced FC, a tactic, intel, key ships (bubble for example) and other unexpected variables. And still, you always have the risk in loosing your ship or even worse, when this was home def you are using a high imp clone and have clone jump cool down >.>. You might loose this expansive egg... And where is the risk and skill in running full blueprint? I hope to see blueprints remove and a makeover to a bigger TTK. (I will miss my vehicle blues) So, I'm going back to my "meaningless" shooters on my PS4, but och boy, they are fun! PS: Sorry for bad grammar, I will fix it tomorrow when I'm less hammered ;). My EVE pilot have more ISK then your peon corp.
TheAmazing FlyingPig Crux Special Tasks Group Gallente Federation 5130	Posted - 2013.12.27 18:33:00 - [2] - Quote Is it so hard to substitute lettuce for sour cream on a taco? Seriously, half the time I go to Taco Bell, when I ask to substitute the lettuce for sour cream, the ******* just put both on. I swear I must've punched a bag of kittens in a previous life to deserve this. Never forget How to fix the Logi
Flix Keptick Red Star. EoN. 3176	Posted - 2013.12.27 18:40:00 - [3] - Quote lol Lack of content makes stuff broken... Tank driver // specialized tank destroyer
BMSTUBBY KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION 548	Posted - 2013.12.27 18:51:00 - [4] - Quote TheAmazing FlyingPig wrote: Is it so hard to substitute lettuce for sour cream on a taco? Seriously, half the time I go to Taco Bell, when I ask to substitute the lettuce for sour cream, the ******* just put both on. I swear I must've punched a bag of kittens in a previous life to deserve this. Hard or soft shell? Meh, F2P Lobby Shooter BattleDuty 514 Working as intended.
TheAmazing FlyingPig Crux Special Tasks Group Gallente Federation 5132	Posted - 2013.12.27 18:55:00 - [5] - Quote BMSTUBBY wrote: TheAmazing FlyingPig wrote: Is it so hard to substitute lettuce for sour cream on a taco? Seriously, half the time I go to Taco Bell, when I ask to substitute the lettuce for sour cream, the ******* just put both on. I swear I must've punched a bag of kittens in a previous life to deserve this. Hard or soft shell? Hard. I love those cheesy Locos Tacos. Goes great with the sour cream, provided you can time your visit to coincide with a competent employee's shift. Never forget How to fix the Logi
Dustbunny Durrr ReD or DeaD 21	Posted - 2013.12.27 21:11:00 - [6] - Quote meri jin wrote: In public matches I run a 50k isk suit the most time. I used to run a similar suit cost, but have evolved my suits to a faster TTK. Most of my suits are now in the 12-20K Range. With the lower TTK, Dust is becoming much more like EVE, where an exponential increase in ISK is needed for just a modest increase in survivability. Your skillpoints and suit shouldn't be winning you the fight, they should merely put you at a slight advantage, the rest is skill. Quote: Today I killed heavys and protos with a little effort. Mediums was nearly always "who shoots first win". While there are exceptions (trust me, try to kill a heavy suit with a combat rifle without damage mods in a light suit), the game has changed and your assumption of "who shoots first wins" is becoming more true. What you need to do is adapt to the new style. Scanners are now much more important, because they will help you shoot first, and therefore, win. And of course, the answer to scanners is dampeners, which are now much more important too, because they keep the opponent from shooting first, and therefore winning (combine the two for good effect). And always keep in mind, for those pesky scouts, that their weakness is range. If you can keep them out of their short range (nova knife/shotty), you always have the advantage, and it doesn't take very many shots to put them down.
Protocake JR Royal Uhlans Amarr Empire 1205	Posted - 2013.12.27 21:27:00 - [7] - Quote These are my favorite noob posts. "Where is the tactics?", implying there are no tactics involved in this game. The tactics are there. They will always be there. They are just different from the tactics in EVE because....well... EVE is a completely different ******* game when it comes to moment-to-moment mechanics. Tactics in FPS takes actual muscle memory, quick reflexes, map memory, and a good assessment of the current situation. So it's no surprise that by the time you complete your cost-benefit analysis spreadsheet, you've probably been already kicked for AFKing or gunned in the face by a militia blueprint SG. The PC and SL should fit into the Sidearm slot so it's accessible and practical to carry one. AV spam vs V spam
Kira Takizawa 2Shitz 1Giggle 81	Posted - 2013.12.28 09:30:00 - [8] - Quote Yeah get rid of BPO's! I'll just go back to militia fittings.. :3 You solve nothing
Kasote Denzara A Vulture 1680	Posted - 2013.12.28 09:45:00 - [9] - Quote Using standard BPOs (Valor, 'Dren', ect) with standard modules and killing protogear = more skill than using protogear to kill other protogear. Just sayin'. "Go ahead and dual tank. My Commando dual ganks." -Kasote Denzara The Traitor, in the name of "freedom".
Arx Ardashir Imperium Aeternum 301	Posted - 2013.12.28 09:46:00 - [10] - Quote TheAmazing FlyingPig wrote: Is it so hard to substitute lettuce for sour cream on a taco? Seriously, half the time I go to Taco Bell, when I ask to substitute the lettuce for sour cream, the ******* just put both on. I swear I must've punched a bag of kittens in a previous life to deserve this. I'm beginning to see how you have 5100 likes, sir. Amarr HAV Speculation

Beeeees KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION 355	Posted - 2013.12.28 10:28:00 - [11] - Quote Protocake JR wrote: Tactics in FPS takes actual muscle memory, quick reflexes, map memory, and a good assessment of the current situation. Yeah keep telling yourself that. Since auto aim none of that **** matters. The only thing that matters is who got more scanners and DPS.
Protocake JR Royal Uhlans Amarr Empire 1206	Posted - 2013.12.28 15:35:00 - [12] - Quote Beeeees wrote: Protocake JR wrote: Tactics in FPS takes actual muscle memory, quick reflexes, map memory, and a good assessment of the current situation. Yeah keep telling yourself that. Since auto aim none of that **** matters. The only thing that matters is who got more scanners and DPS. Except that is a bit of an exaggeration I'm still able to strafe (in an Amarr Assault and Minmard Assault) and throw people off their aim. But yeah, the scanners thing needs to be fixed. The PC and SL should fit into the Sidearm slot so it's accessible and practical to carry one. AV spam vs V spam
Th3rdSun L.O.T.I.S. D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 533	Posted - 2013.12.28 15:52:00 - [13] - Quote It's funny to hear people complaining about TTK being too low.My suggestion is that they test out MAG while the servers are still up,then you'll see what it's like to not be able to take more than a few shots from ARs. The problem isn't as much TTK being too low,rather the damage detection seems to be just a little inaccurate at time,so you can't pinpoint exactly where you are getting shot from.Also,the biggest problem is the rotation speed of your character is still too slow,even with KB/M,so as you are getting shot in the back,you are very often dead before you get a chance to turn 180 and return fire. I'd say if CCP fixed those two things,there would be a lot less complaining about TTK.
Sinboto Simmons SVER True Blood Public Disorder. 3538	Posted - 2013.12.28 15:57:00 - [14] - Quote Did you just.......complain about a standard scout? My brain hurts........ Sinboto - The True Blood Minja Forum Warrior level 3 STB-Infantry (Demolition)
Mortedeamor 1144	Posted - 2013.12.28 15:57:00 - [15] - Quote dont think ive run into a meaningless fps..that wasnt better than dust in anyway why use suits when ccp gave us nice shiny op as hell tanks that cost next to nothing
meri jin Goonfeet Special Planetary Emergency Response Group 655	Posted - 2013.12.30 10:04:00 - [16] - Quote Sinboto Simmons wrote: Did you just.......complain about a standard scout? My brain hurts........ Not really scouts. It's about people blindly spamming you with "clones corpses", without risk or waste. @Dustbunny Durrr I really rarely do public matches on my own, only if time is short. In my corp I stick to my higher logi modules, the suit become more expansive without a higher tank. But quality nano hives, needles, repair modules etc. are expansive. In regular public matches, when I'm alone I'm going to use the most dirt-cheep Logi modules. Maybe switch my tank from meta 4 to a lover in "single public matches". @Protocake JR Good to see that the Dust community is as poisonous as the eve community, you are a very good example. Anyway, you can make as much fun of eve pilots as you like, Dust in the meantime still have it's problems. Having a half baked shooter with low TTK is getting Dust nowhere. This game going inline with other "military" shooters and have nothing to offer besides that is has become a lobby shooter. At last we don't have this "knifing-one-with-stupid-animation-thing". @Kasote Denzara Spamming corpses is not skill. @Th3rdSun I know MAG and I know that there are other shooters (I play Killzone Shadowfall and BF4 right now) with a very low TTK, but is this what dust should be? Personally I was hoping for dust to become different, seeing Dust aligning with other shooters on the bad feature more and more I just feel sad for this game and it's potential. Why aligning on low TTK and not on weapon customization? Why aligning on low TTK and not on weapon/armor skins for more personalization? Just tank this question and ask yourself "Why aligning on low TTK and not on..." and I'm sure you will find some feature that you would rather see then this trend. @Mortedeamor I used to love dust, now I just see this game as a unfinished product from CCP to earn one piece from the FPS and FTP cake. Some of my friends are already betting that this game is going to be canceled. I personally don't thing that this is going to happen, I know CCP for some years now, they will manage it, but hopefully in the next half year. My EVE pilot have more ISK then your peon corp.
Th3rdSun L.O.T.I.S. D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 543	Posted - 2013.12.30 17:28:00 - [17] - Quote meri jin wrote: Sinboto Simmons wrote: Did you just.......complain about a standard scout? My brain hurts........ @Kasote Denzara Spamming corpses is not skill. @Th3rdSun I know MAG and I know that there are other shooters (I play Killzone Shadowfall and BF4 right now) with a very low TTK, but is this what dust should be? Personally I was hoping for dust to become different, seeing Dust aligning with other shooters on the bad feature more and more I just feel sad for this game and it's potential. Why aligning on low TTK and not on weapon customization? Why aligning on low TTK and not on weapon/armor skins for more personalization? Just tank this question and ask yourself "Why aligning on low TTK and not on..." and I'm sure you will find some feature that you would rather see then this trend. I guess you missed my point. My point was,no matter what people think about TTK,it's higher than any other shooter out there.I've been saying this for a very long time,but one of the things that probably should happen to balance the game out,is to decrease the amount of ammo in a clip for ARs.This would force Logis to be Logis,more tactical movement with your squad,more people focusing fire on single targets instead of everyone wanting to be Rambo. This one little adjustment could very well go a long way and have the biggest impact in balancing out the game.
meri jin Goonfeet Special Planetary Emergency Response Group 656	Posted - 2013.12.30 18:18:00 - [18] - Quote Th3rdSun wrote: meri jin wrote: Sinboto Simmons wrote: Did you just.......complain about a standard scout? My brain hurts........ @Kasote Denzara Spamming corpses is not skill. @Th3rdSun I know MAG and I know that there are other shooters (I play Killzone Shadowfall and BF4 right now) with a very low TTK, but is this what dust should be? Personally I was hoping for dust to become different, seeing Dust aligning with other shooters on the bad feature more and more I just feel sad for this game and it's potential. Why aligning on low TTK and not on weapon customization? Why aligning on low TTK and not on weapon/armor skins for more personalization? Just tank this question and ask yourself "Why aligning on low TTK and not on..." and I'm sure you will find some feature that you would rather see then this trend. I guess you missed my point. My point was,no matter what people think about TTK,it's higher than any other shooter out there.I've been saying this for a very long time,but one of the things that probably should happen to balance the game out,is to decrease the amount of ammo in a clip for ARs.This would force Logis to be Logis,more tactical movement with your squad,more people focusing fire on single targets instead of everyone wanting to be Rambo. This one little adjustment could very well go a long way and have the biggest impact in balancing out the game. Yes it is one of the highest TTKs, I'm on your side. It makes me just nevus to see the TTK going down so rapidly. Lower clip size? May be yes. But wouldn't then again other weapons take the overhand? My EVE pilot have more ISK then your peon corp.
BMSTUBBY KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION 553	Posted - 2013.12.30 18:23:00 - [19] - Quote meri jin wrote: @Th3rdSun I know MAG and I know that there are other shooters (I play Killzone Shadowfall and BF4 right now) with a very low TTK, but is this what dust should be? Personally I was hoping for dust to become different, seeing Dust aligning with other shooters on the bad feature more and more I just feel sad for this game and it's potential. Why aligning on low TTK and not on weapon customization? Why aligning on low TTK and not on weapon/armor skins for more personalization? Just tank this question and ask yourself "Why aligning on low TTK and not on..." and I'm sure you will find some feature that you would rather see then this trend. Its simple really. Killzone Shadowfall and BF4 make money and millions play them. So if you can't beat them then join them. Welcome to BattleDuty 514. Meh, F2P Lobby Shooter BattleDuty 514 Working as intended.
trraacx Seituoda Taskforce Command Caldari State 51	Posted - 2013.12.30 18:50:00 - [20] - Quote I like where the game is going. It would be interesting to see that stats on matchups but from my experience, proto still rules but not as wickedly as it used to. I was able to squad up with my very young son last night. First match out of battle academy with less that 5K SP allocated he went 9/4 with a starter fit. I went something like 1/8. The game is more balanced toward actual skill now than it has ever been. Scouts are great cheap fun for times when you are being protostomped. They would never get me to the upper half of the leaderboard.

Beeeees KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION 356	Posted - 2013.12.30 19:15:00 - [21] - Quote Protocake JR wrote: Except that is a bit of an exaggeration Except its not, not a single bit exaggerated.
Nestil Seraphim Auxiliaries 96	Posted - 2013.12.30 19:39:00 - [22] - Quote fast TTK is good. it gives the beginners at least a slight chance of killing the better geared enemies. the proto players would have killed them much faster anyways.... so i think keeping the TTK is ok.


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