DUST Search - Since you nerfed my Lai Dai packed AV grenades so far into the ground

Atiim wrote:

Heathen Bastard wrote:

yup, because it wasn't OP for ANY city based map(all of them) to be an absolute deathtrap for tanks.

"We need you to help push in the city"
"really? because you all know that this tank is dead in the city, right?"

6 seconds into the city, I get hit with 8 packed grenades that were thrown from 5 people. Over walls, from well behind cover, two from a rooftop. 3 of them exploded on my burning wreckage from the first 5.

Yeah, it definitely wasn't OP to have the most damaging AV weapon also be the only one that can be used from well behind cover, over walls, or just dropped in the street to wait for a tank like a better version of an PE.

so you had to get within 30 meters of a tank.with cover(or really any city map that had a wall) you were effectively immortal, that close to my tank, and you had enough punch to destroy my tank, while I couldn't touch you.

So sorry that your grenade is no longer the best AV weapon in the game by light-years.

That's called being situational. Let's clarify.

Tanks are a NICHE. And just like other NICHES they need to perform well in their respective NICHE, while performing terribly outside of their NICHE.

Tanks are good in mid range combat and open fields, but doesn't do well in CQC areas such as a city due to AV grenades. (At least that's how they were before the tank buff. Now the only thing a tank isn't good for is hacking. lol nvm you can just butcher the enemy clone reserves anyway.)

30m? Try 10m. If you want to throw from 30m then you have to adjust your arc significantly, giving the pilot tons of time to react, as you won't be able to throw them in rapid succession.

Most Damaging weapon? Not even close. And this would require the tank to be within 10-15m of you, be piloted by a bad driver, and/or not be using an active scanner.

Behind Cover? Here's the thing. EVERY AV WEAPON BESIDES SWARM LAUNCHERS AND BREACH FORGE GUNS CAN BE USED BEHIND COVER. (To an extent).

You now have the ability to stomp infantry with theoretical impunity. Your point?

If you hear the words "WORTH IT!" look about, something hilarious just happened.


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Heathen Bastard The Bastard Brigade 809	Posted - 2013.12.26 00:28:00 - [1] - Quote yup, because it wasn't OP for ANY city based map(all of them) to be an absolute deathtrap for tanks. "We need you to help push in the city" "really? because you all know that this tank is dead in the city, right?" 6 seconds into the city, I get hit with 8 packed grenades that were thrown from 5 people. Over walls, from well behind cover, two from a rooftop. 3 of them exploded on my burning wreckage from the first 5. Yeah, it definitely wasn't OP to have the most damaging AV weapon also be the only one that can be used from well behind cover, over walls, or just dropped in the street to wait for a tank like a better version of an PE. so you had to get within 30 meters of a tank.with cover(or really any city map that had a wall) you were effectively immortal, that close to my tank, and you had enough punch to destroy my tank, while I couldn't touch you. So sorry that your grenade is no longer the best AV weapon in the game by light-years. If you hear the words "WORTH IT!" look about, something hilarious just happened.
Heathen Bastard The Bastard Brigade 809	Posted - 2013.12.26 00:56:00 - [2] - Quote stlcarlos989 wrote: Heathen Bastard wrote: yup, because it wasn't OP for ANY city based map(all of them) to be an absolute deathtrap for tanks. "We need you to help push in the city" "really? because you all know that this tank is dead in the city, right?" 6 seconds into the city, I get hit with 8 packed grenades that were thrown from 5 people. Over walls, from well behind cover, two from a rooftop. 3 of them exploded on my burning wreckage from the first 5. Yeah, it definitely wasn't OP to have the most damaging AV weapon also be the only one that can be used from well behind cover, over walls, or just dropped in the street to wait for a tank like a better version of an PE. so you had to get within 30 meters of a tank.with cover(or really any city map that had a wall) you were effectively immortal, that close to my tank, and you had enough punch to destroy my tank, while I couldn't touch you. So sorry that your grenade is no longer the best AV weapon in the game by light-years. So if CCP introduced a dropsuit that comes with a weapon that at militia and standard levels destroys every type of infantry and vehicles with ease and requires 3 prototype players specifically skilled to just take out that dropsuit and by skilling into this dropsuit's counter they then are almost useless against other infantry, making the best counter the same suit. Yup that sounds like balance Oh and also its only twice as expensive as full proto equipment logis suits which can cost up to 300k yup. at least it's only a combined 6 million SP to kill a single player's 8. Act high and mighty all you want, but you were abusing the balls out of broken weaponry. You'll probably only have to deal with a single patch of not completely killing every single tank you see in 5 seconds or less. Know why? The ARtards are crying, and CCP listens to them above any other portion of their playerbase. If you hear the words "WORTH IT!" look about, something hilarious just happened.
Heathen Bastard The Bastard Brigade 809	Posted - 2013.12.26 02:21:00 - [3] - Quote Ryme Intrinseca wrote: Heathen Bastard wrote: 6 seconds into the city, I get hit with 8 packed grenades that were thrown from 5 people. Over walls, from well behind cover, two from a rooftop. 3 of them exploded on my burning wreckage from the first 5. Yeah, it's totally unfair that 5 people using teamwork could take out one Leeroy Jenkins Yup, especially when I was in squad, and on orders to suppress the guys in the city with a tank. Such leeroy jenkins-ing, right? yeah, tanks got a buff, and we only had to have a massive fit over being nerfed for 6 straight months. The ARs have yet to get a major nerf, unless it's totally and completely broken(tac rifle) and even then, were you even around for the massive ****storm that happened when the "pro" players lost their crutch? Tanks had to be on the short end of the stick for half a year. You haven't even been on the short end for 3 weeks yet. So, cram it. If you hear the words "WORTH IT!" look about, something hilarious just happened.
Heathen Bastard The Bastard Brigade 809	Posted - 2013.12.26 02:44:00 - [4] - Quote stlcarlos989 wrote: Heathen Bastard wrote: Ryme Intrinseca wrote: Heathen Bastard wrote: 6 seconds into the city, I get hit with 8 packed grenades that were thrown from 5 people. Over walls, from well behind cover, two from a rooftop. 3 of them exploded on my burning wreckage from the first 5. Yeah, it's totally unfair that 5 people using teamwork could take out one Leeroy Jenkins Yup, especially when I was in squad, and on orders to suppress the guys in the city with a tank. Such leeroy jenkins-ing, right? yeah, tanks got a buff, and we only had to have a massive fit over being nerfed for 6 straight months. The ARs have yet to get a major nerf, unless it's totally and completely broken(tac rifle) and even then, were you even around for the massive ****storm that happened when the "pro" players lost their crutch? Tanks had to be on the short end of the stick for half a year. You haven't even been on the short end for 3 weeks yet. So, cram it. You do realize that the SCR, CR, and RR are all way better than the AR and also the HMG got a serious Buff. Again how oblivious are you? Not so much as you. You do realize that they're made to be used differently, don't you? Or are you trying to be rambo and ignoring cover? How strange that the people that get killed by those aren't whining like little girls... Oh right, it's because the two new guns are new so they're expected to be OP, the SCR has always had the highest alpha strike, and the HMG was a joke for the last few months and is now performing as expected. But people got used to tanks being made of cheap tissue paper, so now that they're not, the AV players are whining. I come from well back, closed beta. You know that AV used to actually be job? Not just a "switch, kill tank before you have to reload, switch back to my proto slayer suit" thing, but an honest to goodness role for someone to do for the whole match, to memorize the maps, the strategies, the fitting grade by health of vehicle. To organize squads with, logi, slayer, heavy/slayer, AV guy. Now that AV is a role again, you guys don't know how to adapt since all the old AVers stopped playing or changed their role. Tankers? We got better, we had to. Now you're dealing with tankers who could survive paper tanks(suicide orders aside) fighting against weaker AV with stronger tanks. Or jackasses who abuse the FOTM spamming the crap out of MLT tanks(which, even real tankers are agreeing are far to strong for no investment) I wonder which section of this you're going to respond to this time. If you hear the words "WORTH IT!" look about, something hilarious just happened.
Heathen Bastard The Bastard Brigade 809	Posted - 2013.12.26 03:07:00 - [5] - Quote Nice of you to do so. And if you played E3 build, then you saw tanks in true and terrible form(Back when proto tanks were a thing.) You should realize then, that it could be significantly worse than it is now. Be happy that they didn't bring that back. If you hear the words "WORTH IT!" look about, something hilarious just happened.
Heathen Bastard The Bastard Brigade 809	Posted - 2013.12.26 04:21:00 - [6] - Quote Atiim wrote: Heathen Bastard wrote: yup, because it wasn't OP for ANY city based map(all of them) to be an absolute deathtrap for tanks. "We need you to help push in the city" "really? because you all know that this tank is dead in the city, right?" 6 seconds into the city, I get hit with 8 packed grenades that were thrown from 5 people. Over walls, from well behind cover, two from a rooftop. 3 of them exploded on my burning wreckage from the first 5. Yeah, it definitely wasn't OP to have the most damaging AV weapon also be the only one that can be used from well behind cover, over walls, or just dropped in the street to wait for a tank like a better version of an PE. so you had to get within 30 meters of a tank.with cover(or really any city map that had a wall) you were effectively immortal, that close to my tank, and you had enough punch to destroy my tank, while I couldn't touch you. So sorry that your grenade is no longer the best AV weapon in the game by light-years. That's called being situational. Let's clarify. Tanks are a NICHE. And just like other NICHES they need to perform well in their respective NICHE, while performing terribly outside of their NICHE. Tanks are good in mid range combat and open fields, but doesn't do well in CQC areas such as a city due to AV grenades. (At least that's how they were before the tank buff. Now the only thing a tank isn't good for is hacking. lol nvm you can just butcher the enemy clone reserves anyway.) 30m? Try 10m. If you want to throw from 30m then you have to adjust your arc significantly, giving the pilot tons of time to react, as you won't be able to throw them in rapid succession. Most Damaging weapon? Not even close. And this would require the tank to be within 10-15m of you, be piloted by a bad driver, and/or not be using an active scanner. Behind Cover? Here's the thing. EVERY AV WEAPON BESIDES SWARM LAUNCHERS AND BREACH FORGE GUNS CAN BE USED BEHIND COVER. (To an extent). You now have the ability to stomp infantry with theoretical impunity. Your point? Someone never even used a tank last build. "Situational", Yeah, that was a thing, the situation was "holy hairy balls of thor, I can see further than 30 meters with my railgun!" Otherwise it was "Well, I'm in a good position, but I can't see ** because nothing renders pas-- OH CHRIST, SWAR-dead. F this. I'll go play a game that actually works." and I was unaware that the angle of your throw suddenly made the time between throws take longer, oh wait, it doesn't it just makes them take longer to get there, they'll all still hit since the tank couldn't accelerate away fast enough from the first impact, it does not effect the interval of damage, just the time before the first impact occurs. and you mean... none of the av weapons? since there are 3(swarms, forges, AV nades)? oh right, remotes but at least those you could pretend required some forethought beyond" oh look, tank. SPAMSPAMSPAMSPA-dead tank". So, your point is that you were personally worth less than a bucket of flaming pig** with them. And that somehow means that AV wasn't OP for 6 months while tanks got nerfed deeper and deeper into the floorboards. Well, I wasn't that good with a tac rifle, so they should be buffed back up to gamebreaker levels then, right? If you hear the words "WORTH IT!" look about, something hilarious just happened.