Neither of them should be good in CQC

No, forge gun is EZ MOAD.

1) get on roof
2) shoot at everything below
3) laugh at those who try to remove you from your perch

No, forge gun is EZ MOAD.

1) get on roof
2) shoot at everything below
3) laugh at those who try to remove you from your perch

It actually does take skill to aim with those Forge Guns, or maybe I just suck

Every rifle is a bit EZ mode right now. It's difficult to achieve a tactical, squad-based game when the 600+ dps rifles create a more CoD-like environment.

ACR should still beat SCRs and RRs in CQC, with ARs beating all(ARs) in CQC.

std RR is somehow better than proto ACR in CQC.

I use the proto RR with prof 3. It's crap in CQC, to the point that I've gone back to the AR despite the RR dominance at range.

Let's break it down. To start with, the theoretical DPS is virtually identical to the AR, ACR, AScR, and much lower than the ScR and CR. Don't have the numbers to hand but it's easy to work out, just damage*RPM/60 (CR is slightly more complicated due to burst interval having to be factored in).

Then there's the 0.25 second charge up. So in the first second of firing RR is only getting 75% of the (already mediocre) theoretical damage and the weapon is outclassed by everything.

But wait, there's more. You know how, with a normal gun, if you lose tracking for a fraction of a second (e.g. target went round corner or moved past you), you just stop firing and resume when you have tracking back? Well doing that with RR reduces your DPS to comically low levels. For instance, half a second of fire, 0.25 seconds to acquire target, half a second of fire, 0.25 seconds to acquire target, half a second of fire gives you half as much DPS as AR/ACR/AScR with the same fire pattern, as the rail is losing half of its firing time to charge up. Losing tracking, even more than once, is not at all unusual in CQC and puts the RR user at a massive disadvantage.

People say you can negate the charge up by pre-firing. That can help a little, but it's very situational. It's useless if (1) you've not seen the target before you've shot them, or (2) you've seen them but you're not sure that they're coming into your line of fire, or (3) you've seen them but you're running just before you want to shoot them (e.g. to round a corner). To be honest, the main situation in which pre-firing actually works is the situation in which it's not really needed, which is when you're tracking the target before they've even seen you and you're bound to get the kill regardless.

TLDR Even in optimal circumstances, of pre-firing and sustaining full auto fire (no pauses allowed), the RR is still only getting the same DPS as the AR/ACR/AScR and much less than CR and ScR, which don't need to jump through these hoops to achieve their theoretical DPS. In practice a RR rarely achieves its theoretical DPS and is outclassed by AR/ACR/AScR/CR/ScR in CQC.

so you are basing your arguments around bad aim? lack of skill is not a balance factor.

beside that, memory of some people seems to be short. I can only mention the pre nerf breach AR. rail rifle is like the old pre nerf breach but with higher range and this slight charge up time. there is a reason why it got nerfed and as far as I remember, all the scrubs defending their crutch said something similar, aka "other weapons are better CQC because they have spread so you dont need to aim that well".

well if you cant aim with that accuracy & that aim assist then I have bad news for you.

note, I didnt said the RR is overpowered, I only say that the charge up time is pretty much meaningless for a player that used it regularly.

Everything I said assumed that every shot hit the target. Try reading my post again.

But wait, there's more. You know how, with a normal gun, if you lose tracking for a fraction of a second (e.g. target went round corner or moved past you), you just stop firing and resume when you have tracking back? Well doing that with RR reduces your DPS to comically low levels.

qftw

get counter forged

std RR is somehow better than proto ACR in CQC.

ACR should still beat SCRs and RRs in CQC, with ARs beating all(ARs) in CQC.

so what your saying is that certain weapons should be a win button at certain ranges regardless of skill ?????

ACR should still beat SCRs and RRs in CQC, with ARs beating all(ARs) in CQC.

ACR should still beat SCRs and RRs in CQC, with ARs beating all(ARs) in CQC.

Um are you a dumb dumb? The acr is a variation so shouldn't it be worse than most automatic weapons? You know since it's meant to be a semi auto weapon

The only way a RR is beating my combat rifle in CQC is if I miss horribly the entire time or they get the jump on me.

The only way a RR is beating my combat rifle in CQC is if I miss horribly the entire time or they get the jump on me.

I use the proto RR with prof 3. It's crap in CQC, to the point that I've gone back to the AR despite the RR dominance at range.

Let's break it down. To start with, the theoretical DPS is virtually identical to the AR, ACR, AScR, and much lower than the ScR and CR. Don't have the numbers to hand but it's easy to work out, just damage*RPM/60 (CR is slightly more complicated due to burst interval having to be factored in).

Then there's the 0.25 second charge up. So in the first second of firing RR is only getting 75% of the (already mediocre) theoretical damage and the weapon is outclassed by everything.

But wait, there's more. You know how, with a normal gun, if you lose tracking for a fraction of a second (e.g. target went round corner or moved past you), you just stop firing and resume when you have tracking back? Well doing that with RR reduces your DPS to comically low levels. For instance, half a second of fire, 0.25 seconds to acquire target, half a second of fire, 0.25 seconds to acquire target, half a second of fire gives you half as much DPS as AR/ACR/AScR with the same fire pattern, as the rail is losing half of its firing time to charge up. Losing tracking, even more than once, is not at all unusual in CQC and puts the RR user at a massive disadvantage.

People say you can negate the charge up by pre-firing. That can help a little, but it's very situational. It's useless if (1) you've not seen the target before you've shot them, or (2) you've seen them but you're not sure that they're coming into your line of fire, or (3) you've seen them but you're running just before you want to shoot them (e.g. to round a corner). To be honest, the main situation in which pre-firing actually works is the situation in which it's not really needed, which is when you're tracking the target before they've even seen you and you're bound to get the kill regardless.

TL;DR Even in optimal circumstances, of pre-firing and sustaining full auto fire (no pauses allowed), the RR is still only getting the same DPS as the AR/ACR/AScR and much less than CR and ScR, which don't need to jump through these hoops to achieve their theoretical DPS. In practice a RR rarely achieves its theoretical DPS and is outclassed by AR/ACR/AScR/CR/ScR in CQC.

No, that's how they're intended to work. If you can use them outside of their intended ranges, more power to you.

...or if they have way more total hp than you do with a more powerful gun,i.e.,damage mods.

When the game isn't lagging,I have no problem taking down anyone in CQC with an assault RR.Prof IV and 2x complex damage mods will chew up almost any suit.Oh,and there is a strategy to successfully using any RR in CQC besides just spraying and hoping for the best outcome.

With 2 complex damage mods and more health than your opponent you'll beat anyone with any weapon... So I'm not sure how this is an example how the RR beats the combat rifle in normal circumstances.