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pegasis prime
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Posted - 2013.12.23 02:46:00 -
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I originally posted this in feedback and requests for the devs to read , but i thought id leave this here for the rest of the community.
There has been allot of crying and complaining regarding unkillable tanks, this I believe is mostly down to the use of active hardeners. It is not the hardeners themselves i think is the problem as I believe them to be working as intended, the problem I think stems from the use of 2 or 3 active hardeners not any 1 hardener its self.
Now let me explain if i say fit 1 complex shield hardener I get 60% resistance for 30 seconds , then once those 30 seconds are up my hav is extremely vulnerable for 42 seconds this would fall in line with CCP's waves of opportunity that they are trying to create, giving me 30 seconds to turn up dish out some hurt and then either retreat to safety or move on to the next target but once that hardener has ran its 30 second cycle the av on field has 42 seconds to kill me 12 seconds longer than i have to kill them not only that but if i use 1 hardener and don't factor my escape into those 30 seconds then im cut short of safety and leave myself very open to attack. This as mentioned above gives the av more time to kill me than I have to kill them ... This system give a rough combat time of 5mis out of 12 with the shield hardeners up and 7 out of 12 with the hardeners down playing to the waves of opportunity.
Now the problem duel hardeners so you know the timers on hardeners work and how much time in and out of battle you get with 1 hardener but if you run 2 shield hardeners at complex level you end out with 60% resists for 60 seconds and a cooldown between cycles of 12 seconds... this is the major problem a shield tank is really hard to kill while its hardeners are active and the 12 second window is not really a fair amount of time for av to get into place to kill me , this falls against the waves of opportunity that ccp tried to create, as this way you get 10mins out of 12 with your hardners up and 2 mins out of 12 with no resistance.
This is the biggest problem regarding HAV's at the moment as running duel hardners negates the wave like gamplay and negates the AV's wave of opportunity to counter attack......The only way i can see to fix this problem is to either buff AV back to ridiculous levels or put fitting restrictions on active hardners i.e. only one of each kind can be fitted at a time.
thoughts ?
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Quil Evrything
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Posted - 2013.12.23 02:50:00 -
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"the real problem"... is when people post meaningless subject lines in an attempt to get more attention than their topic deserves.
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CRYPT3C W0LF
Krullefor Organization
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Posted - 2013.12.23 02:53:00 -
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The real problem is People that play this game, Nerf these OP creatures and we'll have a bit of peace, but better yet, Remove them completely!!!! You can't have complaints when you have no one playing 
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pegasis prime
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Posted - 2013.12.23 02:54:00 -
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Quil Evrything wrote:"the real problem"... is when people post meaningless subject lines in an attempt to get more attention than their topic deserves.
and you are ??? oh that's right no one worth paying any attention to. if you have nothing constructive to say then just go back to eating past or feeding your toaster mayo or what ever it is you get up to when not dribbling on the keyboard little boy.
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KenKaniff69
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Posted - 2013.12.23 03:05:00 -
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The assault forge gun rips right through a shield tank with only one hardener. By running two hardeners, you can survive a decent number of shots from an assault forge gun and then return after the 45 second cooldown time. Choosing to stagger them in the face of a properly placed forge will wear down your tank until it runs out of ehp.
So about those vehicle locks...
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MINA Longstrike
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Posted - 2013.12.23 03:07:00 -
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You give something up to fit 2 hardeners and they cost a lot of CPU and grid. Bring a breach forge to the fight and you can be through the dual hardened shield tanks hp before they realize what's happened. |
pegasis prime
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Posted - 2013.12.23 03:11:00 -
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KenKaniff69 wrote:The assault forge gun rips right through a shield tank with only one hardener. By running two hardeners, you can survive a decent number of shots from an assault forge gun and then return after the 45 second cooldown time. Choosing to stagger them in the face of a properly placed forge will wear down your tank until it runs out of ehp.
dude as a tanker i know the damage a good forge guner can do to your tank even through your hardners , im just trying to find some middle ground so we dont get nerfed back to the stoneage again and see our entire class become usless ,
iv found running with a complex heavy extender, heavy booster and hardener has worked wonders by giving you that hp bank that lets you take full advantage of the hardner.
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KenKaniff69
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Posted - 2013.12.23 03:51:00 -
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pegasis prime wrote:KenKaniff69 wrote:The assault forge gun rips right through a shield tank with only one hardener. By running two hardeners, you can survive a decent number of shots from an assault forge gun and then return after the 45 second cooldown time. Choosing to stagger them in the face of a properly placed forge will wear down your tank until it runs out of ehp. dude as a tanker i know the damage a good forge guner can do to your tank even through your hardners , im just trying to find some middle ground so we dont get nerfed back to the stoneage again and see our entire class become usless , iv found running with a complex heavy extender, heavy booster and hardener has worked wonders by giving you that hp bank that lets you take full advantage of the hardner.
Why not just let the players decide what they want to fit. Vs. light AV, your fit works very well (swarms) Vs. forges, two hardeners are a must if you want to defend a point, but you better have an exit plan when your cooldowns start.
Honestly, the forge is still a viable weapon for taking out tanks. Shield or Armor, it doesn't matter. High alpha weapons kill tanks regardless of resistance. Low alpha weapons need significantly more volume in order to work. This is how it should be.
So about those vehicle locks...
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MINA Longstrike
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Posted - 2013.12.23 04:08:00 -
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KenKaniff69 wrote:pegasis prime wrote:KenKaniff69 wrote:The assault forge gun rips right through a shield tank with only one hardener. By running two hardeners, you can survive a decent number of shots from an assault forge gun and then return after the 45 second cooldown time. Choosing to stagger them in the face of a properly placed forge will wear down your tank until it runs out of ehp. dude as a tanker i know the damage a good forge guner can do to your tank even through your hardners , im just trying to find some middle ground so we dont get nerfed back to the stoneage again and see our entire class become usless , iv found running with a complex heavy extender, heavy booster and hardener has worked wonders by giving you that hp bank that lets you take full advantage of the hardner. Why not just let the players decide what they want to fit. Vs. light AV, your fit works very well (swarms) Vs. forges, two hardeners are a must if you want to defend a point, but you better have an exit plan when your cooldowns start. Honestly, the forge is still a viable weapon for taking out tanks. Shield or Armor, it doesn't matter. High alpha weapons kill tanks regardless of resistance. Low alpha weapons need significantly more volume in order to work. This is how it should be.
So add +1-2 missiles to swarms across tiers? They wouldn't do much to a hardened vehicle but once those hardeners are down they're hitting a lot harder. Simple elegant solution and reasonably blanced too. |
Darken-Sol
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Posted - 2013.12.23 04:21:00 -
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What the hell happened to passive resistance It seems dumb to have an extreme amount of active resistance with a tiny window of danger.
I would like to see the forge back to its old charge times.
every one hates MLT tanks. Let me crush them. A good tanker doesn't get soloed.
lets get some passive mods out of the deal too. CCP fix everything.
Watch my back does not mean look at my spine.
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NOAMIzzzzz
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Posted - 2013.12.23 04:35:00 -
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i think i hate tankers more then snipers now... |
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