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Monkey MAC
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Posted - 2013.12.23 00:32:00 -
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Mordecai Sanguine wrote:Cat Merc wrote:A 70k ISK tank should be as effective as a 70k ISK suit.
That is all. No. That's a Tank that's different. Tank is supposed to be more effective than 5 Players don't care about their ISK price. A Unfitted Tank is maybe 70K ISK (Militia) but an real tank well fitted cost more than 10 fits and is not always as effective. Militia Tank should just have no "Base" Modules and Turrets. I think Militia Tank should be empty. And to be use we should buy ourselves the turrets / and modules. Like that Militia tanks could be used without skills BUT will cost at least the same price than a Tank because we have to buy our weapons on. (Tank modules and weapons is really expensive even at militia level)
Hold on, 5 players? You are saying a tank should have the equivalent force strength of a 5 man wolf pack?
Are you serious?
So a team with 5 tanks has a force strength of 36 against 16?
And you wonder why WTF has a bad reputation for pub stomping, you wonder everyone and their mother is rushing to deploy there tank first?
Ill say it once, Ill say it a thousand times.
One tank alone should be no more effective than 1 infantry unit.
1tank == 1infantry
5tank == 5infantry
1tank + 4 infantry > 5 infantry
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Monkey MAC
Lost Millennium
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Posted - 2013.12.23 00:39:00 -
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Cat Merc wrote:A 70k ISK tank should be as effective as a 70k ISK suit.
That is all.
Not quite, I agree with the principle, disagree with the mentality.
Units should be priced on their survivability, not power.
But units should be balanced against each other based on Force Strength.
1 unit should never be undeniably better in a solo instance than another.
So shotgunners should be no less useful than snipers, who should be no less useful than rifles, who should be no less useful than tanks.
Instead there worth is improved dependent upon the situation, tanks should be no different even if they were cheaper than adv suits.
Tanks 514
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Monkey Mac - Forum Warrior of the Trees Lvl.1
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Monkey MAC
Lost Millennium
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Posted - 2013.12.23 00:54:00 -
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Jason Pearson wrote:Monkey MAC wrote:
So shotgunners should be no less useful than snipers
I read this, and all I could picture was a scout with a shotgun on a mountain just firing and getting kills from hundreds of meters away -¼_-¼
Now that would be hilarious, but that is not quite what I meant you understand.
Tanks 514
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Monkey Mac - Forum Warrior of the Trees Lvl.1
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Monkey MAC
Lost Millennium
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Posted - 2013.12.23 01:04:00 -
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Mordecai Sanguine wrote:Monkey MAC wrote:Mordecai Sanguine wrote:Cat Merc wrote:A 70k ISK tank should be as effective as a 70k ISK suit.
That is all. No. That's a Tank that's different. Tank is supposed to be more effective than 5 Players don't care about their ISK price. A Unfitted Tank is maybe 70K ISK (Militia) but an real tank well fitted cost more than 10 fits and is not always as effective. Militia Tank should just have no "Base" Modules and Turrets. I think Militia Tank should be empty. And to be use we should buy ourselves the turrets / and modules. Like that Militia tanks could be used without skills BUT will cost at least the same price than a Tank because we have to buy our weapons on. (Tank modules and weapons is really expensive even at militia level) Hold on, 5 players? You are saying a tank should have the equivalent force strength of a 5 man wolf pack? Are you serious? So a team with 5 tanks has a force strength of 36 against 16? And you wonder why WTF has a bad reputation for pub stomping, you wonder everyone and their mother is rushing to deploy there tank first? Ill say it once, Ill say it a thousand times. One tank alone should be no more effective than 1 infantry unit. 1tank == 1infantry 5tank == 5infantry 1tank + 4 infantry > 5 infantry Oh come on SERIOUSLY ? Why are you attacking WTF for what i'm saying ME ? As far as i remember i didn't protostomp. Please don't start speaking about WTF with no reason just..don't speak to me like i was an WTF. I mean that's a FREAKING TANK. That's EVIDENT than a tank is stronger than a single player....... With your logic a single player with Militia rifle should be able to kill an TITAN from EVE as easily than the TITAN to kill the little soldier ? Come one all of you tank driver try to explain to him. For me that's SO EVIDENT than a tank is supposed to be stronger than a dropsuits that i can't explain to him...
Fine I'll leave em out of it, Stonger as in more health or survivability, yes.
In terms of worth on the battle field no. If you want an example, you way say shuttle or frigate shouldn't be worth as much as say a super carrier? THIS video suggests otherwise.
Tanks 514
I told you, I bloody well told you.
Monkey Mac - Forum Warrior of the Trees Lvl.1
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Monkey MAC
Lost Millennium
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Posted - 2013.12.23 01:14:00 -
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Guildo Crow wrote:how about a 70k ISK tank should be as effective as a 70k ISK tank?
A tank and a dropsuit are not the same thing. You want to kill that tank... bring a tank.
AV is supplementary. When it comes down to the basics, only a vehicle should "easily" take out another vehicle. Since tanks are balanced now, you can bring in a MLT tank and have a great chance at popping a STD tank.
Game balancing shouldn't mean everything can kill everything equally. If that were the case, then make all suits and vehicles insta-kill each other at infinite range.
USE the tanks! they are cheaper now, and easier to access for all players.
So what happens when only one side brings tanks?
Tell me have you ever been on the recieving end of 5 blaster turrets, in your redline?
Tanks 514
I told you, I bloody well told you.
Monkey Mac - Forum Warrior of the Trees Lvl.1
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Monkey MAC
Lost Millennium
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Posted - 2013.12.23 01:22:00 -
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Mordecai Sanguine wrote:Monkey MAC wrote:Mordecai Sanguine wrote:Monkey MAC wrote:Mordecai Sanguine wrote:
No.
That's a Tank that's different.
Tank is supposed to be more effective than 5 Players don't care about their ISK price.
A Unfitted Tank is maybe 70K ISK (Militia) but an real tank well fitted cost more than 10 fits and is not always as effective.
Militia Tank should just have no "Base" Modules and Turrets.
I think Militia Tank should be empty.
And to be use we should buy ourselves the turrets / and modules.
Like that Militia tanks could be used without skills BUT will cost at least the same price than a Tank because we have to buy our weapons on.
(Tank modules and weapons is really expensive even at militia level)
Hold on, 5 players? You are saying a tank should have the equivalent force strength of a 5 man wolf pack? Are you serious? So a team with 5 tanks has a force strength of 36 against 16? And you wonder why WTF has a bad reputation for pub stomping, you wonder everyone and their mother is rushing to deploy there tank first? Ill say it once, Ill say it a thousand times. One tank alone should be no more effective than 1 infantry unit. 1tank == 1infantry 5tank == 5infantry 1tank + 4 infantry > 5 infantry Oh come on SERIOUSLY ? Why are you attacking WTF for what i'm saying ME ? As far as i remember i didn't protostomp. Please don't start speaking about WTF with no reason just..don't speak to me like i was an WTF. I mean that's a FREAKING TANK. That's EVIDENT than a tank is stronger than a single player....... With your logic a single player with Militia rifle should be able to kill an TITAN from EVE as easily than the TITAN to kill the little soldier ? Come one all of you tank driver try to explain to him. For me that's SO EVIDENT than a tank is supposed to be stronger than a dropsuits that i can't explain to him... Fine I'll leave em out of it, Stonger as in more health or survivability, yes. In terms of worth on the battle field no. If you want an example, you way say shuttle or frigate shouldn't be worth as much as say a super carrier? THIS video suggests otherwise. No i'm saying than an man with a small gun is not as powerful than a TANK. Which is pretty Logic.
So you don't disagree with the video then?
No he is not gonna be as 'Powerful', but that tank isn't likely to turn the tide of battle than an extra guy on the ground.
If you start getting into the realms of 1 thing having more worth than another, the outcome of the battle devolves into simple math. They have higher force strength so they will win, tactics become pointless, teamwork becomes useless, even infantry gear no longer has an effect.
In addition as someone pointed out, in EVE there is no soilder cap. If you bring in a titan, I could bring in 500 frigates to deal with it. Do you not think Bigger ships would be unfair if you could only 5 ships per side?
Tanks 514
I told you, I bloody well told you.
Monkey Mac - Forum Warrior of the Trees Lvl.1
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Monkey MAC
Lost Millennium
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Posted - 2013.12.23 01:26:00 -
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Mordecai Sanguine wrote:Monkey MAC wrote:Guildo Crow wrote:how about a 70k ISK tank should be as effective as a 70k ISK tank?
A tank and a dropsuit are not the same thing. You want to kill that tank... bring a tank.
AV is supplementary. When it comes down to the basics, only a vehicle should "easily" take out another vehicle. Since tanks are balanced now, you can bring in a MLT tank and have a great chance at popping a STD tank.
Game balancing shouldn't mean everything can kill everything equally. If that were the case, then make all suits and vehicles insta-kill each other at infinite range.
USE the tanks! they are cheaper now, and easier to access for all players. So what happens when only one side brings tanks? Tell me have you ever been on the recieving end of 5 blaster turrets, in your redline? If one side comes in underwear with a tooth pick. While the others are using Destroyers and Metal gears. It seems pretty logic than the side with technolgy wins isn't ? If the underwear side was 10x more and hided (like in vietnam) then OK they can win. But it's 16vs 16. They lose. That's exactly what he said. Militia tank can destroy normal tank easily with good timing. They have tanks ? Bring yours it's pretty cheap. I mean in Battlefield if one side have 4 T-90 and 3 LAV that's NORMAL they win over 7 poor soldier.
In battlefield everyone has access to those same vehicles they are free and they respawn.
It doesn't guarantee victory.
Tanks 514
I told you, I bloody well told you.
Monkey Mac - Forum Warrior of the Trees Lvl.1
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Monkey MAC
Lost Millennium
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Posted - 2013.12.23 11:03:00 -
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True Adamance wrote:Jadek Menaheim wrote:On principal alone, it makes sense to me that a body costs the same or relatively more than a vehicle to produce. Really seems to me the body would be cheaper to make than a compact internal vehicle powerplant
Fusion over new life, I would say they are about equal.
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