DUST Search - So tankers, let me get this straight

Jason Pearson wrote:

Daddrobit wrote:

You want the best counter to a tank, to be another tank.

But you don't like it when I pull out my sica with dual damage mods to take out your tank because I've finally given up on every other option. Please tell me exactly how you would like to die?

Wait, let me answer for you, you only want there to be blasters so you can be effective against tanks -and- infantry without actually having to fear other tanks as much.

(This is a mildly self congratulatory post, I've officially taken out over 100 Gunnlogis and Madrugars since the patch with countless Sicas and Somas between Big smile

)

Personally, I don't mind Sicas being able to take me out, the thing that bugs me is the fact that it's so cheap compared to other AV options and then tanks themselves, I can get a sica with dual damage mods and I don't think it'll even cost me 100k, you'd have to lose 5 of those to get near the cost of my tank. I know people like to say ISK isn't a balancing factor, it still leaves me a little bitter.

Apart from that, any other tanks complaining are just bads and are complaining for the sake of complaining, and will only be happy when they can stomp without fear. Also, I don't believe a tank should be the only way, I believe LAVs should be able to kill us much the same as a scout can kill a heavy, it should take stealth, skill and some balls, but it should be possible (and looking at the numbers from a proto rail LAV, it might even be possible :D ), Infantry should also kill us, just not stupidly easy like previously.

I mean, the worst moment I've ever experienced was being a tanker in a Seraphim protostomp squad, someone mentioned an enemy tank, and I rub my hands together because Tank v Tank is fun, not a minute later crorat1 is on comms and just says "Done.", he tossed 3 Lai Dai AVs and was done with it. My entire playstyle felt useless and just became unenjoyable.

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Daddrobit PFB Pink Fluffy Bunnies 407	Posted - 2013.12.22 09:53:00 - [1] - Quote You want the best counter to a tank, to be another tank. But you don't like it when I pull out my sica with dual damage mods to take out your tank because I've finally given up on every other option. Please tell me exactly how you would like to die? Wait, let me answer for you, you only want there to be blasters so you can be effective against tanks -and- infantry without actually having to fear other tanks as much. (This is a mildly self congratulatory post, I've officially taken out over 100 Gunnlogis and Madrugars since the patch with countless Sicas and Somas between )
Kasote Denzara A Vulture 1489	Posted - 2013.12.22 09:54:00 - [2] - Quote They're just mad because militia things with zero investment into them can kill their much invested stuff. Wait. Hang on. Just a second. THAT'S EXACTLY WHAT INFANTRY HAS BEEN GOING THROUGH SINCE THE DAWN OF GODDAMN TIME! WELCOME TO OUR WORLD! HARDEN THE UP! "Go ahead and dual tank. My Commando dual ganks." -Kasote Denzara The Traitor, in the name of "freedom".
PEW JACKSON s i n g u l a r i t y 135	Posted - 2013.12.22 09:59:00 - [3] - Quote Daddrobit wrote: You want the best counter to a tank, to be another tank. But you don't like it when I pull out my sica with dual damage mods to take out your tank because I've finally given up on every other option. Please tell me exactly how you would like to die? Wait, let me answer for you, you only want there to be blasters so you can be effective against tanks -and- infantry without actually having to fear other tanks as much. (This is a mildly self congratulatory post, I've officially taken out over 100 Gunnlogis and Madrugars since the patch with countless Sicas and Somas between ) Tanks & Jihad jeeps. I can't bring myself to be mad at any of you guys. The tank spam was the final push for me to spec into tanks with STD modules and turrets. I can take on most decent tankers, but if the SP gap is too wide, I'll get wrecked. +1 for damage control. I'll run rails with you if I see you around in game. Dead on the ground.... Think I made a wrong turn :/
Jason Pearson 3576	Posted - 2013.12.22 09:59:00 - [4] - Quote Daddrobit wrote: You want the best counter to a tank, to be another tank. But you don't like it when I pull out my sica with dual damage mods to take out your tank because I've finally given up on every other option. Please tell me exactly how you would like to die? Wait, let me answer for you, you only want there to be blasters so you can be effective against tanks -and- infantry without actually having to fear other tanks as much. (This is a mildly self congratulatory post, I've officially taken out over 100 Gunnlogis and Madrugars since the patch with countless Sicas and Somas between ) Personally, I don't mind Sicas being able to take me out, the thing that bugs me is the fact that it's so cheap compared to other AV options and then tanks themselves, I can get a sica with dual damage mods and I don't think it'll even cost me 100k, you'd have to lose 5 of those to get near the cost of my tank. I know people like to say ISK isn't a balancing factor, it still leaves me a little bitter. Apart from that, any other tanks complaining are just bads and are complaining for the sake of complaining, and will only be happy when they can stomp without fear. Also, I don't believe a tank should be the only way, I believe LAVs should be able to kill us much the same as a scout can kill a heavy, it should take stealth, skill and some balls, but it should be possible (and looking at the numbers from a proto rail LAV, it might even be possible :D ), Infantry should also kill us, just not stupidly easy like previously. I mean, the worst moment I've ever experienced was being a tanker in a Seraphim protostomp squad, someone mentioned an enemy tank, and I rub my hands together because Tank v Tank is fun, not a minute later crorat1 is on comms and just says "Done.", he tossed 3 Lai Dai AVs and was done with it. My entire playstyle felt useless and just became unenjoyable. King of the Forums // Vehicle Specialist for Hire. Buffing or Debuffing Vehicles or AV will never fix anything.
Darken-Sol BIG BAD W0LVES 992	Posted - 2013.12.22 10:00:00 - [5] - Quote Kasote Denzara wrote: They're just mad because militia things with zero investment into them can kill their much invested stuff. Wait. Hang on. Just a second. THAT'S EXACTLY WHAT INFANTRY HAS BEEN GOING THROUGH SINCE THE DAWN OF GODDAMN TIME! WELCOME TO OUR WORLD! HARDEN THE UP! they are deluded. How many blaster kills do you think have been recorded in pub matches. A simple buff to Av would have fixed alot. A campaign to dump it all on MLT is their best idea. Misdirection is going to blow up in their face. Watch my back does not mean look at my spine.
Lynn Beck Granite Mercenary Division Top Men. 389	Posted - 2013.12.22 10:08:00 - [6] - Quote I could care less about -what- kills me anymore, as i'm not forced to mortgage a box of kittens every time you 'YOLO SOLO' AVers Mlt swarmed my tank. And before you say i'm a bad tanker, i'm not. I've got the tactical mind to realise that there's a supply depot there, so don't hang around long, just pop in and squeeze out. However YOLO av nades were instakills THROUGH 2 hardeners, WITH max reps active, AND a damage control if possible. Now, i have a chance to leave your AV's range before you drop me. If you do? It's 2 matches' investments, just run my MLT fits and save up until my next PROTO rail gunny can come out(i don't redline rail unless the enemy has 3-4 tanks on the field, and i solo them 1 by 1, then assert my dominance) If you manage to kill me, it's due to you having my fits' best counter, OR outsmarting me, OR both. No more of this 'can't non-redline snipe, because YOLO forgies will 2 shot me, can't frontline, because YOLO nades, yknow what? Can't do either cuz there's above MLT swarms on the field' Under 28db Officially nerfproof (predicting CR nerf February '14) I have a God, His name is Dakka.
ladwar Death by Disassociation Zero-Day 1930	Posted - 2013.12.22 10:15:00 - [7] - Quote Jason Pearson wrote: Daddrobit wrote: You want the best counter to a tank, to be another tank. But you don't like it when I pull out my sica with dual damage mods to take out your tank because I've finally given up on every other option. Please tell me exactly how you would like to die? Wait, let me answer for you, you only want there to be blasters so you can be effective against tanks -and- infantry without actually having to fear other tanks as much. (This is a mildly self congratulatory post, I've officially taken out over 100 Gunnlogis and Madrugars since the patch with countless Sicas and Somas between ) Personally, I don't mind Sicas being able to take me out, the thing that bugs me is the fact that it's so cheap compared to other AV options and then tanks themselves, I can get a sica with dual damage mods and I don't think it'll even cost me 100k, you'd have to lose 5 of those to get near the cost of my tank. I know people like to say ISK isn't a balancing factor, it still leaves me a little bitter. Apart from that, any other tanks complaining are just bads and are complaining for the sake of complaining, and will only be happy when they can stomp without fear. Also, I don't believe a tank should be the only way, I believe LAVs should be able to kill us much the same as a scout can kill a heavy, it should take stealth, skill and some balls, but it should be possible (and looking at the numbers from a proto rail LAV, it might even be possible :D ), Infantry should also kill us, just not stupidly easy like previously. I mean, the worst moment I've ever experienced was being a tanker in a Seraphim protostomp squad, someone mentioned an enemy tank, and I rub my hands together because Tank v Tank is fun, not a minute later crorat1 is on comms and just says "Done.", he tossed 3 Lai Dai AVs and was done with it. My entire playstyle felt useless and just became unenjoyable. pretty much the way i feel, i split my time between infantry and vehicles as much as i can but when it comes down to tank vs tank warfare i'll drop infantry and bring the pain to enemy tanks hoping for an easy fight and mostly it is blaster tanks which drop pretty easy and fast. sure rail could be changed to have an arc so it takes some skill to use otherwise i don't mind MLT rail tanks taking out other tanks, even mine from time to time. Level 2 Forum Warrior, retired vet. I shall smite Thy Trolls with numbers and truth not looking for a corp, don't ask.
Arkena Wyrnspire Turalyon 514 Turalyon Alliance 6578	Posted - 2013.12.22 10:17:00 - [8] - Quote Jason Pearson wrote: Daddrobit wrote: You want the best counter to a tank, to be another tank. But you don't like it when I pull out my sica with dual damage mods to take out your tank because I've finally given up on every other option. Please tell me exactly how you would like to die? Wait, let me answer for you, you only want there to be blasters so you can be effective against tanks -and- infantry without actually having to fear other tanks as much. (This is a mildly self congratulatory post, I've officially taken out over 100 Gunnlogis and Madrugars since the patch with countless Sicas and Somas between ) Personally, I don't mind Sicas being able to take me out, the thing that bugs me is the fact that it's so cheap compared to other AV options and then tanks themselves, I can get a sica with dual damage mods and I don't think it'll even cost me 100k, you'd have to lose 5 of those to get near the cost of my tank. I know people like to say ISK isn't a balancing factor, it still leaves me a little bitter. So? As Kasote rightly pointed out, a militia assault is entirely capable of destroying a protosuit. Why should a militia tank be unable to kill a standard tank? Level 6 Forum Warrior Lenin of the glorious armoured revolution Gallente FW - 'Turalyon'
Jason Pearson 3578	Posted - 2013.12.22 10:32:00 - [9] - Quote Arkena Wyrnspire wrote: Jason Pearson wrote: Daddrobit wrote: You want the best counter to a tank, to be another tank. But you don't like it when I pull out my sica with dual damage mods to take out your tank because I've finally given up on every other option. Please tell me exactly how you would like to die? Wait, let me answer for you, you only want there to be blasters so you can be effective against tanks -and- infantry without actually having to fear other tanks as much. (This is a mildly self congratulatory post, I've officially taken out over 100 Gunnlogis and Madrugars since the patch with countless Sicas and Somas between ) Personally, I don't mind Sicas being able to take me out, the thing that bugs me is the fact that it's so cheap compared to other AV options and then tanks themselves, I can get a sica with dual damage mods and I don't think it'll even cost me 100k, you'd have to lose 5 of those to get near the cost of my tank. I know people like to say ISK isn't a balancing factor, it still leaves me a little bitter. So? As Kasote rightly pointed out, a militia assault is entirely capable of destroying a protosuit. Why should a militia tank be unable to kill a standard tank? I haven't asked for a nerf or anything for militia tanks, well that's a lie, I asked for a CPU/PG nerf for all tanks, but that's all I've asked from, I'm only stating that it leaves a bitter taste in my mouth, much the same as I'd feel if a free suit rocked up and managed to kill me in a proto suit, ya know? Don't take it as a sign I want militia tanks gone or anything, if that's the case you don't know me nor read my posts. King of the Forums // Vehicle Specialist for Hire. Buffing or Debuffing Vehicles or AV will never fix anything.
Grease Spillett Ancient Exiles. Renegade Alliance 299	Posted - 2013.12.22 10:35:00 - [10] - Quote Kasote Denzara wrote: They're just mad because militia things with zero investment into them can kill their much invested stuff. Wait. Hang on. Just a second. THAT'S EXACTLY WHAT INFANTRY HAS BEEN GOING THROUGH SINCE THE DAWN OF GODDAMN TIME! WELCOME TO OUR WORLD! HARDEN THE UP! BUT THEY ran out of MODULES!! Next time you see me, bring more friends. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gBM5hM5LdDw

Beld Errmon The Southern Legion The Umbra Combine 1151	Posted - 2013.12.22 10:37:00 - [11] - Quote As a tanker i'm fine with rail tanks, imo they are the hetzer of dust and refer to my own rail tanks as such, not a huge fan of militia tanks being so powerful, but it does lead to a more fun and diverse battle ground for tankers.
THUNDERGROOVE ZionTCD Public Disorder. 414	Posted - 2013.12.22 10:44:00 - [12] - Quote Kasote Denzara wrote: They're just mad because militia things with zero investment into them can kill their much invested stuff. Wait. Hang on. Just a second. THAT'S EXACTLY WHAT INFANTRY HAS BEEN GOING THROUGH SINCE THE DAWN OF GODDAMN TIME! WELCOME TO OUR WORLD! HARDEN THE UP! Militia suit - 4K ISK STD suit 10K ISK Militia tank ~60K ISK STD tank ~250K ISK It's not the same, especially considering that tankers don't get paid more than infantry and they risk more ISK. Tanking is the most frustrating thing ever especially if you started around 1.2 like I did. Not to mention they cost a stupid amount of ISK still compared to a militia tank. Just can't wait until the next FOTM comes out so real tankers won't be classified with you militia scrubs. ZionTCD Director & Ammar Loyalist Amarr Sentinel \| Amarr Logi \| *Losematar* Scout What is a signature?
True Adamance Scions of Athra 5182	Posted - 2013.12.22 10:45:00 - [13] - Quote Daddrobit wrote: You want the best counter to a tank, to be another tank. But you don't like it when I pull out my sica with dual damage mods to take out your tank because I've finally given up on every other option. Please tell me exactly how you would like to die? Wait, let me answer for you, you only want there to be blasters so you can be effective against tanks -and- infantry without actually having to fear other tanks as much. (This is a mildly self congratulatory post, I've officially taken out over 100 Gunnlogis and Madrugars since the patch with countless Sicas and Somas between ) Nope I love it since all you end up doing is feeding yourself to a much better tanker....AKA me and my Railgun. It had people in a match try that with me. I claimed 6 tanks, 3 dropships, and 2 sniped heavies. To a Texan like you, a hero is some type of weird sandwich, not some nut who takes on three Gunlogi. Reference = ISK
Darken-Sol BIG BAD W0LVES 992	Posted - 2013.12.22 10:48:00 - [14] - Quote THUNDERGROOVE wrote: Kasote Denzara wrote: They're just mad because militia things with zero investment into them can kill their much invested stuff. Wait. Hang on. Just a second. THAT'S EXACTLY WHAT INFANTRY HAS BEEN GOING THROUGH SINCE THE DAWN OF GODDAMN TIME! WELCOME TO OUR WORLD! HARDEN THE UP! Militia suit - 4K ISK STD suit 10K ISK Militia tank ~60K ISK STD tank ~250K ISK It's not the same, especially considering that tankers don't get paid more than infantry and they risk more ISK. Tanking is the most frustrating thing ever especially if you started around 1.2 like I did. Not to mention they cost a stupid amount of ISK still compared to a militia tank. Just can't wait until the next FOTM comes out so real tankers won't be classified with you militia scrubs. check your prices. I just bought 10 gunnlogi for less than a mil Watch my back does not mean look at my spine.
THUNDERGROOVE ZionTCD Public Disorder. 415	Posted - 2013.12.22 10:52:00 - [15] - Quote Darken-Sol wrote: check your prices. I just bought 10 gunnlogi for less than a mil I'm talking about fit with modules and turrets. I know hulls are 97K. ZionTCD Director & Ammar Loyalist Amarr Sentinel \| Amarr Logi \| *Losematar* Scout What is a signature?
Jason Pearson 3580	Posted - 2013.12.22 10:53:00 - [16] - Quote Darken-Sol wrote: THUNDERGROOVE wrote: Kasote Denzara wrote: They're just mad because militia things with zero investment into them can kill their much invested stuff. Wait. Hang on. Just a second. THAT'S EXACTLY WHAT INFANTRY HAS BEEN GOING THROUGH SINCE THE DAWN OF GODDAMN TIME! WELCOME TO OUR WORLD! HARDEN THE UP! Militia suit - 4K ISK STD suit 10K ISK Militia tank ~60K ISK STD tank ~250K ISK It's not the same, especially considering that tankers don't get paid more than infantry and they risk more ISK. Tanking is the most frustrating thing ever especially if you started around 1.2 like I did. Not to mention they cost a stupid amount of ISK still compared to a militia tank. Just can't wait until the next FOTM comes out so real tankers won't be classified with you militia scrubs. check your prices. I just bought 10 gunnlogi for less than a mil I wish my Gunnlogis cost that much Q_Q King of the Forums // Vehicle Specialist for Hire. Buffing or Debuffing Vehicles or AV will never fix anything.
Daddrobit PFB Pink Fluffy Bunnies 412	Posted - 2013.12.22 11:05:00 - [17] - Quote True Adamance wrote: Daddrobit wrote: You want the best counter to a tank, to be another tank. But you don't like it when I pull out my sica with dual damage mods to take out your tank because I've finally given up on every other option. Please tell me exactly how you would like to die? Wait, let me answer for you, you only want there to be blasters so you can be effective against tanks -and- infantry without actually having to fear other tanks as much. (This is a mildly self congratulatory post, I've officially taken out over 100 Gunnlogis and Madrugars since the patch with countless Sicas and Somas between ) Nope I love it since all you end up doing is feeding yourself to a much better tanker....AKA me and my Railgun. It had people in a match try that with me. I claimed 6 tanks, 3 dropships, and 2 sniped heavies. Only had one match so far where I felt I was actually going against someone decent when I lost 4 sicas, but still cost the other team 2 somas, a madrugar, and a gunnlogi. The gunnlogi was the one that was tough, took him out once, but he kept getting me after that while my modules were down after I finished off his tank buddies one by one. Everyone else falls.
Kallas Hallytyr Skullbreakers 188	Posted - 2013.12.22 11:40:00 - [18] - Quote Tankers have no right to complain about price until ADS hulls become cheaper.
TWISTED METAL xxx Free Rebelz 5	Posted - 2013.12.22 11:57:00 - [19] - Quote I agree rail tanks are probably your best choice to counter another tank but be aware of the tankers who have piloted these awsome metal things for awhil a blaster can out manuever a rail tank any day you jus have to have the right pilot in it Experienced tanker + OP militia tanks = ass rapping with no lube
CrotchGrab 360 676	Posted - 2013.12.22 12:22:00 - [20] - Quote so it's sica railgun 2 damage mods? all militia? that does sound like a good counter, if you have them in the wrong position the other tank can find it pretty hard to get away. i can see them going down easily given the right circumstances.

Izlare Lenix FREE AGENTS LP 48	Posted - 2013.12.22 12:33:00 - [21] - Quote Kasote Denzara wrote: They're just mad because militia things with zero investment into them can kill their much invested stuff. Wait. Hang on. Just a second. THAT'S EXACTLY WHAT INFANTRY HAS BEEN GOING THROUGH SINCE THE DAWN OF GODDAMN TIME! WELCOME TO OUR WORLD! HARDEN THE UP! I also love how militia tanks which take ZERO SP and are cheap as hell are a better counter than PROTO AV which takes tons of SP and is not cheap. For the love of New Eden CCP, please increase the cost of militia tanks by at least a factor of 4. Hopefully that will discourage tank scrubs from endlessly spamming tanks all game long. But please don't nerf militia tanks, they still need to be an effective counter to other tanks since, oh yeah, AV IS BUSTED!!!
Operative 1171 Aajli Bragian Order Amarr Empire 921	Posted - 2013.12.22 13:11:00 - [22] - Quote I'm waiting to get my shield tanker up to Gunnlogi again since recreating him. The only difference in mil and standard tanks is how long you can keep them out in the open due to only two high slots. This is in keeping with the "waves of opportunity" CCP mentioned. It makes sense. The power of a tank ultimately comes from how long and constant they can stay out and about with actives on. Otherwise, most usefulness got worked into the skills. As it should be. Wish snipers would get more of this treatment. Only the big investment in skills gets you the power. Do your part. Join the revolution. Sabotage FW. Help this game burn! BURN DUST 2014
Takahiro Kashuken Red Star. EoN. 2020	Posted - 2013.12.22 13:42:00 - [23] - Quote Daddrobit wrote: You want the best counter to a tank, to be another tank. But you don't like it when I pull out my sica with dual damage mods to take out your tank because I've finally given up on every other option. Please tell me exactly how you would like to die? Wait, let me answer for you, you only want there to be blasters so you can be effective against tanks -and- infantry without actually having to fear other tanks as much. (This is a mildly self congratulatory post, I've officially taken out over 100 Gunnlogis and Madrugars since the patch with countless Sicas and Somas between ) I really dont give a **** if you bring out a sica Half the time thats what the enemy does and still fail to kill me, i bring out my rail and 2 shot you before you see me coming and procced to clear the rest of the field Intelligence is OP
Daddrobit PFB Pink Fluffy Bunnies 413	Posted - 2013.12.22 23:18:00 - [24] - Quote Takahiro Kashuken wrote: Daddrobit wrote: You want the best counter to a tank, to be another tank. But you don't like it when I pull out my sica with dual damage mods to take out your tank because I've finally given up on every other option. Please tell me exactly how you would like to die? Wait, let me answer for you, you only want there to be blasters so you can be effective against tanks -and- infantry without actually having to fear other tanks as much. (This is a mildly self congratulatory post, I've officially taken out over 100 Gunnlogis and Madrugars since the patch with countless Sicas and Somas between ) I really dont give a **** if you bring out a sica Half the time thats what the enemy does and still fail to kill me, i bring out my rail and 2 shot you before you see me coming and procced to clear the rest of the field I'm sure many of the tankers I've killed repeatedly over the past week or so have thought the same thing right up until their armor gave out.
Kane Fyea Scions of Athra 2430	Posted - 2013.12.22 23:29:00 - [25] - Quote Takahiro Kashuken wrote: Daddrobit wrote: You want the best counter to a tank, to be another tank. But you don't like it when I pull out my sica with dual damage mods to take out your tank because I've finally given up on every other option. Please tell me exactly how you would like to die? Wait, let me answer for you, you only want there to be blasters so you can be effective against tanks -and- infantry without actually having to fear other tanks as much. (This is a mildly self congratulatory post, I've officially taken out over 100 Gunnlogis and Madrugars since the patch with countless Sicas and Somas between ) I really dont give a **** if you bring out a sica Half the time thats what the enemy does and still fail to kill me, i bring out my rail and 2 shot you before you see me coming and procced to clear the rest of the field Ok so I can't beat what 9 tankers out of the many others there are? I can deal with that since I usually don't find many good tankers.


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