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Killar-12 The Corporate Raiders Top Men. 1901	Posted - 2013.12.22 06:37:00 - [1] - Quote I've been doing some EVE over the past few days and have notice there are different ammo types, I'm not asking for anything now but just an Idea for down the road that we could choose different ammos for different things Hybrid Charges Antimatter Reduced Range higher damage Uranium Slightly Reduced Range Slightly higher damage Lead Normal Range/Dam Iridium Slightly Longer range/ slightly less damage Iron Longest Range lowest dam Misslies/Rockets Damage profiles Damage types EM/Laser Thermal/Plasma Kinetic/Rail Explosive Frquency Crystals (probably the hardest) with the curent setup for laser weapons Radio Longest Range reduced dam Infrared Long range lower ammo consumption and damage Standard Normal Range and Damage lowest ammo consumption UV shorter range lower ammo consumption higher damage Gamma High dam low range normal ammo consumption Projectile Ammunition Low Range normal dam high RoF Mid range normal dam normal RoF High dam high range low RoF A-Teams win Battles B-Teams win Campaigns C-Teams win Wars
Nocturnal Soul Immortal Retribution 1321	Posted - 2013.12.22 07:10:00 - [2] - Quote So which one is the purple laser? "The trick to creativity is knowing how to hide your sources..." Albert Einstein
Killar-12 The Corporate Raiders Top Men. 1901	Posted - 2013.12.22 08:30:00 - [3] - Quote Nocturnal Soul wrote: So which one is the purple laser? UV if I recall... A-Teams win Battles B-Teams win Campaigns C-Teams win Wars
Chief-Shotty WASTELAND JUNK REMOVAL Top Men. 92	Posted - 2013.12.22 12:10:00 - [4] - Quote Depleted Uranium, High Explosive and Emp rounds for combat rifle Still looking forward to Nuclear based Minmatar Orbital Strikes Trust in the Rust! 7-Time Matar Mass Driver World Champion Combat Rifle is for Combat!
Cat Merc Ahrendee Mercenaries EoN. 4876	Posted - 2013.12.22 13:00:00 - [5] - Quote Anti Matter... Look, a single tea spoon of this stuff can create an explosion that is 10-20 times as strong as the typical fusion weapon. I don't think it's a good idea to give it to infantry lmao Shield regeneration bonus for Gallente Assault is about as useful as Sharpshooter for Nova Knives. Tuna > Tacos
Aeon Amadi Ancient Exiles. Renegade Alliance 4195	Posted - 2013.12.22 13:07:00 - [6] - Quote Cat Merc wrote: Anti Matter... Look, a single spoon of this stuff can create an explosion that is 10-20 times as strong as the typical fusion weapon. I don't think it's a good idea to give it to infantry lmao Bit of misunderstanding here. In Eve Online the Gallente/Caldari use Antimatter charges but the entire round isn't comprised of the stuff - just the core. They never actually state how much is in that core either and it's generally assumed by the Eve Online community (the role-playing ones at least) that antimatter rounds are comprised almost entirely of the actual containment with a tiny portion of actual antimatter and that's a logical assumption given that you don't want this stuff just going off in your cargo bay. forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m= (Frames)1544109 (Advertisement)1556863 (Packs)1570030 (Lag Hunt) 1570201
Cat Merc Ahrendee Mercenaries EoN. 4876	Posted - 2013.12.22 13:11:00 - [7] - Quote Aeon Amadi wrote: Cat Merc wrote: Anti Matter... Look, a single spoon of this stuff can create an explosion that is 10-20 times as strong as the typical fusion weapon. I don't think it's a good idea to give it to infantry lmao Bit of misunderstanding here. In Eve Online the Gallente/Caldari use Antimatter charges but the entire round isn't comprised of the stuff - just the core. They never actually state how much is in that core either and it's generally assumed by the Eve Online community (the role-playing ones at least) that antimatter rounds are comprised almost entirely of the actual containment with a tiny portion of actual antimatter and that's a logical assumption given that you don't want this stuff just going off in your cargo bay. Good point. Still, less than one billionth of a gram is enough to power a lightbulb for several minutes. Even a tiny tiny core is probably highly destructive. Fun fact: Gallente Doomsday fires 83k tons of Anti Matter. Shield regeneration bonus for Gallente Assault is about as useful as Sharpshooter for Nova Knives. Tuna > Tacos
Aeon Amadi Ancient Exiles. Renegade Alliance 4195	Posted - 2013.12.22 13:12:00 - [8] - Quote Cat Merc wrote: Aeon Amadi wrote: Cat Merc wrote: Anti Matter... Look, a single spoon of this stuff can create an explosion that is 10-20 times as strong as the typical fusion weapon. I don't think it's a good idea to give it to infantry lmao Bit of misunderstanding here. In Eve Online the Gallente/Caldari use Antimatter charges but the entire round isn't comprised of the stuff - just the core. They never actually state how much is in that core either and it's generally assumed by the Eve Online community (the role-playing ones at least) that antimatter rounds are comprised almost entirely of the actual containment with a tiny portion of actual antimatter and that's a logical assumption given that you don't want this stuff just going off in your cargo bay. Good point. Still, less than one billionth of a gram is enough to power a lightbulb for several minutes. Even a tiny tiny core is probably highly destructive. Fun fact: Gallente Doomsday fires 83k tons of Anti Matter. Also bear in mind that Eve Online/Dust 514 does not operate on Neutonian Physics =P forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m= (Frames)1544109 (Advertisement)1556863 (Packs)1570030 (Lag Hunt) 1570201
Cat Merc Ahrendee Mercenaries EoN. 4876	Posted - 2013.12.22 13:14:00 - [9] - Quote Aeon Amadi wrote: Cat Merc wrote: Aeon Amadi wrote: Cat Merc wrote: Anti Matter... Look, a single spoon of this stuff can create an explosion that is 10-20 times as strong as the typical fusion weapon. I don't think it's a good idea to give it to infantry lmao Bit of misunderstanding here. In Eve Online the Gallente/Caldari use Antimatter charges but the entire round isn't comprised of the stuff - just the core. They never actually state how much is in that core either and it's generally assumed by the Eve Online community (the role-playing ones at least) that antimatter rounds are comprised almost entirely of the actual containment with a tiny portion of actual antimatter and that's a logical assumption given that you don't want this stuff just going off in your cargo bay. Good point. Still, less than one billionth of a gram is enough to power a lightbulb for several minutes. Even a tiny tiny core is probably highly destructive. Fun fact: Gallente Doomsday fires 83k tons of Anti Matter. Also bear in mind that Eve Online/Dust 514 does not operate on Neutonian Physics =P Well, that's more of a technical difficulty stuff. Imagine calculating newtonian physics for 2000 ships, firing at each other with bullets/missiles that need their own calculations :P Shield regeneration bonus for Gallente Assault is about as useful as Sharpshooter for Nova Knives. Tuna > Tacos
Aeon Amadi Ancient Exiles. Renegade Alliance 4195	Posted - 2013.12.22 13:15:00 - [10] - Quote Cat Merc wrote: Aeon Amadi wrote: Cat Merc wrote: Aeon Amadi wrote: Cat Merc wrote: Anti Matter... Look, a single spoon of this stuff can create an explosion that is 10-20 times as strong as the typical fusion weapon. I don't think it's a good idea to give it to infantry lmao Bit of misunderstanding here. In Eve Online the Gallente/Caldari use Antimatter charges but the entire round isn't comprised of the stuff - just the core. They never actually state how much is in that core either and it's generally assumed by the Eve Online community (the role-playing ones at least) that antimatter rounds are comprised almost entirely of the actual containment with a tiny portion of actual antimatter and that's a logical assumption given that you don't want this stuff just going off in your cargo bay. Good point. Still, less than one billionth of a gram is enough to power a lightbulb for several minutes. Even a tiny tiny core is probably highly destructive. Fun fact: Gallente Doomsday fires 83k tons of Anti Matter. Also bear in mind that Eve Online/Dust 514 does not operate on Neutonian Physics =P Well, that's more of a technical difficulty stuff. Imagine calculating newtonian physics for 2000 ships, firing at each other with bullets/missiles that need their own calculations :P http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=721UGr-h1mg forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m= (Frames)1544109 (Advertisement)1556863 (Packs)1570030 (Lag Hunt) 1570201

Cat Merc Ahrendee Mercenaries EoN. 4876	Posted - 2013.12.22 13:17:00 - [11] - Quote Aeon Amadi wrote: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=721UGr-h1mg Best part of Mass Effect 2 Shield regeneration bonus for Gallente Assault is about as useful as Sharpshooter for Nova Knives. Tuna > Tacos
Killar-12 The Corporate Raiders Top Men. 1904	Posted - 2013.12.25 09:55:00 - [12] - Quote Well you all seem to have pretty good reactions to this all... A-Teams win Battles B-Teams win Campaigns C-Teams win Wars
Dagger-Two Gespenster Kompanie 188	Posted - 2013.12.25 20:35:00 - [13] - Quote Cat Merc wrote: Aeon Amadi wrote: Cat Merc wrote: Anti Matter... Look, a single spoon of this stuff can create an explosion that is 10-20 times as strong as the typical fusion weapon. I don't think it's a good idea to give it to infantry lmao Bit of misunderstanding here. In Eve Online the Gallente/Caldari use Antimatter charges but the entire round isn't comprised of the stuff - just the core. They never actually state how much is in that core either and it's generally assumed by the Eve Online community (the role-playing ones at least) that antimatter rounds are comprised almost entirely of the actual containment with a tiny portion of actual antimatter and that's a logical assumption given that you don't want this stuff just going off in your cargo bay. Good point. Still, less than one billionth of a gram is enough to power a lightbulb for several minutes. Even a tiny tiny core is probably highly destructive. Fun fact: Gallente Doomsday fires 83k tons of Anti Matter. . Source on the 83k ?
Killar-12 The Corporate Raiders Top Men. 1905	Posted - 2013.12.26 07:19:00 - [14] - Quote Dagger-Two wrote: Cat Merc wrote: Aeon Amadi wrote: Cat Merc wrote: Anti Matter... Look, a single spoon of this stuff can create an explosion that is 10-20 times as strong as the typical fusion weapon. I don't think it's a good idea to give it to infantry lmao Bit of misunderstanding here. In Eve Online the Gallente/Caldari use Antimatter charges but the entire round isn't comprised of the stuff - just the core. They never actually state how much is in that core either and it's generally assumed by the Eve Online community (the role-playing ones at least) that antimatter rounds are comprised almost entirely of the actual containment with a tiny portion of actual antimatter and that's a logical assumption given that you don't want this stuff just going off in your cargo bay. Good point. Still, less than one billionth of a gram is enough to power a lightbulb for several minutes. Even a tiny tiny core is probably highly destructive. Fun fact: Gallente Doomsday fires 83k tons of Anti Matter. . Source on the 83k ? does math So if 1kg has a theoretical yeild of about 43 megatons.....and it shoots 83 million kilograms... ... That's about a 3.67 petaton yeild .... Thats 830 times more powerful than the meteor impact which wiped out the dinosaurs. Damn And yeah, it's safe to say the amount of antimatter in hybrid charges is small, scaling from mere grams in small charges to potentially several kilograms of compressed plasma in capital sized (1000mm) rounds. That being said, indantry useability is 0. Miniaturizing a hybrid shell to the point you could shoot it from a gun, AND having it contain antimater of all things, the thing would be far too expensive to produce to justify infantry use, especily when traditional explosives are so common. My small hybrid shells cost 20 ISK, Ammo's cheap, ARs/RRs use Hybrid charges A-Teams win Battles B-Teams win Campaigns C-Teams win Wars
Martyr Saboteur Amarrtyrs 45	Posted - 2013.12.26 07:27:00 - [15] - Quote Aeon Amadi wrote: Cat Merc wrote: Anti Matter... Look, a single spoon of this stuff can create an explosion that is 10-20 times as strong as the typical fusion weapon. I don't think it's a good idea to give it to infantry lmao Bit of misunderstanding here. In Eve Online the Gallente/Caldari use Antimatter charges but the entire round isn't comprised of the stuff - just the core. They never actually state how much is in that core either and it's generally assumed by the Eve Online community (the role-playing ones at least) that antimatter rounds are comprised almost entirely of the actual containment with a tiny portion of actual antimatter and that's a logical assumption given that you don't want this stuff just going off in your cargo bay. EVE takes place in space, where the Antimatter has much less Matter for it to react with. In an atmosphere, the Antimatter would actually react within the cyclotron of blaster weapons, and would turn the AR into a suicide gun. I'm not 100% sure about railguns, but it would probably work for them because the slug might do a good job of safely transporting the Antimatter to the target. ABCDEFGHIJKLMNOPQTSTALLION... I AM THE STALLION
Killar-12 The Corporate Raiders Top Men. 1905	Posted - 2013.12.26 07:30:00 - [16] - Quote Martyr Saboteur wrote: Aeon Amadi wrote: Cat Merc wrote: Anti Matter... Look, a single spoon of this stuff can create an explosion that is 10-20 times as strong as the typical fusion weapon. I don't think it's a good idea to give it to infantry lmao Bit of misunderstanding here. In Eve Online the Gallente/Caldari use Antimatter charges but the entire round isn't comprised of the stuff - just the core. They never actually state how much is in that core either and it's generally assumed by the Eve Online community (the role-playing ones at least) that antimatter rounds are comprised almost entirely of the actual containment with a tiny portion of actual antimatter and that's a logical assumption given that you don't want this stuff just going off in your cargo bay. EVE takes place in space, where the Antimatter has much less Matter for it to react with. In an atmosphere, the Antimatter would actually react within the cyclotron of blaster weapons, and would turn the AR into a suicide gun. I'm not 100% sure about railguns, but it would probably work for them because the slug might do a good job of safely transporting the Antimatter to the target. the Anti matter is conatined in a conatiner made of matter and it's all made into a plasma in space it works well, anyways its a Science Fiction game... A-Teams win Battles B-Teams win Campaigns C-Teams win Wars
Martyr Saboteur Amarrtyrs 45	Posted - 2013.12.26 07:36:00 - [17] - Quote Killar-12 wrote: Martyr Saboteur wrote: Aeon Amadi wrote: Cat Merc wrote: Anti Matter... Look, a single spoon of this stuff can create an explosion that is 10-20 times as strong as the typical fusion weapon. I don't think it's a good idea to give it to infantry lmao Bit of misunderstanding here. In Eve Online the Gallente/Caldari use Antimatter charges but the entire round isn't comprised of the stuff - just the core. They never actually state how much is in that core either and it's generally assumed by the Eve Online community (the role-playing ones at least) that antimatter rounds are comprised almost entirely of the actual containment with a tiny portion of actual antimatter and that's a logical assumption given that you don't want this stuff just going off in your cargo bay. EVE takes place in space, where the Antimatter has much less Matter for it to react with. In an atmosphere, the Antimatter would actually react within the cyclotron of blaster weapons, and would turn the AR into a suicide gun. I'm not 100% sure about railguns, but it would probably work for them because the slug might do a good job of safely transporting the Antimatter to the target. the Anti matter is conatined in a conatiner made of matter and it's all made into a plasma in space it works well, anyways its a Science Fiction game... Blasters don't fire the whole hybrid charge like railguns do though. There would be no barrier between the Antimatter and the atmosphere. Exploding guns... ABCDEFGHIJKLMNOPQTSTALLION... I AM THE STALLION
Killar-12 The Corporate Raiders Top Men. 1905	Posted - 2013.12.26 07:37:00 - [18] - Quote Martyr Saboteur wrote: Killar-12 wrote: Martyr Saboteur wrote: Aeon Amadi wrote: Cat Merc wrote: Anti Matter... Look, a single spoon of this stuff can create an explosion that is 10-20 times as strong as the typical fusion weapon. I don't think it's a good idea to give it to infantry lmao Bit of misunderstanding here. In Eve Online the Gallente/Caldari use Antimatter charges but the entire round isn't comprised of the stuff - just the core. They never actually state how much is in that core either and it's generally assumed by the Eve Online community (the role-playing ones at least) that antimatter rounds are comprised almost entirely of the actual containment with a tiny portion of actual antimatter and that's a logical assumption given that you don't want this stuff just going off in your cargo bay. EVE takes place in space, where the Antimatter has much less Matter for it to react with. In an atmosphere, the Antimatter would actually react within the cyclotron of blaster weapons, and would turn the AR into a suicide gun. I'm not 100% sure about railguns, but it would probably work for them because the slug might do a good job of safely transporting the Antimatter to the target. the Anti matter is conatined in a conatiner made of matter and it's all made into a plasma in space it works well, anyways its a Science Fiction game... Blasters don't fire the whole hybrid charge like railguns do though. There would be no barrier between the Antimatter and the atmosphere. Exploding guns... Magnetic Conatinment field due to the projectile being in a Plasma state... A-Teams win Battles B-Teams win Campaigns C-Teams win Wars
Martyr Saboteur Amarrtyrs 45	Posted - 2013.12.26 07:47:00 - [19] - Quote Killar-12 wrote: Martyr Saboteur wrote: Blasters don't fire the whole hybrid charge like railguns do though. There would be no barrier between the Antimatter and the atmosphere. Exploding guns... Magnetic Conatinment field due to the projectile being in a Plasma state... You can't be sure there is no matter within the field though... They would probably just substitute the Antimatter with a more stable element that isn't Antimatter. I can't imagine the Gallente taking such a risk. ABCDEFGHIJKLMNOPQTSTALLION... I AM THE STALLION
Dagger-Two Gespenster Kompanie 188	Posted - 2013.12.26 08:28:00 - [20] - Quote Killar-12 wrote: Dagger-Two wrote: Cat Merc wrote: Aeon Amadi wrote: Cat Merc wrote: Anti Matter... Look, a single spoon of this stuff can create an explosion that is 10-20 times as strong as the typical fusion weapon. I don't think it's a good idea to give it to infantry lmao Bit of misunderstanding here. In Eve Online the Gallente/Caldari use Antimatter charges but the entire round isn't comprised of the stuff - just the core. They never actually state how much is in that core either and it's generally assumed by the Eve Online community (the role-playing ones at least) that antimatter rounds are comprised almost entirely of the actual containment with a tiny portion of actual antimatter and that's a logical assumption given that you don't want this stuff just going off in your cargo bay. Good point. Still, less than one billionth of a gram is enough to power a lightbulb for several minutes. Even a tiny tiny core is probably highly destructive. Fun fact: Gallente Doomsday fires 83k tons of Anti Matter. . Source on the 83k ? does math So if 1kg has a theoretical yeild of about 43 megatons.....and it shoots 83 million kilograms... ... That's about a 3.67 petaton yeild .... Thats 830 times more powerful than the meteor impact which wiped out the dinosaurs. Damn And yeah, it's safe to say the amount of antimatter in hybrid charges is small, scaling from mere grams in small charges to potentially several kilograms of compressed plasma in capital sized (1000mm) rounds. That being said, indantry useability is 0. Miniaturizing a hybrid shell to the point you could shoot it from a gun, AND having it contain antimater of all things, the thing would be far too expensive to produce to justify infantry use, especily when traditional explosives are so common. My small hybrid shells cost 20 ISK, Ammo's cheap, ARs/RRs use Hybrid charges No, plasma rifles and handheld rail weapons do not use anything akin to a hybrid charge. Plasma rifles like the G75-VLB in dust use a lead round (still called a charge) which consists of a lead pellet with a fuse on it. The vuse vaporizes itself and the lead into the plasma state when activated by the weapon, which is then processed into a comptessed bolt inside the cyclotron, and fired out through superconducting rails. The rail rifle and rail sniper rifles fire small flechettes. And a small hybrid shell may not cost much in eve, bur youre also A) dealing in the capsuleer market, and B) talking about fairly large munitions. A containment unit for antimatter would be much easier to make for a 150mm shell, and much more difficult for something smaller than a finger. That aside, you couldnt fire antimatter out of a plasma rifle anyway since the rounds are solid, and changed to plasma inside the gun. Different metals for the rounds, though, would create different effects. The heavier the metal ( \m/ ) the more dense the resulting plasma, potentially meaning more damage. Also good to note, blaster-style weapons fire at much greater velocities than rail weapons, but the magnetic 'bottle' surrounding the plasma only lasts for small fractions of a second before dissapating, which is why they have such poor range.

Niuvo NECROM0NGERS Covert Intervention 919	Posted - 2013.12.26 09:42:00 - [21] - Quote It would be cool if we can manually switch ammo type in a firefight. We would be vulnerable when doing so.
Killar-12 The Corporate Raiders Top Men. 1907	Posted - 2013.12.27 07:09:00 - [22] - Quote Dagger-Two wrote: Killar-12 wrote: Dagger-Two wrote: Cat Merc wrote: Aeon Amadi wrote: Bit of misunderstanding here. In Eve Online the Gallente/Caldari use Antimatter charges but the entire round isn't comprised of the stuff - just the core. They never actually state how much is in that core either and it's generally assumed by the Eve Online community (the role-playing ones at least) that antimatter rounds are comprised almost entirely of the actual containment with a tiny portion of actual antimatter and that's a logical assumption given that you don't want this stuff just going off in your cargo bay. Good point. Still, less than one billionth of a gram is enough to power a lightbulb for several minutes. Even a tiny tiny core is probably highly destructive. Fun fact: Gallente Doomsday fires 83k tons of Anti Matter. . Source on the 83k ? does math So if 1kg has a theoretical yeild of about 43 megatons.....and it shoots 83 million kilograms... ... That's about a 3.67 petaton yeild .... Thats 830 times more powerful than the meteor impact which wiped out the dinosaurs. Damn And yeah, it's safe to say the amount of antimatter in hybrid charges is small, scaling from mere grams in small charges to potentially several kilograms of compressed plasma in capital sized (1000mm) rounds. That being said, indantry useability is 0. Miniaturizing a hybrid shell to the point you could shoot it from a gun, AND having it contain antimater of all things, the thing would be far too expensive to produce to justify infantry use, especily when traditional explosives are so common. My small hybrid shells cost 20 ISK, Ammo's cheap, ARs/RRs use Hybrid charges No, plasma rifles and handheld rail weapons do not use anything akin to a hybrid charge. Plasma rifles like the G75-VLB in dust use a lead round (still called a charge) which consists of a lead pellet with a fuse on it. The vuse vaporizes itself and the lead into the plasma state when activated by the weapon, which is then processed into a comptessed bolt inside the cyclotron, and fired out through superconducting rails. The rail rifle and rail sniper rifles fire small flechettes. And a small hybrid shell may not cost much in eve, bur youre also A) dealing in the capsuleer market, and B) talking about fairly large munitions. A containment unit for antimatter would be much easier to make for a 150mm shell, and much more difficult for something smaller than a finger. That aside, you couldnt fire antimatter out of a plasma rifle anyway since the rounds are solid, and changed to plasma inside the gun. Different metals for the rounds, though, would create different effects. The heavier the metal ( \m/ ) the more dense the resulting plasma, potentially meaning more damage. Also good to note, blaster-style weapons fire at much greater velocities than rail weapons, but the magnetic 'bottle' surrounding the plasma only lasts for small fractions of a second before dissapating, which is why they have such poor range. Just substitute AM with Plutonium A-Teams win Battles B-Teams win Campaigns C-Teams win Wars


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