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Leonid Tybalt
DIOS EX.
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Posted - 2013.12.17 22:38:00 -
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Talryn Vilneram wrote:I was actually thinking the same thing. I think tanks are spammed because they are difficult to kill, they have a fairly low ISK investment and can kill ANYTHING.
I think the main turrets should only be able to kill a suit standing still. You want to kill infantry? You have to fit 20GJ blasters or whatever and either switch seats and be immobile, or get your buddies to man the smaller turrets.
Just like in EVE where the larger ships have a hard time hitting smaller ships that are moving fast. It makes that game very balanced.
It would be incredibly stupid though. Theres a tangible real-world reason why larger ships have a hard time killing smaller ships in Eve. There is no such tangible reason as to why a tank should have a hard time killing infantry.
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Tiny Pineapple
Army of 420's
Lokun Listamenn
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Posted - 2013.12.17 22:38:00 -
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Jammer Jalapeno wrote:Seymor Krelborn wrote:then a dropsuit should only be killed by a dropsuit.
I propose like in eve where larger ships have issue hitting smaller ships the same should apply here.
before you tell me what a stupid idea this is... ask yourself if you are one of those people who think only a tank should kill a tank and tell yourself how stupid that idea is. Hell NO! If a tank is trying to bite me I WILL HUNT YOU DOWN AND EAT YOU. If tanks can kill infantry than infantry should be able to fight back and take down that juicy piece of meat.
I expect nothing less of a response from a member of Big Bad Wolves. o7 |
Seymor Krelborn
DUST University
Ivy League
1684
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Posted - 2013.12.18 00:12:00 -
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Leonid Tybalt wrote:Talryn Vilneram wrote:I was actually thinking the same thing. I think tanks are spammed because they are difficult to kill, they have a fairly low ISK investment and can kill ANYTHING.
I think the main turrets should only be able to kill a suit standing still. You want to kill infantry? You have to fit 20GJ blasters or whatever and either switch seats and be immobile, or get your buddies to man the smaller turrets.
Just like in EVE where the larger ships have a hard time hitting smaller ships that are moving fast. It makes that game very balanced. It would be incredibly stupid though. Theres a tangible real-world reason why larger ships have a hard time killing smaller ships in Eve. There is no such tangible reason as to why a tank should have a hard time killing infantry. Game-balance should not infrigne on plausibility.
actually no, there is no tangible real world reason...its just an eve mechanic...if eve were real world a small ship would eat a large ship for breakfast, how? firing at its thrusters, or landing on it and sending a spec ops team in to take out the engineering section...
in real life tanks don't attack infantry... they attack positions they psh the line to give infantry a hole to take out infantry...
when a tank does kill a person its do to splash damage from the turret (tanks in RL don't have Blasters )
go learn something and come back....
stop the lol bans in FW.... instead make teamkillers purple!
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Vrain Matari
ZionTCD
Public Disorder.
1382
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Posted - 2013.12.22 15:34:00 -
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Our Deepest Regret wrote:Shion Typhon wrote:
Clear differences in power??!? So a good game is one where the other side has overwhelming advantage and no danger and the other side faces all the danger, this causes some mystical effect which you can't explain that makes the game competitive. Sounds logical to me!
You need to stop smoking that weed.
When it's not tanks, it's proto-gear. The side with the best equipment always wins, and in ambush, it's very rarely a close match. I'm beginning to suspect this game has never been balanced, nor will it ever be. ' What can ye do? Just take it easy, I guess.
Not true. Your own corp, L.O.T.I.S., could prolly run STD gear and wipe the floor with the opposition in the majority of pub matches.
I support SP rollover.
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Mobius Wyvern
Isuuaya Tactical
Caldari State
4206
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Posted - 2013.12.22 15:38:00 -
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Seymor Krelborn wrote:then a dropsuit should only be killed by a dropsuit.
I propose like in eve where larger ships have issue hitting smaller ships the same should apply here.
before you tell me what a stupid idea this is... ask yourself if you are one of those people who think only a tank should kill a tank and tell yourself how stupid that idea is.
Only the morons no one should be paying attention to use that excuse.
If some tank driver throws that at you when you talk about vehicle and infantry balance, just stop talking to them.
Amidst the blue skies
A link from past to future
The sheltering wings of the protector
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Paran Tadec
Imperfect Bastards
1800
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Posted - 2013.12.22 15:43:00 -
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TheBLAZZED wrote:
What would stop a red dot from nonchalantly strolling up and slapping a bunch of remote explosives on you?
Support infantry
Bittervet Proficiency V
thanks logibro!
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crazy space 1
GunFall Mobilization
Covert Intervention
2119
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Posted - 2013.12.22 15:56:00 -
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Dropships
If we should shoot out of thrm tanks be toast. Highspeed combat. COME ON BIG BATTLES |
Crimson ShieId
Psygod9
D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E
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Posted - 2013.12.22 16:31:00 -
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Seymor Krelborn wrote:then a dropsuit should only be killed by a dropsuit.
I propose like in eve where larger ships have issue hitting smaller ships the same should apply here.
before you tell me what a stupid idea this is... ask yourself if you are one of those people who think only a tank should kill a tank and tell yourself how stupid that idea is.
Have you ever tried to hit a bunny suit with a tank? It's not easy, especially up close. Bunny hop more and your problem is solved. Works for me and just about everyone else, it can work for you too... unless you're a heavy, then you're SOL. |
Harpyja
DUST University
Ivy League
947
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Posted - 2013.12.22 16:33:00 -
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I think large missile turrets are the most balanced 
Difficult to kill infantry with but are wonderful tankbusters.
"By His light, and His will"
- The Scriptures, Gheinok the First, 12:32
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Operative 1171 Aajli
Bragian Order
Amarr Empire
927
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Posted - 2013.12.22 16:37:00 -
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Seymor Krelborn wrote:then a dropsuit should only be killed by a dropsuit.
I propose like in eve where larger ships have issue hitting smaller ships the same should apply here.
before you tell me what a stupid idea this is... ask yourself if you are one of those people who think only a tank should kill a tank and tell yourself how stupid that idea is.
Which translates to make the blaster slower rate of fire with more damage. The other two turrets can kill small things as effectively as large turrets in EVE, which is to say not all that much.
Do your part. Join the revolution. Sabotage FW. Help this game burn!
BURN DUST 2014
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Demel Derpovsky
Derringer Defenses
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Posted - 2013.12.22 16:39:00 -
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That's kind of what is happening....
Your tank is fat, big, and bulky.
Your dropsuit is fast, swift, and flexible.
You don't kill tanks anymore, you run away from them, call in your own, use a charge, get an anti tank squad, and you survive like that. |
Alena Ventrallis
The Neutral Zone
352
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Posted - 2013.12.22 16:51:00 -
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Perhaps we should buff hardener resistance gain, and nerf tank total hp. Make the hardeners matter more. For instance, make hardeners give 80% increase instead of 60%, but reduce total vehicle hp so that we end up with the same ehp as we do now when hardeners are up. Make that window of opportunity mean more. |
Vesago Ghostcore
Rejected Clones
99
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Posted - 2013.12.22 17:07:00 -
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I think a lot of the issue isn't that tanks are invulnerable or a win button so to speak. Its more likely that having a field with 5 enemy tanks running around removes the ground games usual tactics. Tankers are happy to say that you should need to field teams of AV to destroy them, but in what situation is it tactically possible to have infantry deal with 5 tanks? In this situation all ability to capture objectives is removed in lieu of forcing everyone to run AV to deal with the massive amounts of Armor on the field.
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Instant response from tankers will of course be field your own tanks. Sure. But in the situation i speak of, usually someone already has, and by the time a pile of tanks are on the ground how reasonable is it to call in 5 tanks. They will mostly be shot down before they hit the ground.
But that's not the issue.
The issue is that if your team does not field enough tanks, they will fail. Forcing a half a dozen members of a team to focus on AV loses the game. Asking your random 15 minute friends to bring tanks isn't possible.
I offer 2 possible options to try and resolve the Tank 514 issue. Neither diminish the tank in any way.
1. Let flux grenades kill Tank buffs, and keep them dead for a reasonable amount of time. This allows infantry to have a real impact on supporting AV.
2. Limit each side to 2 or 3 tanks at any given time.
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Flix Keptick
Red Star.
EoN.
1724
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Posted - 2013.12.22 17:11:00 -
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Why would anyone deploy tanks... Seriously, if the enemy team has a tank and it can't really do **** to my team then why would I even bother calling a tank in?
Going to stay out of AV/V debates, better for my sanity.
G˙åTank driverG˙å
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4447
Resolution XIII
945
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Posted - 2013.12.22 17:13:00 -
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CCP should just do what every other FPS does, And that's Small arms damage Tanks.
Troll, For lifeGĮĒ But maybe a dragon, uh a bigger dragon.
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Takahiro Kashuken
Red Star.
EoN.
2020
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Posted - 2013.12.22 17:19:00 -
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OP go buy COD ghosts
No vehicles for you to bother with
Intelligence is OP
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Seymor Krelborn
DUST University
Ivy League
1762
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Posted - 2013.12.23 17:38:00 -
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Takahiro Kashuken wrote:OP go buy COD ghosts
No vehicles for you to bother with
I haven't liked the cod series since 3... what was that, like 10 years ago?
as far as vehicles go I love vehicles, I drive an LAV in dust, and in other games like GTA, HALO, and skyrim (do horses count as vehicles ) vehicles are a lot of fun.
but I could say to you if you love vehicles so much your willing to shun people part of this already tiny player base, maybe you should go play world of tanks.
stop the lol bans in FW.... instead make teamkillers purple!
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nakaya indigene
0uter.Heaven
105
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Posted - 2013.12.23 20:30:00 -
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Missile and rail turrets can't hit infantry that are moving. But kill tanks with ease. Blaster tanks on the other hand have a really good advantage against infantry but aren't able to kill tanks quite as effectivly as a rail. So yes tank combat is fine. The meat of this topic is that tanks are too fast and there are too many for AV to nail down. QQ all you want but this game will have vechile combat. Go play your call of duty.
The Jove espier
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Xender17
Ahrendee Mercenaries
EoN.
965
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Posted - 2013.12.23 20:54:00 -
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Please keep in mind that no one person speaks on behalf of everyone or a group.
I feel that tank should only get killed by tanks is a very stupid idea and quite the double standard. (By what you said)
AV buffs needed in my opinion
+50 dmg to each swarm. Increase damage bonus on armor to 130% (due swarm damage being less effective against a maddy than a gunny if both had there hardeners off.)
+150-250 dmg to AV grenades (add explosive radius that applies to both vehicles and infantry just less to the latter.)
Add A.V.S to Flux G description. They are extremely effective against un-active gunnys.
Add a color change or flashing icon somewhere on the screen if a vehicle has a hardener active. While the weapon is on the vehicles. Apperently the vehicle lighting up isn't enough for infantry to get the picture.
Prt SL, SCR, SR . ADV FGs, MDs, LaZor, KNs.
Gunnlogi, Falchion, Python, Caldari LDS. (+require)
Prt L. Am, Adv HVY, LGS
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Tallen Ellecon
KILL-EM-QUICK
RISE of LEGION
1128
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Posted - 2013.12.23 21:09:00 -
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I like the EVE model. Large turrets stay so slow that they are impractical against infantry. Small turrets are perfect against infantry, so gunners are ideal, making the manpower imbalance less of an issue. Blasters focus on close range high damage and Rails have less damage but have a much longer range.
Tarn chose peace. Tallen chose war. Where is my Gallente sidearm?
SoonGäķ514
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DeathwindRising
ROGUE SPADES
156
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Posted - 2013.12.23 21:19:00 -
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Naviticus wrote:yap yap yap yap just make them more expensive again the cost is why people spam. Why spawn a 200k proto av suit when you could spawn a 60k militia tank and have more of a chance
dont make tanks expensive... make pilot suits expensive. |
CommanderBolt
ACME SPECIAL FORCES
485
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Posted - 2013.12.23 21:56:00 -
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Seymor Krelborn wrote:then a dropsuit should only be killed by a dropsuit.
I propose like in eve where larger ships have issue hitting smaller ships the same should apply here.
before you tell me what a stupid idea this is... ask yourself if you are one of those people who think only a tank should kill a tank and tell yourself how stupid that idea is.
I thought that would be the case when it came to weapons.
I.E DUST weapons are similar to their space counterparts....
Example -
Space Railgun - Longest range suffers up close with bad tracking
DUST railgun - longest range yet does not suffer up close like its space counterpart.
Space Blaster - Shortest range, highest DPS more like a shotgun, struggles to damage or hit anything NOT in close range
DUST Blaster - does not act like a shot gun, has range and dps.....
The list goes on but the weapons are nothing much like they are in EVE :(
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Naviticus
OSG Planetary Operations
Covert Intervention
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Posted - 2013.12.24 18:09:00 -
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DeathwindRising wrote:Naviticus wrote:yap yap yap yap just make them more expensive again the cost is why people spam. Why spawn a 200k proto av suit when you could spawn a 60k militia tank and have more of a chance dont make tanks expensive... make pilot suits expensive.
they need to make pilot suits in the first place. 2nd it wouldnt stop the militia tanks getting called in every match. Never before have I head people comparing what militia modules they have on their militia tank. You dont hear people setting up nasty op dropsuits with all militia gear... and 3rd people would just say ehh i dont feel like calling in my pilot suit so imma just call a tank |
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