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Texs Red DUST University Ivy League 104	Posted - 2013.12.17 06:35:00 - [1] - Quote Win all to dropships Sica basic damage amp mlt hardener basic ammo expansion x2 Total SP investment 323,360 SP Effect: You can now redline railgun on most any map and have the ability to 3-shot any assault dropship with a tank that costs less than 80k
PARKOUR PRACTIONER Redline Defense Force Seekers of the Unseen 34	Posted - 2013.12.17 07:01:00 - [2] - Quote I transport people in them (if I feel like it) and practice barrel rolls. I appreciate your findings, but I REALLY like barrel rolls, and backflips in my militia gorgon.XD 'Don't talk to strangers, shoot them.' Snow LOCKOUT Scout Devotee. You'd just LOVE to think it was the wind.
Mobius Wyvern Guardian Solutions DARKSTAR ARMY 4101	Posted - 2013.12.17 07:03:00 - [3] - Quote Texs Red wrote: Win all to dropships Sica basic damage amp mlt hardener basic ammo expansion x2 Total SP investment 323,360 SP Effect: You can now redline railgun on most any map and have the ability to 3-shot any assault dropship with a tank that costs less than 80k I can still afterburn straight out over you and empty my railgun into your roof. Amidst the blue skies A link from past to future The sheltering wings of the protector
Cyrius Li-Moody The New Age Outlaws WINMATAR. 2325	Posted - 2013.12.17 07:03:00 - [4] - Quote yeah spent all night in an assault dropship. Lost ohhh I don't know... 10 million in a very short time. Railguns in the red line pretty much make a dropship useless unless it's one of the new maps. Youtuber. Your friendly neighborhood whiskey-fueled merc.
Ghosts Chance Inf4m0us 472	Posted - 2013.12.17 07:19:00 - [5] - Quote xX Blackhole Nova Xx disagrees ive both seen him solo redline rails in a python and been the gunner for such crazy antics you arnt safe in the redline
Seigfried Warheit 112	Posted - 2013.12.17 07:26:00 - [6] - Quote Texs Red wrote: Win all to dropships Sica basic damage amp mlt hardener basic ammo expansion x2 Total SP investment 323,360 SP Effect: You can now redline railgun on most any map and have the ability to 3-shot any assault dropship with a tank that costs less than 80k Dont even need to invest sp just but the damage amp with mtl hardnener and railgun ammo and your good to go..sp invesment = none
PARKOUR PRACTIONER Redline Defense Force Seekers of the Unseen 39	Posted - 2013.12.17 08:35:00 - [7] - Quote Barrel Roll. 'Don't talk to strangers, shoot them.' Snow LOCKOUT Scout Devotee. You'd just LOVE to think it was the wind.
Judge Rhadamanthus Amarr Templar One 966	Posted - 2013.12.17 09:26:00 - [8] - Quote Its not the tank. Its the Redline and the range. Because of the redline and full map range a rail tanker can build a weak tank as he does not have to face the enemy. So he can stack damage mods as he armour is redline hiding. This is my biggest gripe with 1.7 so far. Tanks with super power and super range and then add the speed they have now, not the bug but the base speed, they are almost invincible. There is just no way something that deadly should be unreachable. ITs the same with redline snipers. Everything Dropship youtube channel my Community Spotlight
ALT2 acc The dyst0pian Corporation Zero-Day 33	Posted - 2013.12.17 09:36:00 - [9] - Quote Judge Rhadamanthus wrote: The fact that it may be possible every now and then to get to odd inattentive or weakened tank in the redline, and obtuse and self serving boasting are not relevant here. The balance of the engagement is still completely unfair. I still have to engage inside of a zone that kills me if i stay in it for a short time. The tank does not have that problem. Its not the tank. Its the Redline and the range. Because of the redline and full map range a rail tanker can build a weak tank as he does not have to face the enemy. So he can stack damage mods as he armour is redline hiding. This is my biggest gripe with 1.7 so far. Tanks with super power and super range and then add the speed they have now, not the bug but the base speed, they are almost invincible. There is just no way something that deadly should be nerfed the railguns fire rate along with the damage buff from 1.6 need to be removed, its a long range weapon not a super high DPS range weapon
Judge Rhadamanthus Amarr Templar One 966	Posted - 2013.12.17 09:50:00 - [10] - Quote ALT2 acc wrote: Judge Rhadamanthus wrote: ...........they are almost invincible. There is just no way something that deadly should be nerfed the railguns fire rate along with the damage buff from 1.6 need to be removed, its a long range weapon not a super high DPS range weapon Don't quote someone and edit it to change the complete meaning of their post without mentioning that you did so. Misrepresenting my viewpoint is not helpful. I wrote : "There is just no way something that deadly should be unreachable" Everything Dropship youtube channel my Community Spotlight

Lynn Beck Granite Mercenary Division Top Men. 360	Posted - 2013.12.17 09:58:00 - [11] - Quote As a side note- nullarbor tells tanks are being slower tomorrow! Under 28db Officially nerfproof (predicting CR nerf February '14) The only bad AV is ones not using Plc.
ALT2 acc The dyst0pian Corporation Zero-Day 33	Posted - 2013.12.17 10:11:00 - [12] - Quote Judge Rhadamanthus wrote: ALT2 acc wrote: Judge Rhadamanthus wrote: ...........they are almost invincible. There is just no way something that deadly should be nerfed the railguns fire rate along with the damage buff from 1.6 need to be removed, its a long range weapon not a super high DPS range weapon Don't quote someone and edit it to change the complete meaning of their post without mentioning that you did so. Misrepresenting my viewpoint is not helpful. I wrote : "There is just no way something that deadly should be unreachable" ps3 char limit & railguns are too op, 2 shoting my python, hardener up after 1st shot+booster, 2550 shield
Alena Ventrallis The Neutral Zone 320	Posted - 2013.12.17 10:16:00 - [13] - Quote Suppose we made railguns unable to track higher than 20 degrees or so? Dropships have the sky, railguns keep the power.
Broonfondle Majikthies Bannana Boat Corp Relentless Heroes Alliance 607	Posted - 2013.12.17 10:25:00 - [14] - Quote The concept of the redline is important. We need a staging area to gather forces and make an offensive. But we need to make that area a 'no damage' zone where neither side can engage into or from. Snipers, other infantry and tanks will have to leave it in order to do damage I don't know how that will work for the emplaced installations in the redline but we do need people to engage decisively onto the battlefield where they are counterable "...where Bylothgar the Ill-postured was made King of the People With No Name But Decent Footwear"
jerrmy12 kahoalii The dyst0pian Corporation Zero-Day 152	Posted - 2013.12.17 10:26:00 - [15] - Quote Alena Ventrallis wrote: Suppose we made railguns unable to track higher than 20 degrees or so? Dropships have the sky, railguns keep the power. thier fire rate is still too high, & thier damage needs reducing my 100 recuruit link 5 to 11 mil isk per 100k recuruit
Alena Ventrallis The Neutral Zone 320	Posted - 2013.12.17 10:33:00 - [16] - Quote I was thinking mainly in terms of dropships. I think the damage needs a buff, and the fire rate greatly reduced. Blaster should be lower damage but higher dps, and the rail high damage but low dps. Ooh! MAke them deal about 1.5x to 2x more damage than they do now, but have to reload after every shot! Reduce ammo accordingly.
Darken-Sol BIG BAD W0LVES 858	Posted - 2013.12.17 10:40:00 - [17] - Quote Judge Rhadamanthus wrote: That it may be possible every now and then to kill the odd inattentive or weakened tank in the redline, and obtuse and self serving boasting are not relevant here. The balance of the engagement is still completely unfair. I still have to engage inside of a zone that kills me if i stay in it for a short time. The tank does not have that problem. Yet he can engage me in my zone of advantage, the sky no problem at all, almost anywhere I happen to be. Its not the tank. Its the Redline and the range. Because of the redline and full map range a rail tanker can build a weak tank as he does not have to face the enemy. So he can stack damage mods as he armour is redline hiding. This is my biggest gripe with 1.7 so far. Tanks with super power and super range and then add the speed they have now, not the bug but the base speed, they are almost invincible. There is just no way something that deadly should be unreachable. ITs the same with redline snipers. another rail or two should pop him. We charge three forges and wait til he pokes his cowardly head out. as you say they are usually glass cannons. Strap a damage mod and a nitrous to a soma and roll up on him. If he's not toast jump out and bean him with AV grenades. Yolo
Texs Red DUST University Ivy League 105	Posted - 2013.12.17 13:56:00 - [18] - Quote It's not just tanks either, installations are a problem too. Because I can't stay in the redline I usually have about 10 seconds to try and kill the turret, probably while the other 2-3 redline installations are shooting at me. Missile installations in particular are especially bad, I have had them notice me at 600 meters and continue to shoot me out to 1000 meters. To make it worse they have unlimited ammo and can send off a volley of like 6 shots every 2 seconds, it makes it impossible to fly!
Slag Emberforge Immortal Retribution 318	Posted - 2013.12.17 14:12:00 - [19] - Quote Run with a dedicated forge gunner or two, we can take out enemy installations and when utilizing a LAV troll the red-line railfags. Admittedly pre-1.7 it was much more lethal, but still will get the job done.
Grimmiers 0uter.Heaven 381	Posted - 2013.12.17 14:19:00 - [20] - Quote I think they should lower the spool time slightly and decrease the rof on the railguns. It would be nice if they lower the damage up to 20% based on how far the shot was. That's how I would balance it at least because I'm dead before I can even open the module wheel which should only be possible if you get hit by 2 separate tanks/forges. SoundCloud Recruiter Link Pronounced Grim-e-urs

Sir Snugglz Red Star. EoN. 184	Posted - 2013.12.17 14:22:00 - [21] - Quote The tanks are not op... its the redline and the range.... I even go as far as to say just redline. Take away the redline and those tanks will go down. You dont know how many times I just wait at the redline, like border patrol. the second they cross it a dive bomb them!!! So I could care less about how op a tank may be.. get rid of the redline or increase the time it takes a dropship can be in it
Mobius Wyvern Guardian Solutions DARKSTAR ARMY 4108	Posted - 2013.12.17 14:32:00 - [22] - Quote Judge Rhadamanthus wrote: That it may be possible every now and then to kill the odd inattentive or weakened tank in the redline, and obtuse and self serving boasting are not relevant here. The balance of the engagement is still completely unfair. I still have to engage inside of a zone that kills me if i stay in it for a short time. The tank does not have that problem. Yet he can engage me in my zone of advantage, the sky no problem at all, almost anywhere I happen to be. Its not the tank. Its the Redline and the range. Because of the redline and full map range a rail tanker can build a weak tank as he does not have to face the enemy. So he can stack damage mods as he armour is redline hiding. This is my biggest gripe with 1.7 so far. Tanks with super power and super range and then add the speed they have now, not the bug but the base speed, they are almost invincible. There is just no way something that deadly should be unreachable. ITs the same with redline snipers. In many ways this update seems to have left us coming back to the infamous redline yet again, just as many of our discussions did back in the Closed Beta. The issue again becomes how to deal with it with the redline effectively being an essential map component to prevent the farming issues that were a major component of the E3 build. Anyone at the bottom end of Line Harvest would just get farmed by HAVs, snipers, and whatever else anyone pulled out because the redzone was too small to offer them protection. Personally, this seems like another example of why having a game full of "bowl" maps isn't exactly the best idea. No matter what map you're on, the redline almost always provides an elevated position that makes sniping or railgunning from behind it ideal. Amidst the blue skies A link from past to future The sheltering wings of the protector
Dust Junky 4Life Shitstorm Inc 200	Posted - 2013.12.17 14:57:00 - [23] - Quote Texs Red wrote: Win all to dropships Sica basic damage amp mlt hardener basic ammo expansion x2 Total SP investment 323,360 SP Effect: You can now redline railgun on most any map and have the ability to 3-shot any assault dropship with a tank that costs less than 80k Useless? Are you fking insane? Im running the 30k milita ships like suits. SMOOSH I bought over 2000 of em for like 60mill. They are more useful now then they ever were. Got 10 mill back already. I also use them to block doors so enemies cant escape. Stock up before they get jacked up again. Total SP invested in ships/vehicles -0- A Shitstorm is coming...........
Dust Junky 4Life Shitstorm Inc 200	Posted - 2013.12.17 15:00:00 - [24] - Quote Wanted to add, I saw an assault ship go 30/0 yesterday. I was bored and just sat blasting him with rail turret all match "stealing my kills". I flipped him over a couple times. Fker got first place too. A Shitstorm is coming...........


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