DUST Search - Prototype Commandos, what do you want for the Commando?

Aero Yassavi wrote:

I've been seeing a lot of threads start popping up about commandos so figure it's a good time to revisit the "how to fix it" thread. If you are crazy enough to have used a prototype commando before, leave your thoughts. Otherwise, you can sit back and watch.

For me,
1) Increase the shield recharge rate. Only 10 hp/s recharge? You got to be kidding me. It needs to be buffed to at least 20 hp/s, but even more than that would be fair.
2) Increase CPU/PG. Not sure by how much, but it's definitely far too low to do anything useful.
3) Add one more low slot to all tiers. 0 H 1 L at standard, 1 H 2 L at advanced, 2 H 2 L at proto.
4) Lower the ISK prices to be in line with other suits. CCP, did you really think the Commando would be so good that it needed to cost more?
5a) Change the bonuses. Reload speed doesn't really help anyone. Everyone pretty much agrees that the reload proficiency skill is the most worthless on a weapon's skill tree. Meanwhile, everyone seems to agree Commandos are meant for more working the perimeter instead of charging headfirst, so maybe give it a weapon range bonus? Or if that is too much, maybe a rate of fire bonus? Of it that is still too much, perhaps a max ammo bonus? Honestly, anything is better than reload speed.
5b) And the racial bonus. It makes no sense. Commandos are a class that sacrifices modules. Amarr is the race that always has the least modules. So why a skill that focuses on the negative? I know CCP said before "it's to make each module count" but that is still a lame excuse. You can't take advantage of the racial bonus like other roles can of their racial bonuses. Maybe a fitting reduction for laser weapons? Or heck, Amarr are the stamina guys so maybe improved stamina, going with the theme that Commandos work the perimeters. Again, anything is better than the bonus we got now.

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Aero Yassavi Scions of Athra 4145	Posted - 2013.12.17 02:44:00 - [1] - Quote I've been seeing a lot of threads start popping up about commandos so figure it's a good time to revisit the "how to fix it" thread. If you are crazy enough to have used a prototype commando before, leave your thoughts. Otherwise, you can sit back and watch. For me, 1) Increase the shield recharge rate. Only 10 hp/s recharge? You got to be kidding me. It needs to be buffed to at least 20 hp/s, but even more than that would be fair. 2) Increase CPU/PG. Not sure by how much, but it's definitely far too low to do anything useful. 3) Add one more low slot to all tiers. 0 H 1 L at standard, 1 H 2 L at advanced, 2 H 2 L at proto. 4) Lower the ISK prices to be in line with other suits. CCP, did you really think the Commando would be so good that it needed to cost more? 5a) Change the bonuses. Reload speed doesn't really help anyone. Everyone pretty much agrees that the reload proficiency skill is the most worthless on a weapon's skill tree. Meanwhile, everyone seems to agree Commandos are meant for more working the perimeter instead of charging headfirst, so maybe give it a weapon range bonus? Or if that is too much, maybe a rate of fire bonus? Of it that is still too much, perhaps a max ammo bonus? Honestly, anything is better than reload speed. 5b) And the racial bonus. It makes no sense. Commandos are a class that sacrifices modules. Amarr is the race that always has the least modules. So why a skill that focuses on the negative? I know CCP said before "it's to make each module count" but that is still a lame excuse. You can't take advantage of the racial bonus like other roles can of their racial bonuses. Maybe a fitting reduction for laser weapons? Or heck, Amarr are the stamina guys so maybe improved stamina, going with the theme that Commandos work the perimeters. Again, anything is better than the bonus we got now. Angels of vengeance, angels of mercy, scions of Athra. Amarr Victor
Patrick57 Fatal Absolution 2156	Posted - 2013.12.17 02:45:00 - [2] - Quote It needs to be faster, with more slots and lower HP. Make it a Light suit, but the slowest one. When I'm depressed, I cut myself......A BIG SLICE OF CHOCOLATE CAKE! nú+
Aero Yassavi Scions of Athra 4145	Posted - 2013.12.17 02:47:00 - [3] - Quote Patrick57 wrote: It needs to be faster, with more slots and lower HP. Make it a Light suit, but the slowest one. Have you used a prototype commando before? And it doesn't need to be a light suit in my opinion, it works fine as a heavy suit. That said, I still like the idea of some roles transcending frame size. So you could have a heavy commando and a light commando, for example. Angels of vengeance, angels of mercy, scions of Athra. Amarr Victor
Anmol Singh The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY 550	Posted - 2013.12.17 02:47:00 - [4] - Quote Aero Yassavi wrote: I've been seeing a lot of threads start popping up about commandos so figure it's a good time to revisit the "how to fix it" thread. If you are crazy enough to have used a prototype commando before, leave your thoughts. Otherwise, you can sit back and watch. For me, 1) Increase the shield recharge rate. Only 10 hp/s recharge? You got to be kidding me. It needs to be buffed to at least 20 hp/s, but even more than that would be fair. 2) Increase CPU/PG. Not sure by how much, but it's definitely far too low to do anything useful. 3) Add one more low slot to all tiers. 0 H 1 L at standard, 1 H 2 L at advanced, 2 H 2 L at proto. 4) Lower the ISK prices to be in line with other suits. CCP, did you really think the Commando would be so good that it needed to cost more? 5a) Change the bonuses. Reload speed doesn't really help anyone. Everyone pretty much agrees that the reload proficiency skill is the most worthless on a weapon's skill tree. Meanwhile, everyone seems to agree Commandos are meant for more working the perimeter instead of charging headfirst, so maybe give it a weapon range bonus? Or if that is too much, maybe a rate of fire bonus? Of it that is still too much, perhaps a max ammo bonus? Honestly, anything is better than reload speed. 5b) And the racial bonus. It makes no sense. Commandos are a class that sacrifices modules. Amarr is the race that always has the least modules. So why a skill that focuses on the negative? I know CCP said before "it's to make each module count" but that is still a lame excuse. You can't take advantage of the racial bonus like other roles can of their racial bonuses. Maybe a fitting reduction for laser weapons? Or heck, Amarr are the stamina guys so maybe improved stamina, going with the theme that Commandos work the perimeters. Again, anything is better than the bonus we got now. It needs to be a versatile scout with 3/3 high low, 8 m/s, 50 Db, 25 shield recharge per second with 3 second delay, 70 armor and 70 shield. Has one equipment and no grenades. *Sagaris lover!!!* Commando <3
ResistanceGTA Valor Tactical Operations Immortal Coalition of New-Eden 75	Posted - 2013.12.17 02:51:00 - [5] - Quote I don't play as a commando, a role I really want to get into, but see no positives in it. One thing I would just like to say is.. I think your time is coming. The changes to FW, mainly the loyalty store, seems, to me at least, to be a big improvement to the commando. The ability to gain prototype weapons with advanced level CPU/PG requirements, while good for all classes, benefits commandos, what with their limited CPU/PG, to have good modules and good weapons. I still think there is a lot of work to be done, but, its a move in the right direction.
Chit Hoppened Xer Cloud Consortium 254	Posted - 2013.12.17 02:51:00 - [6] - Quote My old CEO loves the Reload Speed bonus. The only thing he would do is make the Shield Recharge Rate 18. He was playing today and someone said that the Command'oh should get the Logi 1hp/sec/lvl Armor Regen which would be kinda cool. The other Command'ohs will have 3/1 1/3 2/2 (Cal/Gal/Min respectfully) which will still be ehhh at best, but it will allow them to Regen Tank semi-effectively. Bringing Heavy Metal to New Eden. Cannon Fever Representative
DeadlyAztec11 2814	Posted - 2013.12.17 02:54:00 - [7] - Quote The Commando needs to be scrapped. Back to the drawing board from step one. My alts: GeneralJohnRipper, Draxus Prime, MoonEagle A, Long Evity, CCP Rarara And this is why I am the #1 forum warrior
Aero Yassavi Scions of Athra 4145	Posted - 2013.12.17 02:54:00 - [8] - Quote Chit Hoppened wrote: My old CEO loves the Reload Speed bonus. Well hey, I love the reload speed bonus as well, at level 5 you reload like crazy and it's fun to watch. It's like you can imagine your guy practicing reloading the gun over and over again while he sleeps, he's so darn good at it. But aside from that bit of amusement, there isn't much practicality in the reload speed bonus. Angels of vengeance, angels of mercy, scions of Athra. Amarr Victor
Chit Hoppened Xer Cloud Consortium 255	Posted - 2013.12.17 03:06:00 - [9] - Quote Aero Yassavi wrote: Chit Hoppened wrote: My old CEO loves the Reload Speed bonus. Well hey, I love the reload speed bonus as well, at level 5 you reload like crazy and it's fun to watch. It's like you can imagine your guy practicing reloading the gun over and over again while he sleeps, he's so darn good at it. But aside from that bit of amusement, there isn't much practicality in the reload speed bonus. Very true. The Bonus is a bit cheese-dicked but it does help out when multiple enemies keep appearing. Maybe give the Command'oh a ?%/lvl movement speed bonus to get their speed to just below the slowest Medium Frame (Amarr Logi I think?) which would make it kinda more ehhh-ish. Bringing Heavy Metal to New Eden. Cannon Fever Representative
Darken-Sol BIG BAD W0LVES 848	Posted - 2013.12.17 03:08:00 - [10] - Quote Remove the o. it is a great suit for a squad leader. The commando suit does well back with the logis. Its true potential lies in suppressing/covering fire at all ranges. Have a few fit up with whatever the squad doesn't have. two commandos and an amarr logi are the perfect fireteam. Take turns suppressing, reloading and repping. With the right combo of equipment it is a wedge to break your enemies in two.

CommanderBolt Isuuaya Tactical Caldari State 428	Posted - 2013.12.17 03:14:00 - [11] - Quote Honestly if they just give me the same regenerative abilities that all the other suits get I would be somewhat happy. NEEDS - 20+ shield a sec regen. WOULD LIKE - additional fitting slots + PG / CPU to fit them. WOULD LIKE - Increased innate armour repair.
Bethhy Ancient Exiles. Renegade Alliance 490	Posted - 2013.12.17 03:14:00 - [12] - Quote I want Comandos to have a mobile Command(Click) center they can drop off in the battlefield and then they can sit in it and monitor their squad and give out "attack target" "defend" etc.. orders. Basically run non stop squad commands from their Command Center gaining massive increases in WP's and then deploying all the CRU's and Supply Depots and Turret installations. And of course orbitals ;) Yes I know but it's my recreational time and shall enjoy it fantasizing as I please!
danthrax martin Butcher's Nails 19	Posted - 2013.12.17 03:20:00 - [13] - Quote Darken-Sol wrote: Remove the o. it is a great suit for a squad leader. The commando suit does well back with the logis. Its true potential lies in suppressing/covering fire at all ranges. Have a few fit up with whatever the squad doesn't have. two commandos and an amarr logi are the perfect fireteam. Take turns suppressing, reloading and repping. With the right combo of equipment it is a wedge to break your enemies in two. Spot on. I just started squading up with corp mates and im liking it better and so does our logi. Our squad has another com av snipe and spotter. Cant wait to tem up with him now Soldiers Blue in the barren waste, hunting and killing their game.


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