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Flix Keptick
Red Star.
EoN.
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Posted - 2013.12.15 03:32:00 -
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I was watching all the trailers earlier and it struck me to see almost as many vehicles as infantry (it also looks really epic tbh). It made me realise that maybe CCP INTENDS to have 5 tanks/vehicles on each side per battle. Tanks are really fun to use now too (if you haven't tried it, buy a militia tank. Its a blast).
For those worried about tank spam: vehicles usually regard enemy vehicles as top priority threath. Meaning that those tanks on each team will anhyliate each other without even looking at infantry (at least, that's what I do). Ambush also doesn't count cause its already a broken clusterf**k.
Making AV an actual role
G˙åTank DriverG˙å
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Abron Garr
Amarr Templars
Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2013.12.15 03:33:00 -
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CCP doesn't even know what CCP intends. |
Tectonic Fusion
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Posted - 2013.12.15 03:33:00 -
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Flix Keptick wrote:I was watching all the trailers earlier and it struck me to see almost as many vehicles as infantry (it also looks really epic tbh). It made me realise that maybe CCP INTENDS to have 5 tanks/vehicles on each side per battle. Tanks are really fun to use now too (if you haven't tried it, buy a militia tank. Its a blast).
For those worried about tank spam: vehicles usually regard enemy vehicles as top priority threath. Meaning that those tanks on each team will anhyliate each other without even looking at infantry (at least, that's what I do). Ambush also doesn't count cause its already a broken clusterf**k.
Maybe they want this to be a vehicle game, who knows.
Solo Player
Squad status: Locked
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Anmol Singh
The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar
DARKSTAR ARMY
525
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Posted - 2013.12.15 03:34:00 -
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Flix Keptick wrote:I was watching all the trailers earlier and it struck me to see almost as many vehicles as infantry (it also looks really epic tbh). It made me realise that maybe CCP INTENDS to have 5 tanks/vehicles on each side per battle. Tanks are really fun to use now too (if you haven't tried it, buy a militia tank. Its a blast).
For those worried about tank spam: vehicles usually regard enemy vehicles as top priority threath. Meaning that those tanks on each team will anhyliate each other without even looking at infantry (at least, that's what I do). Ambush also doesn't count cause its already a broken clusterf**k.
Yes, No, Maybe so...
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Cosgar
ParagonX
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Posted - 2013.12.15 03:36:00 -
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Vehicle usage has always been intended, just not spamming. Spamming is just the fun side effect.
I tried to put a level into Amarr Commando once, but got a server notification saying "Why?"
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Flix Keptick
Red Star.
EoN.
1649
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Posted - 2013.12.15 03:37:00 -
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Tectonic Fusion wrote:Flix Keptick wrote:I was watching all the trailers earlier and it struck me to see almost as many vehicles as infantry (it also looks really epic tbh). It made me realise that maybe CCP INTENDS to have 5 tanks/vehicles on each side per battle. Tanks are really fun to use now too (if you haven't tried it, buy a militia tank. Its a blast).
For those worried about tank spam: vehicles usually regard enemy vehicles as top priority threath. Meaning that those tanks on each team will anhyliate each other without even looking at infantry (at least, that's what I do). Ambush also doesn't count cause its already a broken clusterf**k. Maybe they want this to be a vehicle game, who knows. I think they want this to be more 50/50 or 40/60. I think the main problem we have right now is that people expect this to be 5% vehicle 95% infantry (infantry514). Hence the complaints.
I would be really interested to hear what ideal infantry/vehicle ratio CCP has in mind.
Making AV an actual role
G˙åTank DriverG˙å
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Sgt Kirk
SyNergy Gaming
EoN.
3567
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Posted - 2013.12.15 03:39:00 -
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Abron Garr wrote:CCP doesn't even know what CCP intends.
I've been saying this for 1.4 years now. |
dogmanpig
black market bank
80
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Posted - 2013.12.15 03:40:00 -
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xnt1tTlnqfY
starting vehicles! go!!!!
i got 24 without counting the same one from a different angle
plus look at around 1:25-1:40 area.
You hate me, I hate you. Lets keep it that way.
Level 7 1/3 Forum alt.
"Its worth half a penny and a reach around"
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SHANN da MAN
D3LTA FORC3
108
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Posted - 2013.12.15 03:49:00 -
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Sgt Kirk wrote:Abron Garr wrote:CCP doesn't even know what CCP intends. I've been saying this for 1.4 years now.
CCP won't do anything different until people have been saying the same thing for 5.14 years
nothing to see here ... move along
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Flix Keptick
Red Star.
EoN.
1649
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Posted - 2013.12.15 04:09:00 -
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dogmanpig wrote:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xnt1tTlnqfY
starting vehicles! go!!!!
i got 24 without counting the same one from a different angle
plus look at around 1:25-1:40 area.
That's EXACTLY what I'm talking about  . Imagine how epic the battles would be between two team charging at each other with that kind of hardware and ordonance involved !!!
Also, lol a the medframe holding a forge and the full auto small rail guns
Making AV an actual role
G˙åTank DriverG˙å
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Sgt Kirk
SyNergy Gaming
EoN.
3570
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Posted - 2013.12.15 05:14:00 -
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SHANN da MAN wrote:Sgt Kirk wrote:Abron Garr wrote:CCP doesn't even know what CCP intends. I've been saying this for 1.4 years now. CCP won't do anything different until people have been saying the same thing for 5.14 years
holy **** I didn't realize the 1.4 part.
No, it's actually been 1.4 years of me playing this game. I started around August. |
Cyrius Li-Moody
The New Age Outlaws
WINMATAR.
2316
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Posted - 2013.12.15 05:18:00 -
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As long as both teams are tank spamming I could care less because that means all the tanks are worried about each other so the infantry can do whatever they want. I don't know whether to encourage tank spam or discourage it.
Youtuber. Your friendly neighborhood whiskey-fueled merc.
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Ludvig Enraga
KILL-EM-QUICK
RISE of LEGION
711
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Posted - 2013.12.15 10:16:00 -
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Things intended by CCP do more damage to the game than random blunders.
Oh, sht! I just learned you can make a signature! Thanks, CCP! Forums are getting better!
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DeeJay One
Guardian Solutions
DARKSTAR ARMY
149
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Posted - 2013.12.15 11:09:00 -
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Flix Keptick wrote:I was watching all the trailers earlier and it struck me to see almost as many vehicles as infantry (it also looks really epic tbh). It made me realise that maybe CCP INTENDS to have 5 tanks/vehicles on each side per battle. Tanks are really fun to use now too (if you haven't tried it, buy a militia tank. Its a blast).
Haha - no, CCP just likes to mess with people so they skill back into tanks, before they nerf them again. This time with no RESPEC :P |
Lorhak Gannarsein
701
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Posted - 2013.12.15 12:05:00 -
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DeeJay One wrote:Flix Keptick wrote:I was watching all the trailers earlier and it struck me to see almost as many vehicles as infantry (it also looks really epic tbh). It made me realise that maybe CCP INTENDS to have 5 tanks/vehicles on each side per battle. Tanks are really fun to use now too (if you haven't tried it, buy a militia tank. Its a blast). Haha - no, CCP just likes to mess with people so they skill back into tanks, before they nerf them again. This time with no RESPEC :P
S'all good; I got 5M back aside from what I dumped into tanks :D
>Cosgar: You know, tanks are actually paper thin once their modules are in cooldown.
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Bendtner92
Imperfects
Negative-Feedback
1447
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Posted - 2013.12.15 12:22:00 -
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2-3 HAVs per side, 1-2 derpships per side as well as a few LAVs per side leaves you with about half your team in vehicles. Anything more than that with 16 player teams is beyond stupid and there's no way CCP would want something like that.
Winner of the EU Squad Cup & the closed beta Tester's Tournament.
Go Go Power Rangers!
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Jack McReady
DUST University
Ivy League
936
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Posted - 2013.12.15 12:26:00 -
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spamming is not the problem, easy access to vehicles is actually a good, especially for new players, it is just not done well.
when a tank fit for 100k isk + free starter suit with zero SP is way more effective than a proto suit for twice that cost and 10million SP then something is not right. |
THEAMAZING POTHEAD
Nyain San
Renegade Alliance
675
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Posted - 2013.12.15 12:42:00 -
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Vehicles look better for trailers.
End of story.
If you talk about what CCP intends, they probably don't know, other than balanced and fun.
Unfortunately for infantry, having no way to fight back is not fun at all. Even if AV was viable, getting slaughtered and forced to deviate from your playstyle, as in forced to go AV, is also very crappy and unfun.
Thats why in games such as halo, its possible for anyone to kill vehicles even w/out the anti vehicle weapons as long as they have skill. Then there's games like battlefield where so many of the common roles also allow anti tank ability, like planes, helicopters, and a class w/ an SMG and RPG that people love to use the class for(engineer) that also includes an AV role. The fact that these roles are common by themselves and used anyways serves to balance potential vehicle threats.
In dust if you want to kill a tank you got 2 options.
1. Use a tank.
2. Use AV, and sacrifice infantry killing ability.
Everything else is impractical which is why tanks are unbalanced, and very hard to balance with any aspect of fun being intended. It's simply that there are not enough ways to kill tanks, or at least disable them.
Why not make flux grenades disable enemy vehicles for 15 seconds? Introduce attack air vehicles(not lolderpships).
Basically have common roles in the game that serve as more than one role, such as also being vehicle deterrents.
If the FG and PLC were also viable anti infantry weapons(excluding roof sniping) then a person could use them all the time, thus they'd be a great balance.
Instead, the FG is only used on roofs or as AV. And the PLC is LOLPLC.
This is bad mmkay. |
GET ATMESON
Dem Durrty Boyz
Renegade Alliance
189
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Posted - 2013.12.15 12:46:00 -
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Yes it should be until we fight AGAINST CCP SPAM THOSE HAV AND LAV!!!!
other then that it shouldnt be allowed
Heavys only have 2 heavy guns. Please dont turn the NERF bat on them. Give heavys more suits or guns soonGäķ
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Monkey MAC
Lost Millennium
1221
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Posted - 2013.12.15 12:54:00 -
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And what happens when only 1 side spams vehicles?
CCP do intend for there to be a large number of vehicles, but they also expect considerably more players at a time!
In 252 v 252 battles I would easily expect to see somewhere between 50-70 active vehicles!
In 504 v 504 battles having nearly 180-200 vehicles per side wouldn't be out of place, but if you mean 7 Tanks (and only Tanks) per side in 16v16 match? No I don't think they intended that!
Tanks 514
I told you, I bloody well told you.
Monkey Mac - Forum Warrior of the Trees Lvl.1
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