DUST Search - How I got kicked for FF and why the system is partially broken

Crimson Cerberes wrote:

Abron Garr wrote:

Crimson Cerberes wrote:

Team killing is a horrible thing when done on purpose. CCP was warned that this could happen.

Having said that this how eve works, it is new eden after all.

This isn't how EVE works. If I blow up an ally or AWOX a corp I don't automatically get sent back to hisec. If I'm aggressed I'm also allowed to defend myself and blow up the aggressor's ship without a penalty to my standings.

The cost for being a **** is usually prohibitive as well. After CONCORD their way with you, you're not given a "militia cruiser" so you can go back and do it again, you get an Ibis with no insurance payout.

So you want concord now? Awox enough and you get your standings decimated. Are you saying there isn't MASSIVE Awoxing in eve? In eve FW?

Hey I am no fan of getting teamkilled either, but I also like that FW is more dangerous. If I didn't want to risk getting killed by FF I would stick to pubs.

It is part of the meta-game, along with corp thefts, queue syncing, tower sniping, and corp disbandings.

My secret to awox'ers?Get a free fit and find them and let them kill you, bam, awox'er is gone for the day and I don't have to worry about it.

Additionally, have you ever heard of goonswarm?

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THUNDERGROOVE ZionTCD Public Disorder. 399	Posted - 2013.12.14 01:11:00 - [1] - Quote I was on my alternate account that is specced into minlogi so I figured I'd play some FW to get some proto logi suits to play with. I get into a match today while I hack a CRU a blueberry by the name of black slaverx shotguns me in the back, whatever I send him mail calling him scum and if he does it again I'll kill him. I respawn in the city and he's right behind me with his shotgun. He fires at me again, I fire two mass driver rounds in him and he dies. He spawns in, tries it again. At this point I don't want to get kicked so I left the city to go defend our home point instead. Several minutes later, guess who shows up with their miliita shotgun? Let's just say he died. I then decide to walk to the nearest supply depot to change to a cheaper suit, he respawns and after killing him again, this time before he could get close enough to hit me I get kicked. The current system has no way of detecting aggressors and honestly I was only killing him to defend my proto suits that I was playing with. Honestly, I'm not really that upset because it was an alt but I do find it **** I lost 6 wins worth of standings because some idiot in a militia scout suit felt like being butthurt. Now, for some solutions for this problem: Minimum WP limit to play FW. Currently anyone can join and often noobs going 1/15 really ruin it for anyone else on their team. This would also be a deterrent to people making alts just for griefing A system to detect aggressors that doesn't "punish" if they dealt 50% of your HP worth of damage before you kill them? Still adds to total damage dealt Ideas? Opinions? Was I doing wrong by killing him back? ZionTCD Director & Ammar Loyalist Amarr Sentinel \| Amarr Logi \| Losematar** Scout What is a signature?
John Demonsbane Unorganized Ninja Infantry Tactics League of Infamy 667	Posted - 2013.12.14 01:15:00 - [2] - Quote +1 The idea of having a WP minimum for FW is unquestionably brilliant. (Which is why I suggested it when they first announced FF was going to be on, lol). It would solve so many many problems. "The line between disorder and order lies in logistics" -Sun Tzu Amarr victor!
Crimson Cerberes Hammer Of Light Covenant of the Phoenix Alliance 131	Posted - 2013.12.14 01:24:00 - [3] - Quote Team killing is a horrible thing when done on purpose. CCP was warned that this could happen. Having said that this how eve works, it is new eden after all.
Cosgar ParagonX 8655	Posted - 2013.12.14 01:34:00 - [4] - Quote When countermeasures to prevent something do more harm than good, we have an issue. Ask Microsoft why they changed the the Xbox One's DRM policy. I tried to put a level into Amarr Commando once, but got a server notification saying "Why?"
Abron Garr Amarr Templars Amarr Empire 642	Posted - 2013.12.14 01:36:00 - [5] - Quote Crimson Cerberes wrote: Team killing is a horrible thing when done on purpose. CCP was warned that this could happen. Having said that this how eve works, it is new eden after all. This isn't how EVE works. If I blow up an ally or AWOX a corp I don't automatically get sent back to hisec. If I'm aggressed I'm also allowed to defend myself and blow up the aggressor's ship without a penalty to my standings. The cost for being a **** is usually prohibitive as well. After CONCORD their way with you, you're not given a "militia cruiser" so you can go back and do it again, you get an Ibis with no insurance payout.
Flix Keptick Red Star. EoN. 1619	Posted - 2013.12.14 01:38:00 - [6] - Quote I stopped stopped reading at "partially" in the title... Just kidding, you actually have a good point. Making AV an actual role GÿåTank DriverGÿå
mollerz Minja Scouts 1322	Posted - 2013.12.14 01:40:00 - [7] - Quote If you can go freePO suits, and let him kill you. let him get kicked. USe a weak weapon to spray him in the face- I suggest a flay lock- so he'll get egged on and kill you. then you get him kicked and play FW all day while he sits out the day and loses his standings. He won twice- killed you, and then got you to ban yourself. But I like your ideas about the protections. The WP thing especially because it would have a top down effect and make n00bs work hard to earn the WPs to TK you ;) #shittycoding
THUNDERGROOVE ZionTCD Public Disorder. 400	Posted - 2013.12.14 01:43:00 - [8] - Quote Cosgar wrote: When countermeasures to prevent something do more harm than good, we have an issue. Ask Microsoft why they changed the the Xbox One's DRM policy. DRM hurts no one but the consumers, but that's just that my opinion. I truely believe most of the people invested in the game wouldn't abuse my 2nd suggestion, which would be near perfect if the 1st suggestion was put in place to keep scrubs out of FW. Abron Garr wrote: Crimson Cerberes wrote: Team killing is a horrible thing when done on purpose. CCP was warned that this could happen. Having said that this how eve works, it is new eden after all. This isn't how EVE works. If I blow up an ally or AWOX a corp I don't automatically get sent back to hisec. If I'm aggressed I'm also allowed to defend myself and blow up the aggressor's ship without a penalty to my standings. The cost for being a ** is usually prohibitive as well. After CONCORD their way with you, you're not given a "militia cruiser" so you can go back and do it again, you get an Ibis with no insurance payout. This exactly^ If someone unintentionally killed me whatever I can deal with that, it's just when someone is going out of their was to be a ZionTCD Director & Ammar Loyalist Amarr Sentinel \| Amarr Logi \| Losematar** Scout What is a signature?
Crimson Cerberes Hammer Of Light Covenant of the Phoenix Alliance 131	Posted - 2013.12.14 01:44:00 - [9] - Quote Abron Garr wrote: Crimson Cerberes wrote: Team killing is a horrible thing when done on purpose. CCP was warned that this could happen. Having said that this how eve works, it is new eden after all. This isn't how EVE works. If I blow up an ally or AWOX a corp I don't automatically get sent back to hisec. If I'm aggressed I'm also allowed to defend myself and blow up the aggressor's ship without a penalty to my standings. The cost for being a **** is usually prohibitive as well. After CONCORD their way with you, you're not given a "militia cruiser" so you can go back and do it again, you get an Ibis with no insurance payout. So you want concord now? Awox enough and you get your standings decimated. Are you saying there isn't MASSIVE Awoxing in eve? In eve FW? Hey I am no fan of getting teamkilled either, but I also like that FW is more dangerous. If I didn't want to risk getting killed by FF I would stick to pubs. It is part of the meta-game, along with corp thefts, queue syncing, tower sniping, and corp disbandings. My secret to awox'ers?Get a free fit and find them and let them kill you, bam, awox'er is gone for the day and I don't have to worry about it. Additionally, have you ever heard of goonswarm?
Cosgar ParagonX 8657	Posted - 2013.12.14 01:47:00 - [10] - Quote Abron Garr wrote: Crimson Cerberes wrote: Team killing is a horrible thing when done on purpose. CCP was warned that this could happen. Having said that this how eve works, it is new eden after all. This isn't how EVE works. If I blow up an ally or AWOX a corp I don't automatically get sent back to hisec. If I'm aggressed I'm also allowed to defend myself and blow up the aggressor's ship without a penalty to my standings. The cost for being a **** is usually prohibitive as well. After CONCORD their way with you, you're not given a "militia cruiser" so you can go back and do it again, you get an Ibis with no insurance payout. So, how about you become a red after enough TKs? I tried to put a level into Amarr Commando once, but got a server notification saying "Why?"

THUNDERGROOVE ZionTCD Public Disorder. 400	Posted - 2013.12.14 01:49:00 - [11] - Quote Cosgar wrote: So, how about you become a red after enough TKs? I was thinking that if someone does 50% of your HP worth of damage they become yellow and you're able to TK with no penalty. Would be a simple change, I think. ZionTCD Director & Ammar Loyalist Amarr Sentinel \| Amarr Logi \| *Losematar* Scout What is a signature?
Crimson Cerberes Hammer Of Light Covenant of the Phoenix Alliance 131	Posted - 2013.12.14 02:04:00 - [12] - Quote THUNDERGROOVE wrote: Cosgar wrote: So, how about you become a red after enough TKs? I was thinking that if someone does 50% of your HP worth of damage they become yellow and you're able to TK with no penalty. Would be a simple change, I think. You need to think like an TKer when you make suggestions. So 50% of hp eh? How much damage does an AR do and how few hp can you get in this game? If you could potentially get half of you HP down by just a fraction of a second stepping into the line of fire.... well now you gave the TKer a free ticket. Not to mention what happens when the TKer is using OHKO weapons like the forge gun? Two back-to-back teamkills with no WP in-between? Maybe, but what if that TKer is suiciding on Remote explosives/roadkilling himself. WP limits on getting into factional warfare? I guess there goes the entire lineup of amarr/caldari blueberrys (might be a good thing), plus how much do you make it? Shouldn't a crappy player have just as much right to play as a good one? I appreciate the suggestions, and of course keep thinking of them, but the new system should try to be much more difficult to exploit. I have no idea how.
THUNDERGROOVE ZionTCD Public Disorder. 400	Posted - 2013.12.14 02:17:00 - [13] - Quote Even with what you've brought up, I think it'd be better than what we have in place now. ZionTCD Director & Ammar Loyalist Amarr Sentinel \| Amarr Logi \| *Losematar* Scout What is a signature?
Abron Garr Amarr Templars Amarr Empire 650	Posted - 2013.12.14 06:31:00 - [14] - Quote Crimson Cerberes wrote: Abron Garr wrote: Crimson Cerberes wrote: Team killing is a horrible thing when done on purpose. CCP was warned that this could happen. Having said that this how eve works, it is new eden after all. This isn't how EVE works. If I blow up an ally or AWOX a corp I don't automatically get sent back to hisec. If I'm aggressed I'm also allowed to defend myself and blow up the aggressor's ship without a penalty to my standings. The cost for being a ** is usually prohibitive as well. After CONCORD their way with you, you're not given a "militia cruiser" so you can go back and do it again, you get an Ibis with no insurance payout. So you want concord now? Awox enough and you get your standings decimated. Are you saying there isn't MASSIVE Awoxing in eve? In eve FW? Hey I am no fan of getting teamkilled either, but I also like that FW is more dangerous. If I didn't want to risk getting killed by FF I would stick to pubs. It is part of the meta-game, along with corp thefts, queue syncing, tower sniping, and corp disbandings. My secret to awox'ers?Get a free fit and find them and let them kill you, bam, awox'er is gone for the day and I don't have to worry about it. Additionally, have you ever heard of goonswarm? I'm pointing out that Dust mechanics are not how it works in EVE. Nowhere in my post did I advocate bringing CONCORD police. You can't just translate EVE's metagaming onto Dust, it just doesn't work with the constraints of 16v16 fight. EVE has several options for dealing with douchebags that are several times more effective than your solution of "just lay down and take it a few times and maybe he'll be kicked for 24 hours." And let's be honest. We're not witnessing grand strategy metagaming. This is just ** people doing **** things because it costs them nothing to do so. This is pretty much what you'd expect in a Free to Play lobby shooter.


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