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Aero Yassavi
Scions of Athra
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Posted - 2013.12.13 20:10:00 -
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It comes to my attention that CCP may think we are all upset because we were expecting 40,000 LP per win at level 10 and now are only getting 659 LP. If this is what CCP believes, then all our efforts to reason are going in vain.
CCP, everyone agrees that 40,000 LP a win would be absolutely ridiculous with the current LP prices on the market. What we are complaining about is how, even after 200 victories and obtaining Level 10 standing, you still don't get as much value out of LP Payouts than you could of got by playing public contracts.
Angels of vengeance, angels of mercy, scions of Athra. Amarr Victor
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TranquilBiscuit ofVaLoR
F.T.U.
IMMORTAL REGIME
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Posted - 2013.12.13 20:12:00 -
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yeah, 659 LP is ridiculous for 200 wins.
is that even enough for more than one proto gun?
Tell me, how exactly DOES a biscuit gain Valor?
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Aero Yassavi
Scions of Athra
4038
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Posted - 2013.12.13 20:18:00 -
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Level 1 - 4 you should make less value than you do from pubs
Level 5 you should make about the same value as you do from pubs
Level 6-10 you should be making more value than you do from pubs
And even while making more value than you do from pubs, you'll still have to play pubs to get the ISK to buy items from the loyalty store.
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Thor Odinson42
Molon Labe.
Public Disorder.
2334
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Posted - 2013.12.13 20:21:00 -
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It's about FW being sustainable.
Having a place to run your good gear and it being sustainable if you are moderately successful.
Remove time in battle from ISK payout formula and provide a bonus to winning team... Watch battles become fun again.
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Aero Yassavi
Scions of Athra
4044
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Posted - 2013.12.13 20:22:00 -
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Thor Odinson42 wrote:It's about FW being sustainable.
Having a place to run your good gear and it being sustainable if you are moderately successful.
And that's the other thing, it should be dependent on if you are successful. If you can constantly win, then make it sustainable. Otherwise no. And it should probably even be more individualized. If I score 3000 warpoints and win and my teammate get 50 warpoints, why does he get paid the same as me?
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knight of 6
SVER True Blood
Public Disorder.
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Posted - 2013.12.13 20:24:00 -
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I always though 40k was a typo but like 1k-1.5k per match @ 10 would be nice maybe 2k if you're feeling generous.
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Aero Yassavi
Scions of Athra
4044
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Posted - 2013.12.13 20:24:00 -
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And I know CCP doesn't want all the players to migrate to FW and completely abandon pubs, but that's not going to happen. You still need ISK to buy from the loyalty store, and there's some items your specific loyalty store may not offer.
Plus CCP, do you realize there are a lot of players out there with friends in EVE and FW is a means for them to enjoy the link between EVE and Dust and work towards the same goal? Why on earth do you want to limit that?
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Luk Manag
of Terror
TRE GAFFEL
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Posted - 2013.12.13 20:26:00 -
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Even counting the random basic equipment and other salvage, usually worth on the order of 10-20k isk, a level 10 faction win should be worth at least 4 times as much as the average pub. This 4xPub number is a conservative target that rubs right up with Ebeneezer Scrooge stinginess, and any less compensation would be straight up slavery. The first doubling is for the effort to achieve high standings. The second doubling is for the risk of low payout losses - you absolutely have to compensate for the risk of low payout losses with a higher winning payout or there's no game. Being worth less than an average pub fight, but only if you win, will automatically kill it.
There will be bullets. ACR+SMG
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Heavenly Daughter
the Aurum Grinder and Company
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Posted - 2013.12.13 20:29:00 -
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Aero Yassavi wrote:Thor Odinson42 wrote:It's about FW being sustainable.
Having a place to run your good gear and it being sustainable if you are moderately successful. And that's the other thing, it should be dependent on if you are successful. If you can constantly win, then make it sustainable. Otherwise no. And it should probably even be more individualized. If I score 3000 warpoints and win and my teammate get 50 warpoints, why does he get paid the same as me?
Because FW isn't about WP. ! it's about territory, not about, I'M BETTER THAN YOU SO I SHOULD GET MORE, , you want more, go play pubs matches where those rules apply.
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crazy space 1
GunFall Mobilization
Covert Intervention
2078
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Posted - 2013.12.13 20:30:00 -
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TranquilBiscuit ofVaLoR wrote:yeah, 659 LP is ridiculous for 200 wins.
is that even enough for more than one proto gun?
no it's 659 LP per gun. That's enough for at least 25 AUR prototype guns at 5000isk each
Maybe it's fine guys... Also doesn't the corps standings towards FW you are in change the LP payout? Also which team is winning. If Ammar is winning your side would get x5 LP while the other side got x1 for winning matches
Is this feature actually in the game? or did they announce it and somethings broken? |
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Aero Yassavi
Scions of Athra
4050
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Posted - 2013.12.13 20:31:00 -
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crazy space 1 wrote:TranquilBiscuit ofVaLoR wrote:yeah, 659 LP is ridiculous for 200 wins.
is that even enough for more than one proto gun? no it's 659 LP per gun. That's enough for at least 25 AUR prototype guns at 5000isk each
Did you do the math? I have
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Aero Yassavi
Scions of Athra
4050
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Posted - 2013.12.13 20:33:00 -
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Heavenly Daughter wrote:Aero Yassavi wrote:Thor Odinson42 wrote:It's about FW being sustainable.
Having a place to run your good gear and it being sustainable if you are moderately successful. And that's the other thing, it should be dependent on if you are successful. If you can constantly win, then make it sustainable. Otherwise no. And it should probably even be more individualized. If I score 3000 warpoints and win and my teammate get 50 warpoints, why does he get paid the same as me? Because FW isn't about WP. ! it's about territory, not about, I'M BETTER THAN YOU SO I SHOULD GET MORE, , you want more, go play pubs matches where those rules apply.
That's cool and all, but do you not understand that by having the payouts the same for the whole team leaves you no motivation to contribute and rather encourages you to simply AFK and mooch off of others?
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crazy space 1
GunFall Mobilization
Covert Intervention
2078
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Posted - 2013.12.13 20:33:00 -
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The ISK prices in the FW store should match the isk prices in pubs becuase right now, one pub match gets me enough isk for 30 prototype suits... |
crazy space 1
GunFall Mobilization
Covert Intervention
2078
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Posted - 2013.12.13 20:35:00 -
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Aero Yassavi wrote:Heavenly Daughter wrote:Aero Yassavi wrote:Thor Odinson42 wrote:It's about FW being sustainable.
Having a place to run your good gear and it being sustainable if you are moderately successful. And that's the other thing, it should be dependent on if you are successful. If you can constantly win, then make it sustainable. Otherwise no. And it should probably even be more individualized. If I score 3000 warpoints and win and my teammate get 50 warpoints, why does he get paid the same as me? Because FW isn't about WP. ! it's about territory, not about, I'M BETTER THAN YOU SO I SHOULD GET MORE, , you want more, go play pubs matches where those rules apply. That's cool and all, but do you not understand that by having the payouts the same for the whole team leaves you no motivation to contribute and rather encourages you to simply AFK and mooch off of others?
hmmm I disagree. In fact Factional warfare should be team deploy only. Thus team rewards make more sense.
On the other hand a dev just announced that adding back in SP for WP might get added back in. So if that feature is in it'll be personal, but winning LP for being on the losing side?no.
it's already stupid the losing team gets salvage... it should be 50% to the winners 0% to the losers. Chance to pick up gear you lost. |
Luk Manag
of Terror
TRE GAFFEL
225
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Posted - 2013.12.13 20:38:00 -
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crazy space 1 wrote:The ISK prices in the FW store should match the isk prices in pubs becuase right now, one pub match gets me enough isk for 30 prototype suits...
I think you mean 3 or 4 - and not full fits, just the suit.
There will be bullets. ACR+SMG
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Aero Yassavi
Scions of Athra
4050
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Posted - 2013.12.13 20:39:00 -
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crazy space 1 wrote:Aero Yassavi wrote:Heavenly Daughter wrote:Aero Yassavi wrote:Thor Odinson42 wrote:It's about FW being sustainable.
Having a place to run your good gear and it being sustainable if you are moderately successful. And that's the other thing, it should be dependent on if you are successful. If you can constantly win, then make it sustainable. Otherwise no. And it should probably even be more individualized. If I score 3000 warpoints and win and my teammate get 50 warpoints, why does he get paid the same as me? Because FW isn't about WP. ! it's about territory, not about, I'M BETTER THAN YOU SO I SHOULD GET MORE, , you want more, go play pubs matches where those rules apply. That's cool and all, but do you not understand that by having the payouts the same for the whole team leaves you no motivation to contribute and rather encourages you to simply AFK and mooch off of others? hmmm I disagree. In fact Factional warfare should be team deploy only. Thus team rewards make more sense. On the other hand a dev just announced that adding back in SP for WP might get added back in. So if that feature is in it'll be personal, but winning LP for being on the losing side?no. it's already stupid the losing team gets salvage... it should be 50% to the winners 0% to the losers. Chance to pick up gear you lost.
Team deploy only would make it limited to only a very small fraction of the community like PC, terrible idea.
And I'm not saying more LP for losing, but I'm saying more LP if you contributed more so you don't have people AFKing hoping the rest of their team is good. Don't think it's happening? It is. You have to encourage each player to participate or else they will rely on mooching off others. Common sense.
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crazy space 1
GunFall Mobilization
Covert Intervention
2078
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Posted - 2013.12.13 20:39:00 -
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I'm really good at math so I feel bad now : ( |
crazy space 1
GunFall Mobilization
Covert Intervention
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Posted - 2013.12.13 20:40:00 -
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Aero Yassavi wrote:
Team deploy only would make it limited to only a very small fraction of the community like PC, terrible idea.
Squad finder for Factional Warfare.
You don't have to be a permade team you can be a team of randoms., that's your choice.
Or a team of 10 that needs a few extra people so they open the squad to randoms to fill it up. It's not like PC there is a friendfire system in place to kick people so it's safe to grab randoms. |
Aero Yassavi
Scions of Athra
4050
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Posted - 2013.12.13 20:41:00 -
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crazy space 1 wrote:Aero Yassavi wrote:
Team deploy only would make it limited to only a very small fraction of the community like PC, terrible idea.
Squad finder for Factional Warfare. You don't have to be a permade team you can be a team of randoms., that's your choice.
I would agree to having to be in squads to do FW. But not in a full predetermined team.
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crazy space 1
GunFall Mobilization
Covert Intervention
2078
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Posted - 2013.12.13 20:42:00 -
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Aero Yassavi wrote:crazy space 1 wrote:Aero Yassavi wrote:
Team deploy only would make it limited to only a very small fraction of the community like PC, terrible idea.
Squad finder for Factional Warfare. You don't have to be a permade team you can be a team of randoms., that's your choice. I would agree to having to be in squads to do FW. But not in a full predetermined team.
So 6 man squads only? I'm down with that. Maybe give out an LP bonus per squad based on performance?
1st place x4 LP
2nd place x3 LP
3rd place x2 LP
4h place x1 LP |
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