DUST Search - No one is complaining about LP "nerf." Complaints are about LP value

crazy space 1 wrote:

Aero Yassavi wrote:

Heavenly Daughter wrote:

Aero Yassavi wrote:

Thor Odinson42 wrote:

It's about FW being sustainable.

Having a place to run your good gear and it being sustainable if you are moderately successful.

And that's the other thing, it should be dependent on if you are successful. If you can constantly win, then make it sustainable. Otherwise no. And it should probably even be more individualized. If I score 3000 warpoints and win and my teammate get 50 warpoints, why does he get paid the same as me?

Because FW isn't about WP. ! it's about territory, not about, I'M BETTER THAN YOU SO I SHOULD GET MORE, , you want more, go play pubs matches where those rules apply.

That's cool and all, but do you not understand that by having the payouts the same for the whole team leaves you no motivation to contribute and rather encourages you to simply AFK and mooch off of others?

hmmm I disagree. In fact Factional warfare should be team deploy only. Thus team rewards make more sense.

On the other hand a dev just announced that adding back in SP for WP might get added back in. So if that feature is in it'll be personal, but winning LP for being on the losing side?no.

it's already stupid the losing team gets salvage... it should be 50% to the winners 0% to the losers. Chance to pick up gear you lost.


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Aero Yassavi Scions of Athra 4038	Posted - 2013.12.13 20:10:00 - [1] - Quote It comes to my attention that CCP may think we are all upset because we were expecting 40,000 LP per win at level 10 and now are only getting 659 LP. If this is what CCP believes, then all our efforts to reason are going in vain. CCP, everyone agrees that 40,000 LP a win would be absolutely ridiculous with the current LP prices on the market. What we are complaining about is how, even after 200 victories and obtaining Level 10 standing, you still don't get as much value out of LP Payouts than you could of got by playing public contracts. Angels of vengeance, angels of mercy, scions of Athra. Amarr Victor
Aero Yassavi Scions of Athra 4038	Posted - 2013.12.13 20:18:00 - [2] - Quote Level 1 - 4 you should make less value than you do from pubs Level 5 you should make about the same value as you do from pubs Level 6-10 you should be making more value than you do from pubs And even while making more value than you do from pubs, you'll still have to play pubs to get the ISK to buy items from the loyalty store. Angels of vengeance, angels of mercy, scions of Athra. Amarr Victor
Aero Yassavi Scions of Athra 4044	Posted - 2013.12.13 20:22:00 - [3] - Quote Thor Odinson42 wrote: It's about FW being sustainable. Having a place to run your good gear and it being sustainable if you are moderately successful. And that's the other thing, it should be dependent on if you are successful. If you can constantly win, then make it sustainable. Otherwise no. And it should probably even be more individualized. If I score 3000 warpoints and win and my teammate get 50 warpoints, why does he get paid the same as me? Angels of vengeance, angels of mercy, scions of Athra. Amarr Victor
Aero Yassavi Scions of Athra 4044	Posted - 2013.12.13 20:24:00 - [4] - Quote And I know CCP doesn't want all the players to migrate to FW and completely abandon pubs, but that's not going to happen. You still need ISK to buy from the loyalty store, and there's some items your specific loyalty store may not offer. Plus CCP, do you realize there are a lot of players out there with friends in EVE and FW is a means for them to enjoy the link between EVE and Dust and work towards the same goal? Why on earth do you want to limit that? Angels of vengeance, angels of mercy, scions of Athra. Amarr Victor
Aero Yassavi Scions of Athra 4050	Posted - 2013.12.13 20:31:00 - [5] - Quote crazy space 1 wrote: TranquilBiscuit ofVaLoR wrote: yeah, 659 LP is ridiculous for 200 wins. is that even enough for more than one proto gun? no it's 659 LP per gun. That's enough for at least 25 AUR prototype guns at 5000isk each Did you do the math? I have https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=128521&find=unread Angels of vengeance, angels of mercy, scions of Athra. Amarr Victor
Aero Yassavi Scions of Athra 4050	Posted - 2013.12.13 20:33:00 - [6] - Quote Heavenly Daughter wrote: Aero Yassavi wrote: Thor Odinson42 wrote: It's about FW being sustainable. Having a place to run your good gear and it being sustainable if you are moderately successful. And that's the other thing, it should be dependent on if you are successful. If you can constantly win, then make it sustainable. Otherwise no. And it should probably even be more individualized. If I score 3000 warpoints and win and my teammate get 50 warpoints, why does he get paid the same as me? Because FW isn't about WP. ! it's about territory, not about, I'M BETTER THAN YOU SO I SHOULD GET MORE, , you want more, go play pubs matches where those rules apply. That's cool and all, but do you not understand that by having the payouts the same for the whole team leaves you no motivation to contribute and rather encourages you to simply AFK and mooch off of others? Angels of vengeance, angels of mercy, scions of Athra. Amarr Victor
Aero Yassavi Scions of Athra 4050	Posted - 2013.12.13 20:39:00 - [7] - Quote crazy space 1 wrote: Aero Yassavi wrote: Heavenly Daughter wrote: Aero Yassavi wrote: Thor Odinson42 wrote: It's about FW being sustainable. Having a place to run your good gear and it being sustainable if you are moderately successful. And that's the other thing, it should be dependent on if you are successful. If you can constantly win, then make it sustainable. Otherwise no. And it should probably even be more individualized. If I score 3000 warpoints and win and my teammate get 50 warpoints, why does he get paid the same as me? Because FW isn't about WP. ! it's about territory, not about, I'M BETTER THAN YOU SO I SHOULD GET MORE, , you want more, go play pubs matches where those rules apply. That's cool and all, but do you not understand that by having the payouts the same for the whole team leaves you no motivation to contribute and rather encourages you to simply AFK and mooch off of others? hmmm I disagree. In fact Factional warfare should be team deploy only. Thus team rewards make more sense. On the other hand a dev just announced that adding back in SP for WP might get added back in. So if that feature is in it'll be personal, but winning LP for being on the losing side?no. it's already stupid the losing team gets salvage... it should be 50% to the winners 0% to the losers. Chance to pick up gear you lost. Team deploy only would make it limited to only a very small fraction of the community like PC, terrible idea. And I'm not saying more LP for losing, but I'm saying more LP if you contributed more so you don't have people AFKing hoping the rest of their team is good. Don't think it's happening? It is. You have to encourage each player to participate or else they will rely on mooching off others. Common sense. Angels of vengeance, angels of mercy, scions of Athra. Amarr Victor
Aero Yassavi Scions of Athra 4050	Posted - 2013.12.13 20:41:00 - [8] - Quote crazy space 1 wrote: Aero Yassavi wrote: Team deploy only would make it limited to only a very small fraction of the community like PC, terrible idea. Squad finder for Factional Warfare. You don't have to be a permade team you can be a team of randoms., that's your choice. I would agree to having to be in squads to do FW. But not in a full predetermined team. Angels of vengeance, angels of mercy, scions of Athra. Amarr Victor