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Reav Hannari Red Rock Outriders 2216	Posted - 2013.12.13 16:46:00 - [1] - Quote Because of a comment from CCP FoxFour and the lack of follow-up about it the forums are having a heated discussion about LP earnings in faction warfare. The comment was 651 max LP at level 10 per match. I'll try and find a link to it shortly and update this post. Even if that comment was incorrect or taken out of context I decided to do some analysis. I find that if I'm fighting to win I will lose an average of five suits per match. The allows me to be both aggressive and have fun without overly worrying about loss. I've designed both an advanced and a prototype level fit that feels right for defending the Republic to use as my baseline. They are designed for survival, some mobility and with the only faction rifle available to me at this time. Republic Logistics M/1: ISK; LP Republic Logistics M/1-Series: 1,206; 80 Republic Boundless Specialist Combat Rifle: 14,163; 215 Flux Grenade: 600 Republic A/7 Repair Tool: 740; 40 K-2 Nanohive: 3,945 Stable Drop Uplink: 1,470 Republic Complex Shield Extender: 641; 75 Republic Complex Shield Extender: 641; 75 Republic Complex Shield Extender: 641; 75 Complex Cardiac Regulator: 3,150 Basic Armor Plates: 900 Basic Armor Plates: 900 Total: 28,997 ISK; 560 LP Average 5 Lost: 144,885 ISK; 2,880 LP Republic Logistics mk.0: ISK; LP Republic Logistics mk.0: 8,653; 155 Republic Boundless Specialist Combat Rifle: 14,163; 215 Flux Grenade: 600 Republic Core Repair Tool: 1,982; 75 K-2 Nanohive: 6,465 Allotek Drop Uplink: 1,470 Wiyrkomi Nanite Injector: 7,050 Republic Complex Shield Extender: 641; 75 Republic Complex Shield Extender: 641; 75 Enhanced Light Damage Modifier: 3,420 Enhanced Cardiac Regulator: 1,935 Basic Armor Plates: 900 Basic Ferroscale Plates: 900 Basic Armor Repairer: 1,275 Total: 50,736 ISK; 670 LP Average 5 Lost: 253,680; 3,350 LP How much should an loyalty point be worth on the open market? Shouldn't I be able to sustain my advanced suit within faction warfare once I reach a mid-level, say level 5 standings? Should I be able to run the prototype fit once I can sustain level 10 standings. Should I be able to make a profit by selling extra gear on the market, meaning I need more than the LP consumed by my own fittings and the conversion of excess gear to ISK? If we do indeed reach a maximum of 651 LP per match at level 10 then I will not be able to continue to fight for my Republic without seriously subsidizing my losses through public matches. That means more pressure on the rookies as I'll need to fight to earn top ISK. // Adapt or Die // Matari Logistics / Scout / Dropship Crash Tester // @ReesNoturana
Reav Hannari Red Rock Outriders 2219	Posted - 2013.12.13 16:55:00 - [2] - Quote 16 mercenaries times 5 losses is 80 dead clones. I can't remember how many clones are in each type of match. I think that would give us some good averages. Great players will lose more but someone has to die. // Adapt or Die // Matari Logistics / Scout / Dropship Crash Tester // @ReesNoturana
Thor Odinson42 Molon Labe. Public Disorder. 2282	Posted - 2013.12.13 16:58:00 - [3] - Quote If you look at the data understanding that CCP believes FW should be an ISK sink then the frustration really sets in. This was an opportunity for low and mid level players to grind out high standing and use good gear for their faction and earn some ISK. I'm telling you people need to raise 10 kinds of hell until this necessary ISK sink myth is dispelled. Remove time in battle from ISK payout formula and provide a bonus to winning team... Watch battles become fun again.
Reav Hannari Red Rock Outriders 2219	Posted - 2013.12.13 17:04:00 - [4] - Quote The original comment was something along the lines that mercenaries would need to run a mix of public and FW matches to earn a living but with when player trading opens you will be able to spend a lot more time in FW. With these numbers you'll be stressed to pay for one suit with a few faction items per match. // Adapt or Die // Matari Logistics / Scout / Dropship Crash Tester // @ReesNoturana
Reav Hannari Red Rock Outriders 2219	Posted - 2013.12.13 17:09:00 - [5] - Quote Another point to consider: cut average income by half to account for losing entire matches. (Cut by 100% if you are Caldari) // Adapt or Die // Matari Logistics / Scout / Dropship Crash Tester // @ReesNoturana
Reav Hannari Red Rock Outriders 2219	Posted - 2013.12.13 17:11:00 - [6] - Quote New income table just posted. I am a sad Matari. http://web.ccpgamescdn.com/dust/news.control/65526/1/fw_devblog_11_lppayouttable.png // Adapt or Die // Matari Logistics / Scout / Dropship Crash Tester // @ReesNoturana
ZiwZih Seraphim Initiative.. 283	Posted - 2013.12.13 17:34:00 - [7] - Quote Reav Hannari wrote: New income table just posted. I am a sad Matari. http://web.ccpgamescdn.com/dust/news.control/65526/1/fw_devblog_11_lppayouttable.png I will repeat myself -- this is scandalous.
Kevall Longstride DUST University Ivy League 736	Posted - 2013.12.13 17:42:00 - [8] - Quote I would say it needs to be twice that to be self sustaining. But we won't know for sure until we know what they might go for on the player market when that arrives. Mercenary Clone of Dennie Fleetfoot CEO of DUST University
Brynjar Reko State Patriots Templis Dragonaors 34	Posted - 2013.12.16 00:04:00 - [9] - Quote I wouldn't be so mad if I didn't feel baited in by the terrible propaganda in the original dev blog. I almost bought a booster for this, I can imagine others did spend money based on CCP's lie.
Draco Cerberus BurgezzE.T.F Public Disorder. 607	Posted - 2013.12.16 00:21:00 - [10] - Quote Ok so you don't earn enough in FW to make a good go at it? Too bad. Try running cheaper gear, or just starter fits, you remember those days don't you? For my money, I like to think that the smart choice is to remember that LP is ISK in a different form...wait maybe not, is there a P2P market yet? Hmmm, yeah I guess that is coming SOON TM too. To be fair CCP said we will do an imperfect system because we think doing this first to make a bigger problem will result in less work later...blah blah blah to paraphrase, and we know people will be pissed off so we're doing it this way anyways, the end. Enjoy This means that they want BPOs and Starter fits for FW atm unless you want to spend LP on the other faction gear which I am most happy to kill you in whilst I enjoy my blueprints LogiGod earns his pips

deepfried salad gilliam Sanguine Knights 300	Posted - 2013.12.16 03:03:00 - [11] - Quote Don't these suits cost less sp to use, take that into account as they are more valuable than their isk equivalent "May God our Father and the Lord Jesus Christ give you grace and peace" - Second Corinthians chapter one verse two.


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