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dust badger SOUND Mercs Of Sound Mind 345	Posted - 2013.12.13 13:33:00 - [1] - Quote Throughout the builds there ave been many claims that there are aspects of pay to win. But with the addition of the looting from FW everyone can own aurum gear with out spending a penny. the only thing you cant get that people who pay can get is boosters, but then again all you get from these is SP and LP, which can be gotten through playing more. Im really loving the loot we are getting im now the proud owner of 20 aurum proto forge guns, i hope you guys are enjoying the militia gear you are getting off me
dent 308 Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore 2134	Posted - 2013.12.13 13:40:00 - [2] - Quote Not what I expected to find under this title at all. Congrats on your looted forge guns, stolen always makes things taste better. Hail Satan
Kasote Denzara A Vulture 1347	Posted - 2013.12.13 13:44:00 - [3] - Quote AUR gear is bought with real money. ISK gear is bought from ISK. You get ISK from playing the game. You get more ISK by using AUR gear that you bought. Your ISK gear is free. Don't ever forget that. Added note: This is directed not to you, but to those that keep calling AUR gear as "pay to win". Personally, I bought AUR to support the game, as well did many others. SWEET MOTHER OF TERESA ON THE HOOD OF A MERCEDES BENZ, YOU SOUND LIKE A MAJESTIC F*ING EAGLE! DO YOU SING?!
dent 308 Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore 2134	Posted - 2013.12.13 13:49:00 - [4] - Quote Kasote Denzara wrote: AUR gear is bought with real money. ISK gear is bought from ISK. You get ISK from playing the game. You get more ISK by using AUR gear that you bought. Your ISK gear is free. Don't ever forget that. Incorrect. Isk earned in-game is NOT free at all. You invest time into earning that isk. Don't ever forget that. Once player trading is hooked up and market pvp begins, the guys who consider earned in-game to be 'free' will **** up the markets they sell in. Similar flawed math buggers up the ore markets in eve constantly. Luckily in there you can prey on them by putting up piles of super cheap buy orders in the right place. tl;dr : time is not free Hail Satan
Xocoyol Zaraoul Superior Genetics 1731	Posted - 2013.12.13 13:49:00 - [5] - Quote And now with LP, even Aurum gear is now "free." Closed Beta Vet Reading the forums detracts from overall enjoyment of the game
dent 308 Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore 2134	Posted - 2013.12.13 13:51:00 - [6] - Quote Xocoyol Zaraoul wrote: And now with LP, even Aurum gear is now "free." http://i.imgur.com/x2rg9Mv.jpg Hail Satan
Yagihige Crux Special Tasks Group Gallente Federation 476	Posted - 2013.12.13 13:52:00 - [7] - Quote I got a Gunnlogi in my salvage. That was fun. em ta kool t'nod
WHOSYOURDADDI Storm Wind Strikeforce Caldari State 0	Posted - 2013.12.13 14:25:00 - [8] - Quote dust badger wrote: Throughout the builds there have been many claims that there are aspects of pay to win. But with the addition of the looting from FW everyone can own aurum gear with out spending a penny. the only thing you cant get that people who pay can get is boosters, but then again all you get from these is SP and LP, which can be gotten through playing more. Im really loving the loot we are getting im now the proud owner of 20 aurum proto forge guns, i hope you guys are enjoying the militia gear you are getting off me I pay to win EVERY match! My name is always #1. F FW and LP. Cash is quicker!
TechMechMeds Swamp Marines Kleenex Inc. 1737	Posted - 2013.12.13 14:32:00 - [9] - Quote Kasote Denzara wrote: AUR gear is bought with real money. ISK gear is bought from ISK. You get ISK from playing the game. You get more ISK by using AUR gear that you bought. Your ISK gear is free. Don't ever forget that. Added note: This is directed not to you, but to those that keep calling AUR gear as "pay to win". Personally, I bought AUR to support the game, as well did many others. I have seen game reviews that state you can get aurum items that are far better than any isk variant, absolutely ridiculous and part of me assumes they are butthurt noobs who sucked and went out of their way to try and kill dust, I find it hard to believe that someone who specialises in game reviews (must look great on their curriculum vitae lol) could be so ignorant. Level 1 forum warrior. Minmatar and Gallente fw. I sold my wife and kids to the Amarr for isk, its a valid tactic.
Maken Tosch DUST University Ivy League 5881	Posted - 2013.12.13 14:44:00 - [10] - Quote dent 308 wrote: Kasote Denzara wrote: AUR gear is bought with real money. ISK gear is bought from ISK. You get ISK from playing the game. You get more ISK by using AUR gear that you bought. Your ISK gear is free. Don't ever forget that. Incorrect. Isk earned in-game is NOT free at all. You invest time into earning that isk. Don't ever forget that. Once player trading is hooked up and market pvp begins, the guys who consider earned in-game to be 'free' will **** up the markets they sell in. Similar flawed math buggers up the ore markets in eve constantly. Luckily in there you can prey on them by putting up piles of super cheap buy orders in the right place. tl;dr : time is not free I LOL at miners who think the ore they mine is free. I'm a dedicated mining player as well as a dedicated market trader and I can tell you that mining ore is never free. Why? Like you said, the time you invest in earns you the ISK and we all know that time is ISK in Eve. This is the biggest mistake I often see with these "free ore" miners. They don't take advantage of the market forces and just want to get the ISK now rather than later even though they already have hundreds of millions of ISK squirreled away. This is something market traders like me often enjoy taking advantage of while the ore I sell are put up as marked-up sell orders. Anyways, back on topic. Once the Dust secondary market hits and boosters can be traded between players like regular market commodities, the whole "this is pay-to-win" argument will fall apart because then players with no lives who squirreled away a ton of ISK will be able to acquire AUR items from the players. It's just like the PLEX market in Eve Online. It's balanced and it brings benefits to both players and CCP. OK, CCP. When are knives finally going to be improved?

Maken Tosch DUST University Ivy League 5881	Posted - 2013.12.13 14:52:00 - [11] - Quote TechMechMeds wrote: Kasote Denzara wrote: AUR gear is bought with real money. ISK gear is bought from ISK. You get ISK from playing the game. You get more ISK by using AUR gear that you bought. Your ISK gear is free. Don't ever forget that. Added note: This is directed not to you, but to those that keep calling AUR gear as "pay to win". Personally, I bought AUR to support the game, as well did many others. I have seen game reviews that state you can get aurum items that are far better than any isk variant, absolutely ridiculous and part of me assumes they are butthurt noobs who sucked and went out of their way to try and kill dust, I find it hard to believe that someone who specialises in game reviews (must look great on their curriculum vitae lol) could be so ignorant. The problem with those "Dust is Pay-to-Win" reviews is that the authors of those reviews don't seem to spend enough time to understand the whole game which that alone would have showed them that this game is not pay-to-win. In fact, they often don't bother considering CCP's plans for the future and as a result their reviews get skewed or become a bit biased. But to be fair to the reviewers, CCP did make some slip ups with the AUR items. CCP promised they would never introduce pay-to-win items in the game where they had no ISK equivalent but then later on they screwed up and accidentally released a couple of AUR items that were inadvertently better than their ISK variant or didn't have ISK variant. Contact grenades come to mind as an example. Thankfully, CCP fixed them but not before the reviewers got the wrong impression because of the slip up. OK, CCP. When are knives finally going to be improved?
dust badger SOUND Mercs Of Sound Mind 351	Posted - 2013.12.13 14:57:00 - [12] - Quote ha i missed those fused grenades, so much rage
Guinevere Bravo SVER True Blood Public Disorder. 499	Posted - 2013.12.13 15:05:00 - [13] - Quote I run a full ADV fit for FW, costs about 50k? I LOVE getting proto salvage.


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