DUST Search - heres an idea on how to balance tanks.

iceyburnz wrote:

Roll back the tank chances keep the AV changes.

Thats how you fix tanks.

Functional indestructability has no place in a game like dust.

Basically its going to be tank spam until it gets fixed.

Tanks are now FOTM. (And drop ships too - I had me and two other guys with swarms shooting at a dropship, he got to half armour, hit a button then ZIP back up to full everything, his ability to rep damage way outstripped our ability to inflict it).

Ive heard people say "wait until the shiney stops then hit him and he will blow up - stop whining etc".

True, but the problem with this is the skill required to figure this out is very low, soon Dust will degenerate into tag teaming tanks, 2 forward, 2 back taking turns with thier functional indestructibility.

Ive also hear it argued that people should just spawn tanks.

Yes that might work, however its likely then that the game will revolve around that one initial tank battle at the beginning to decide who gets tank dominance. After that, its tag teaming tanks again.

Ultimately the solution is fill out the game with content than balance it. It is clear that the piecemeal balancing isn't working, because every balance pass seems to mess stuff up all the more. The only people who arn't complaining right now are the tank drivers, which I imagine are going to get a population explosion very soon (or now).

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Zekain K Expert Intervention Caldari State 790	Posted - 2013.12.12 18:21:00 - [1] - Quote Change the fitting cost of their modules so these basic frames arent able to fit a near complete set of proto gear. If this doesn't change , then the next two tiers will probablt Y be unstoppable. *CALDARI MASTER RACE*
Xocoyol Zaraoul Superior Genetics 1711	Posted - 2013.12.12 18:27:00 - [2] - Quote I'd like to first just fix the bugged Militia Nitro from the 100% to what it is supposed to be, 10%, and then see how HAVs perform. Closed Beta Vet Reading the forums detracts from overall enjoyment of the game
Cosgar ParagonX 8572	Posted - 2013.12.12 18:39:00 - [3] - Quote Or you can just relearn how to kill tanks and stop thinking this is 1.0-1.6. "Adapt or die" and all that. You know, the crap AV said when tanks were PG crippled and could be killed by mass drivers. When invisible swarms plagued the battlefield, when forge guns could hide behind draw distance. When you could squat on a nanohive and huck Hacked EXOs from behind a hill. I'm infantry and I'm saying this. Pick your nuts up and relearn how to pop HAV. Once those modules wear off, they're easier to kill than in 1.0. I tried to put a level into Amarr Commando once, but got a server notification saying "Why?"
DUST Fiend OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 8684	Posted - 2013.12.12 18:39:00 - [4] - Quote Remove militia vehicles from the game Vids / O7
Takahiro Kashuken Red Star. EoN. 1893	Posted - 2013.12.12 18:41:00 - [5] - Quote DUST Fiend wrote: Remove militia vehicles from the game Better remove militia everything then
iceyburnz Crux Special Tasks Group Gallente Federation 1202	Posted - 2013.12.12 18:49:00 - [6] - Quote Roll back the tank chances keep the AV changes. Thats how you fix tanks. Functional indestructability has no place in a game like dust. Basically its going to be tank spam until it gets fixed. Tanks are now FOTM. (And drop ships too - I had me and two other guys with swarms shooting at a dropship, he got to half armour, hit a button then ZIP back up to full everything, his ability to rep damage way outstripped our ability to inflict it). Ive heard people say "wait until the shiney stops then hit him and he will blow up - stop whining etc". True, but the problem with this is the skill required to figure this out is very low, soon Dust will degenerate into tag teaming tanks, 2 forward, 2 back taking turns with thier functional indestructibility. Ive also hear it argued that people should just spawn tanks. Yes that might work, however its likely then that the game will revolve around that one initial tank battle at the beginning to decide who gets tank dominance. After that, its tag teaming tanks again. Ultimately the solution is fill out the game with content than balance it. It is clear that the piecemeal balancing isn't working, because every balance pass seems to mess stuff up all the more. The only people who arn't complaining right now are the tank drivers, which I imagine are going to get a population explosion very soon (or now). "We spent so much time huddling inside buildings with tanks circling outside like a swarm of sharks around bait"
DUST Fiend OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 8687	Posted - 2013.12.12 18:52:00 - [7] - Quote Takahiro Kashuken wrote: DUST Fiend wrote: Remove militia vehicles from the game Better remove militia everything then If it means getting rid of militia vehicles then so be it, though militia infantry gear doesn't cause nearly as much of an issue as militia vehicles (tanks) do. You can't fit out a talentless scrub in an all militia dropsuit and expect him to get all manner of kills. Take that same talentless noob and toss him into an all militia tank, and that changes entirely. He may even kill some prototype suits or a vehicle or two, all for the cost of no skill investment and an advanced suit. Vids / O7
Mobius Wyvern Guardian Solutions DARKSTAR ARMY 4081	Posted - 2013.12.12 18:57:00 - [8] - Quote iceyburnz wrote: Roll back the tank chances keep the AV changes. Thats how you fix tanks. Functional indestructability has no place in a game like dust. Basically its going to be tank spam until it gets fixed. Tanks are now FOTM. (And drop ships too - I had me and two other guys with swarms shooting at a dropship, he got to half armour, hit a button then ZIP back up to full everything, his ability to rep damage way outstripped our ability to inflict it). Ive heard people say "wait until the shiney stops then hit him and he will blow up - stop whining etc". True, but the problem with this is the skill required to figure this out is very low, soon Dust will degenerate into tag teaming tanks, 2 forward, 2 back taking turns with thier functional indestructibility. Ive also hear it argued that people should just spawn tanks. Yes that might work, however its likely then that the game will revolve around that one initial tank battle at the beginning to decide who gets tank dominance. After that, its tag teaming tanks again. Ultimately the solution is fill out the game with content than balance it. It is clear that the piecemeal balancing isn't working, because every balance pass seems to mess stuff up all the more. The only people who arn't complaining right now are the tank drivers, which I imagine are going to get a population explosion very soon (or now). You spent wrote so much... ...and it was all bad. Amidst the blue skies A link from past to future The sheltering wings of the protector
Takahiro Kashuken Red Star. EoN. 1893	Posted - 2013.12.12 19:04:00 - [9] - Quote DUST Fiend wrote: Takahiro Kashuken wrote: DUST Fiend wrote: Remove militia vehicles from the game Better remove militia everything then If it means getting rid of militia vehicles then so be it, though militia infantry gear doesn't cause nearly as much of an issue as militia vehicles (tanks) do. You can't fit out a talentless scrub in an all militia dropsuit and expect him to get all manner of kills. Take that same talentless noob and toss him into an all militia tank, and that changes entirely. He may even kill some prototype suits or a vehicle or two, all for the cost of no skill investment and an advanced suit. I can use a militia BPO suit and fit and get 25+ kills and kill protosuits By your logic that fit is OP because a milita tank can rack up kills and also kill proper tanks
DUST Fiend OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 8689	Posted - 2013.12.12 19:17:00 - [10] - Quote Takahiro Kashuken wrote: DUST Fiend wrote: Takahiro Kashuken wrote: DUST Fiend wrote: Remove militia vehicles from the game Better remove militia everything then If it means getting rid of militia vehicles then so be it, though militia infantry gear doesn't cause nearly as much of an issue as militia vehicles (tanks) do. You can't fit out a talentless scrub in an all militia dropsuit and expect him to get all manner of kills. Take that same talentless noob and toss him into an all militia tank, and that changes entirely. He may even kill some prototype suits or a vehicle or two, all for the cost of no skill investment and an advanced suit. I can use a militia BPO suit and fit and get 25+ kills and kill protosuits By your logic that fit is OP because a milita tank can rack up kills and also kill proper tanks All I'm saying is that the skill level to make infantry militia gear work vs the skill level required to make militia tanks work is a wee skewed. Also keep in mind that many of your pre existing skills are buffing the militia gear that you're using, where a workable militia tank requires basically no skills to operate, and doesn't gain a whole lot directly from those skills either (most are related to how fast you get back into combat, not how effective you are once in combat) How people think an even remotely viable tank under 100K is a good idea.... Vids / O7

Flix Keptick Red Star. EoN. 1539	Posted - 2013.12.12 19:20:00 - [11] - Quote I agree with the idea, but not untill we actually get proto tanks and such. Its hard to balance stuff when most of the tacial content is missing. Just like heavies "HP needs no buff, certain weapons need nerf. Or else all other become obsolete." GÿåForum warrior lvl.1Gÿå Tank driver


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