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KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf
Dominion of the Supreme Emperor God-King KAGEHOSHI
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Posted - 2013.12.12 14:15:00 -
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Damage per second (all advanced) Heavy machinegun: 630 Assault rifle: 446.25 Rail rifle: 444.23 Assault rail rifle: 450 Assault combat rifle: 440
At advanced tier, automatic rifles do about 440-450 damage per second, while an advanced HMG does 630; around 190 more damage per second. This may lead one to believe that this justifies the short range of the HMG, but the numbers are misleading. The actual DPS is pretty poor most of the time because despite having the circle reticle on the target, the amount of bullets actually hitting will be very low because only where the center dot is aimed on will do damage (proof). This makes the automatic rifles much more useful, even at the close range where the HMG actually operates the best. The HMG sucks, and that is why heaves are more successful with light automatic weapons.
On top of the inability to deal damage effectively, there is the horrible issue of range. The optimal range is around 30 meters, and effective range is about only 50 meters. Some would say a heavy dominates at "point defense" despite its poor range, but an AR can be just as effective with higher optimal range, and much higher effective range, 65 meter effective range, while the HMG only has 50 (and the AR is the shortest range automatic rifle). This is important for the future; there will be a laser and a plasma heavy weapon in the future, and the plasma weapon will be the shortest range heavy weapon (plasma tech is short range). The HMG is a projectile weapon, projectiles are meant to be useful at mid-range.
Solutions Make bullets fired spread out evenly in the aiming reticle circle of the HMG, instead of just on the central dot. This would make damage application much easier, and ultimately make the gun more effective. This would make using the HMG at longer ranges more effective since we won't have to aim a tiny dot.
Increase effective range from 30 to 35 (not much needed), and increase the effective range to 60 meters. This small increase in optimal range and effective range is pretty modest. Projectile weapons are meant for mid-range, the future unknown Gallente plasma heavy weapon should be the the close range heavy weapon.
That's it. Bit more range, and distribute the bullets evenly in the reticle.
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Mobius Wyvern
Guardian Solutions DARKSTAR ARMY
4076
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Posted - 2013.12.12 14:23:00 -
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Looks good to me. I know some friends of mine that would love this.
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Cat Merc
Ahrendee Mercenaries EoN.
4656
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Posted - 2013.12.12 14:29:00 -
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Since the spread would increase, that would mean at range the application would be even worse. And in CQC since most of the bullets will miss, again, damage application will be worse.
Hence a DPS buff is needed in your fix, as well as making it so that crouching returns it to it's original pin point accuracy for medium range damage.
Shield regeneration bonus for Gallente Assault is about as useful as Sharpshooter for Nova Knives.
Tuna > Tacos
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Mobius Wyvern
Guardian Solutions DARKSTAR ARMY
4076
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Posted - 2013.12.12 14:39:00 -
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Cat Merc wrote:Since the spread would increase, that would mean at range the application would be even worse. And in CQC since most of the bullets will miss, again, damage application will be worse.
Hence a DPS buff is needed in your fix, as well as making it so that crouching returns it to it's original pin point accuracy for medium range damage. Honestly, if you just made all the rounds hit inside that little circle, crouching would give it the ability to not only hit but suppress at medium range.
Amidst the blue skies
A link from past to future
The sheltering wings of the protector
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KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf
Dominion of the Supreme Emperor God-King KAGEHOSHI
7445
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Posted - 2013.12.12 14:41:00 -
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Cat Merc wrote:Since the spread would increase, that would mean at range the application would be even worse. And in CQC since most of the bullets will miss, again, damage application will be worse.
Hence a DPS buff is needed in your fix, as well as making it so that crouching returns it to it's original pin point accuracy for medium range damage. The increased range should make damage dropoff much less, thus more damage could be dealt at range. While there would be more spread (meaning less DPS applied), but at least you'll actually be able to hit targets easier. I don't know if a DPS buff is needed, but I think that's not something that should be done after if it turns out that it is needed.
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Superhero Rawdon
The Generals General Tso's Alliance
124
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Posted - 2013.12.12 18:06:00 -
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KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf wrote:Damage per second (all advanced) Heavy machinegun: 630 Assault rifle: 446.25 Rail rifle: 444.23 Assault rail rifle: 450 Assault combat rifle: 440 At advanced tier, automatic rifles do about 440-450 damage per second, while an advanced HMG does 630; around 190 more damage per second. This may lead one to believe that this justifies the short range of the HMG, but the numbers are misleading. The actual DPS is pretty poor most of the time because despite having the circle reticle on the target, the amount of bullets actually hitting will be very low because only where the center dot is aimed on will do damage ( proof). This makes the automatic rifles much more useful, even at the close range where the HMG actually operates the best. The HMG sucks, and that is why heavies are more successful with light automatic weapons. On top of the inability to deal damage effectively, there is the horrible issue of range. The optimal range is around 30 meters, and effective range is about only 50 meters. Some would say a heavy dominates at "point defense" despite its poor range, but an AR can be just as effective with higher optimal range, and much higher effective range, 65 meter effective range, while the HMG only has 50 (and the AR is the shortest range automatic rifle). This is important for the future; there will be a laser and a plasma heavy weapon in the future, and the plasma weapon will be the shortest range heavy weapon (plasma tech is short range). The HMG is a projectile weapon, projectiles are meant to be useful at mid-range. Solutions Make bullets fired spread out evenly in the aiming reticle circle of the HMG, instead of just on the central dot. This would make damage application much easier, and ultimately make the gun more effective. This would make using the HMG at longer ranges more effective since we won't have to aim a tiny dot.
Increase effective range from 30 to 35 (not much needed), and increase the effective range to 60 meters. This small increase in optimal range and effective range is pretty modest. Projectile weapons are meant for mid-range, the future unknown Gallente plasma heavy weapon should be the the close range heavy weapon.
That's it. Bit more range, and distribute the bullets evenly in the reticle. Make the HMG a weapon worthy of being restricted to heavies only.
AND GET RID OF THAT GAWDAMN BARREL FLARE!!!!
+1
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Superhero Rawdon
The Generals General Tso's Alliance
124
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Posted - 2013.12.12 18:07:00 -
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Mobius Wyvern wrote:Cat Merc wrote:Since the spread would increase, that would mean at range the application would be even worse. And in CQC since most of the bullets will miss, again, damage application will be worse.
Hence a DPS buff is needed in your fix, as well as making it so that crouching returns it to it's original pin point accuracy for medium range damage. Honestly, if you just made all the rounds hit inside that little circle, crouching would give it the ability to not only hit but suppress at medium range.
well said. exactly right. and suppression is a part of what heavies were meant to do.
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Cat Merc
Ahrendee Mercenaries EoN.
4667
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Posted - 2013.12.12 18:43:00 -
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Superhero Rawdon wrote:Mobius Wyvern wrote:Cat Merc wrote:Since the spread would increase, that would mean at range the application would be even worse. And in CQC since most of the bullets will miss, again, damage application will be worse.
Hence a DPS buff is needed in your fix, as well as making it so that crouching returns it to it's original pin point accuracy for medium range damage. Honestly, if you just made all the rounds hit inside that little circle, crouching would give it the ability to not only hit but suppress at medium range. well said. exactly right. and suppression is a part of what heavies were meant to do. If I know I can kill you faster than you can kill me, your suppression is worthless, I will just out gun you.
Shield regeneration bonus for Gallente Assault is about as useful as Sharpshooter for Nova Knives.
Tuna > Tacos
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Ulysses Knapse
duna corp
717
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Posted - 2013.12.12 19:27:00 -
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Solution?
Humanity is the personification of change.
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KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf
Dominion of the Supreme Emperor God-King KAGEHOSHI
7468
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Posted - 2013.12.13 12:58:00 -
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I don't expect to see a bunch of racial HMGs, just 1 heavy weapon per race.
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Superhero Rawdon
The Generals General Tso's Alliance
127
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Posted - 2013.12.13 14:48:00 -
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Cat Merc wrote:Superhero Rawdon wrote:Mobius Wyvern wrote:Cat Merc wrote:Since the spread would increase, that would mean at range the application would be even worse. And in CQC since most of the bullets will miss, again, damage application will be worse.
Hence a DPS buff is needed in your fix, as well as making it so that crouching returns it to it's original pin point accuracy for medium range damage. Honestly, if you just made all the rounds hit inside that little circle, crouching would give it the ability to not only hit but suppress at medium range. well said. exactly right. and suppression is a part of what heavies were meant to do. If I know I can kill you faster than you can kill me, your suppression is worthless, I will just out gun you.
which is one of the problems, isnt it?
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KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf
Dominion of the Supreme Emperor God-King KAGEHOSHI
7495
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Posted - 2013.12.16 14:32:00 -
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Fix it!
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KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf
Dominion of the Supreme Emperor God-King KAGEHOSHI
7495
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Posted - 2013.12.16 14:45:00 -
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Fix it
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