DUST Search - Why is there a complaint on TTK now?

Cosgar wrote:

Rowdy Railgunner wrote:

Jaysyn Larrisen wrote:

With the multiple avenues of delivering very high levels of DPS the defensive tools available to players haven't caught up. Essentially it's making proto fittings significantly less relevant and to some degree proto weapons. This is particularly acute now that hit detection is sharp and pretty much where it needs to be.

Consider this...
- 10% across the board damage to compensate for poor hit detection from several months ago is still in effect.
- Proficiency level V pull you another 15% ...ps I've never seen how my rounds hit harder the more proficient I am with a weapon except in this game.
- complex damage mods - between 10% to 24% on top of the other damage buffs.
...this is why a BPO Toxin AR can cut through a proto suit in about a second and a half. That and the AR has little to no recoil for a significant burst of 20-30 rounds.

I hope the new rifles will adjust this a bit as different play styles become more viable. That said, offense outperforms defense at the moment.

So the question I ask is what advantage should the SP and ISK for your proto suit, complex mods, and proto weapon get you when they can be countered so easily? What is the subjective "feel" we are looking for with Proto gear vs like gear of proto vs lower tier gear?

Or maybe people are finding out their gun game isn't up to par even though they have proto everything and the first excuse is that TTK is too low. If I only had another 5 seconds to kill that guy I would be happy.

No, I run away from losing fights all the time in my proto suit, ADV. suit, hell even my 600 HP BPO suit and I don't even have 5s in everything yet. 100 hp left, 20 hp left... Good gun game is not just standing there or circle strafing and expecting to win every battle like I see these proto noobs doing all the time.

Good gun game is not getting caught in the open, ducking in and out of cover and applying good shots down range. Good gun game is tactical awareness and having your head on a swivel. And most important is a decent escape route for when you need to retreat and red up.

So quit with the TTK is too low threads. You only make yourself look like a poor sport and a noob and GET-GUD SON.

You're confusing gun game with twitch skills. This was supposed to be a thinking man's FPS, not a FTP COD with future aesthetics. Sounds like you don't want to give anyone the decency to be able to shoot back at you so you pray that CCP keeps things broken like they are now. Who really needs to "get good?"

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Monty Mole Clone Shiv M 84	Posted - 2013.12.11 20:21:00 - [1] - Quote gabriel login wrote: isr kills my 337 shields an 150 armor in half a sec thats just 1 . thats only 37 more hitpoints than my completely free untanked amarr frontline assault starter fit wtf do you expect?
Monty Mole Clone Shiv M 84	Posted - 2013.12.11 20:51:00 - [2] - Quote Rowdy Railgunner wrote: What's funny is people think the TTK is actually low. Go play any other shooter where you are dead in a nanosecond and then come back to DUST. 2-3 seconds is a long time to live while taking fire in a FPS. Anyone who says otherwise may as well tell CCP to just make DUST a turn based game. 2-3 seconds is alot of zen time compaired to getting insta killed by a m14 in cod 4 or the lightning gun in quake or rockets in halo or any other weapon in any other good game you care to mention
Monty Mole Clone Shiv M 84	Posted - 2013.12.11 21:02:00 - [3] - Quote another reason you are seeing complaints about ttk is you can only get so powerfull, people catch up and start to narrow the gap back down to skill and reactions. just my opinion ccp did say back in the closed beta that skill would trump gear, everybody forgot that?
Monty Mole Clone Shiv M 84	Posted - 2013.12.11 21:11:00 - [4] - Quote Cosgar wrote: Rowdy Railgunner wrote: Jaysyn Larrisen wrote: With the multiple avenues of delivering very high levels of DPS the defensive tools available to players haven't caught up. Essentially it's making proto fittings significantly less relevant and to some degree proto weapons. This is particularly acute now that hit detection is sharp and pretty much where it needs to be. Consider this... - 10% across the board damage to compensate for poor hit detection from several months ago is still in effect. - Proficiency level V pull you another 15% ...ps I've never seen how my rounds hit harder the more proficient I am with a weapon except in this game. - complex damage mods - between 10% to 24% on top of the other damage buffs. ...this is why a BPO Toxin AR can cut through a proto suit in about a second and a half. That and the AR has little to no recoil for a significant burst of 20-30 rounds. I hope the new rifles will adjust this a bit as different play styles become more viable. That said, offense outperforms defense at the moment. So the question I ask is what advantage should the SP and ISK for your proto suit, complex mods, and proto weapon get you when they can be countered so easily? What is the subjective "feel" we are looking for with Proto gear vs like gear of proto vs lower tier gear? Or maybe people are finding out their gun game isn't up to par even though they have proto everything and the first excuse is that TTK is too low. If I only had another 5 seconds to kill that guy I would be happy. No, I run away from losing fights all the time in my proto suit, ADV. suit, hell even my 600 HP BPO suit and I don't even have 5s in everything yet. 100 hp left, 20 hp left... Good gun game is not just standing there or circle strafing and expecting to win every battle like I see these proto noobs doing all the time. Good gun game is not getting caught in the open, ducking in and out of cover and applying good shots down range. Good gun game is tactical awareness and having your head on a swivel. And most important is a decent escape route for when you need to retreat and red up. So quit with the TTK is too low threads. You only make yourself look like a poor sport and a noob and GET-GUD SON. You're confusing gun game with twitch skills. This was supposed to be a thinking man's FPS, not a FTP COD with future aesthetics. Sounds like you don't want to give anyone the decency to be able to shoot back at you so you pray that CCP keeps things broken like they are now. Who really needs to "get good?" and you want an automatic get out of free jail card just for been playing longer in a game that isnt turn based and requires skill, see how easy that is to turn around?