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Cardio Therapy
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Posted - 2013.12.11 08:20:00 -
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Thia is a pure comparison for weapon balance. It is not a complain which weapon is OP. If I found one weapon OP I will use it without complaining :).
The comparison is between the advanced types as the TAR starts from advanced lvl.
These are the stats:
Weapon DMGROF Optimal RangeEffective rangeISK
Rail 58.8 461 72 94 10770
Scrambler75.6 705.9 72 88 10770
TAC 75 400 55 77 17625
Rail rifle: full auto, excelent range, good damage, acceptable RoF, good scope, need charge but ut us extremely short. In general this is the perfect tactical rifle
Scrambler: Great damage + charged shot, excelent range, good scope, good accuracy, excelent RoF. Deadly weapon in generally I love it. It is overheating fast but with the Ammar assault dropsuite it is not so bad and can kill a heavy before overheat. single shot but still very fast. almost no recoil. Deadly charged shot.
TAC: I am still trying to like this weapon and to survive while using it. Excelent damage but poor RoF with high recoil, single shot, Poor range for tactical scoped weapon, small clip size, highest price.
TAC should be the premium weapon among those 3 tactical weapons, considering the higher price and higher level required. Still it is the weakes and almost not used in the game. I would love to use it but currently it is hard to survive with it concidering the other options.
In my opinion an increased range and clip size back to 24 will be a good start to pare with the rest of the tactical rifles, but to take its premioum place needs to get higher RoF like the Rail rifle at least considering thet TAC is a single shot , high recoil weapon.
Also I invested a lot into AR and now even GEK is weaker than the adv Rail even in close range.
Rail DPS (damage per second) = 451.78
GEK AR DPS = 446.25
Something is really wrong with the balance.
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Cardio Therapy
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Posted - 2013.12.11 08:43:00 -
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Well I consider it as a tactical weapon also heaving in mind the range and scope. Why not?
the fact that it is more flexible is OK, but it is a higher range scoped weapon. I cannot compare it with the AR even they are full auto. |
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Posted - 2013.12.11 08:46:00 -
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Piercing Serenity wrote:You have things backwards.
TAR (Tactical Assault Rifle) is made by the Galente, who specialize in high damage, close range weapons. The tactical rifle is their attempt to copy the Ammarian Imperial Scrambler rifle. The Rail Rifle is also an attempt to copy the Scrambler Rifle.
This is why the TAR is worse than the other two. It is not optimized like the other two are
OK, I accept that but then what is the reason to be more expencive and to require higher skill level? It doesn't make sense. |
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Posted - 2013.12.11 08:50:00 -
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KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf wrote:Piercing Serenity wrote:
The Rail Rifle is also an attempt to copy the Scrambler Rifle.
This is why the TAR is worse than the other two. It is not optimized like the other two are
NO Tactical AR i an attempt to copy scrambler rifle Breach AR is an attempt to copy the rail rifle Burst AR is an attempt to copy the combat rifle Assault variants of the SCR, RR, and CR are attempts to copy the AR. Rail rifle is not any kind of "tactical", or scrambler rifle mimic Proofto the OP: You fail to mention the bigger magazine of the GEK, and the high kick and spool up time of the ADV rail rifle. DPS is not everything.
I defentitely agree with you and this is no question who copy who. I dont argue the history in the game but a pure balance. I dont want to wake up tomorrow and again all the server to play with 2 weapon types. It is boring. Imagine a good balance that you find players using all the weapons. It would be great.
Just pure balance to make all the weapons usable. |
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Posted - 2013.12.11 09:00:00 -
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Dust Project 514 wrote:"Something is really wrong with the balance."
Um... DUH!''
The entire game is unbalanced. It's been this way since forevah!
On topic. The TAC is garbage.
This is exactly what I ment. The topic is not to complain from galente weapons. I don't really care whit which weapon I will play tomorrow.
The main thing is why we need to have in the game dead weapons that are useless?
I would love to use TAK and burst and breach but really now they are useless.
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Posted - 2013.12.11 09:08:00 -
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KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf wrote:Guess I didn't edit my post fast enough
Regarding the tac AR, it requires higher SP and ISK because its a variant. Variants always require 1 skill higher and more ISK than the base rifles of the same tier, look at assault variants of the other rifles and their skill prerequisites.
Also, like I said before, tac rifle is not the same weapon type as the rail rifle, so you should not compare the 2; rail rifle is NOT A TACTICAL, its a breach. Its only fair to compare the tac AR to the scrambler rifle.
Compare the rail rifle to the breach AR.
That being said, it seems like the AR variants may need a buff. I don't think they should be inferior to what they're designed to mimic, just different.
Once all the rifles have all the variants (like burst SCR, breach CR, etc) I hope they on't be inferior to what they're designed to mimic.
You didn't mention the bigger magazine of the GEK, and the high kick and spool up time of the ADV rail rifle. DPS is not everything (was there before the edit, but IDK if you saw that comment).
Thanks. That is what I aim. TAC, Burst and breach need to be a little tuned up to be more usable.
take the assault scrambler - it is defenitely a very usable and good weapon. why not the TAC be usable as well? |
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Posted - 2013.12.11 12:09:00 -
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hgghyujh wrote:Cardio Therapy wrote:Thia is a pure comparison for weapon balance. It is not a complain which weapon is OP. If I found one weapon OP I will use it without complaining :).
The comparison is between the advanced types as the TAR starts from advanced lvl.
These are the stats:
Weapon DMGROF Optimal RangeEffective rangeISK
Rail 58.8 461 72 94 10770
Scrambler75.6 705.9 72 88 10770
TAC 75 400 55 77 17625
Rail rifle: full auto, excelent range, good damage, acceptable RoF, good scope, need charge but ut us extremely short. In general this is the perfect tactical rifle
Scrambler: Great damage + charged shot, excelent range, good scope, good accuracy, excelent RoF. Deadly weapon in generally I love it. It is overheating fast but with the Ammar assault dropsuite it is not so bad and can kill a heavy before overheat. single shot but still very fast. almost no recoil. Deadly charged shot.
TAC: I am still trying to like this weapon and to survive while using it. Excelent damage but poor RoF with high recoil, single shot, Poor range for tactical scoped weapon, small clip size, highest price.
TAC should be the premium weapon among those 3 tactical weapons, considering the higher price and higher level required. Still it is the weakes and almost not used in the game. I would love to use it but currently it is hard to survive with it concidering the other options.
In my opinion an increased range and clip size back to 24 will be a good start to pare with the rest of the tactical rifles, but to take its premioum place needs to get higher RoF like the Rail rifle at least considering thet TAC is a single shot , high recoil weapon.
Also I invested a lot into AR and now even GEK is weaker than the adv Rail even in close range.
Rail DPS (damage per second) = 451.78
GEK AR DPS = 446.25
Something is really wrong with the balance.
the tac has been either OP or UP this entire game, and really it needs a small damage boost and an change in the way it kicks, frankly it was in a really good place last time it was OP, but assholes with turbo controllers forced ccp to change the way it works and that meant it got the nerf bat like a mother ******. personally I would like to see it get 5 rounds @ 8rps off with next to no kick with a steep jump in kick after/above that that requires about a second to stabilize to around a 4 round burst @ 8rps. still thats pretty abuseable with a programmable turbo controller. I ******* hate those things they break skill shot weapons with no benefit to games in any way, I wish the console manufactures would ******* prune their ******* walled gardens and god damn sue the pants off of anyone selling those things, and delete the accounts of anyone caught using home made ones.
In line with this the scrambler with ammar assault suit and turbo controller is a beast. the things infront of you just die immediately I had the chance to try it. Damn I hate turbo controllers they really spoil the game. . |
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Posted - 2013.12.12 05:36:00 -
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Terra Thesis wrote:Cardio Therapy wrote:TAC should be the premium weapon among those 3 tactical weapons, considering the higher price and higher level required. TAR is more expensive not because it's supposed to be better, but because it's a modified variant of the base weapon.
So should it be a dead weapon just filling the marketplace? Or it can be be fixed? It already has low range. It can at least has no kick and a bit higher RoF. It is a single shot weapon at the end. |
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