DUST Search - Tanking & 1.7

Monkey MAC wrote:

Ninjanomyx wrote:

Monkey MAC wrote:

I had a Max Armor Tank with Small & Large Turrets, & most Modules (Excluding Transporters & MCRU), with Lvl 4 Large Missiles & Lvl 2 Small Blasters being my only Non-5s. I even had a 1.2 Mil wasted SP Sink into Vehicle Maneuvering (Which was more like 1.8 Mil since I never even used it.....), a LLAV @ Lvl 1 & LAV @ Lvl 3. All of this for 13 Mil SP.

So you got All that for 13 mill and it's SP intensive?
13 mill gets me 1lvl 5 light weapon, 1 lvl 5 sidearm, Relevant Core upgrades and maybe some advanced equipment.
Vehicles are going to be SP intensive because they don't want everyman and his dog to have one.

Ummmmm.....are you mentally defunct??? That was the Bare Minimum.....with only STD Tiers available. No Transporters, not full on ALL Turrets, no MCRU, nothing but what I needed to SOLO HAV, with the option to fit Small Turrets @ better than STD for Squad Play. The SP was more intensive when we had Marauders & LOLEnforcers.

18 Mil got me a PRO Winmatar Logi with Max AR, Max Cores, Max Equipment (Except no RE, STD Uplinks & ADV Scanner), no Grenades (Only Scrubs need 'em), Max Damage Mods, Shield & Armor, pretty much everything I'd ever need to be both a Logibro & an AR Rephive Slayer........ I didn't NEED all of that to be effective, but nonetheless I have it all. Your Math needs to be re-evaluated, graded an F-, then deleted so as to hope the spread of ignorance doesn't warrant Pandemic threat levels........

You said large missiles and small blasters were the only non lvl5 you had might want to double check what your saying as I said, 1 light 1 sidearm, 1 suit(was assumed) core upgrades (shields, armour, electronics, engineering, scan extras)

So double check my friend double check.

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Ninjanomyx Imperfects Negative-Feedback 485	Posted - 2013.12.10 16:49:00 - [1] - Quote FK this ST......... Rail Range nerfed to compensate for Render Fail. Whoever thinks Rendering was fixed is either a New Tanker or is blinded by the "Shoe Polish" on the 1st day of a new Update. Example....Tank is sitting on a hill. I can see the Tank pop in & out @ the same Pre-1.7 Render Distance. I shoot at it...... Under normal Pre-1.7 conditions, in the same exact Scenario, I can reliably hit with my 1st Rail Shot, rarely a 2nd to compensate for readjustment if they are "Head Glitching". Now I get Splash Flare in place of a Hit Indicator, & a Hit Indicator while barely aimed above my intended Target. Bullet Drop maybe??? Nope.....tested & it still hits on LoS. The Flares occur directly on, or in front of, the Enemy Tank. Hitting Dropships is actually less reliable than previously, but still manageable until......out of Range. It seems oddly inconsistent though since sometimes I can hit farish, while sometimes not. The Speed Buff is a tad OP as it makes engagements rather awkward, but is sadly necessary due to Cooldown Increase. The Pricing is substantially better. But what is my MAJOR Issue??? SP........ I had a Max Armor Tank with Small & Large Turrets, & most Modules (Excluding Transporters & MCRU), with Lvl 4 Large Missiles & Lvl 2 Small Blasters being my only Non-5s. I even had a 1.2 Mil wasted SP Sink into Vehicle Maneuvering (Which was more like 1.8 Mil since I never even used it.....), a LLAV @ Lvl 1 & LAV @ Lvl 3. All of this for 13 Mil SP. Now??? It will cost EXACTLY 17,137,920 SP to Max Spec a Solo Rail Armor HAV.....no Small Turrets, no other Modules for Flexibility, no Missiles or Blaster, no LAV (Not that I care.....), & no Scanner. Just the Bare Essentials (Damage Mod, Fuel Injector, Armor Plates/Hardener/Repper, & a Large Rail). What else??? NONE of the SP Investments provide a Stat Boost..... No HP Efficacy & no Damage.....just a bunch of "Unlock this to Unlock that" BS.... There was no way to "PLAN" for an SP Sink that inevitability "Pigeonholes" me out of my intended Role.....it's blatant disregard & disrespect. Am I specing back into Tank??? Nope..... Will I FOTM Rail Rifle that damages Shield & Armor simultaneously??? Nope..... I'm going FULL Proficiency 5 MCC AFK Farm 'till either a Full Respec goes out.....or 'till MGS5 swoops down to aid in my escape from CCP Hell........ Full Optional RESPEC for All or BUST for DUST......
jenza aranda BetaMax. 2369	Posted - 2013.12.10 16:52:00 - [2] - Quote you sound mad... Dust 514 101 // Dust 514 Wiki
Takahiro Kashuken Red Star. EoN. 1851	Posted - 2013.12.10 16:54:00 - [3] - Quote My total is just under 18mil for what i could have 15mil for what the basics are but turrets are cut back a bit regarding the extra skills Its gives me access to all vehicles, no extra in ADS tho apart from the 1st level but then again you could use faction stuff which reduces the overall skill trail it would be tho tight fitting from missing that extra 6% or so
Ninjanomyx Imperfects Negative-Feedback 485	Posted - 2013.12.10 16:56:00 - [4] - Quote jenza aranda wrote: you sound mad... You sound like a waste of DNA.......
Ninjanomyx Imperfects Negative-Feedback 486	Posted - 2013.12.10 17:02:00 - [5] - Quote Takahiro Kashuken wrote: My total is just under 18mil for what i could have 15mil for what the basics are but turrets are cut back a bit regarding the extra skills Its gives me access to all vehicles, no extra in ADS tho apart from the 1st level but then again you could use faction stuff which reduces the overall skill trail it would be tho tight fitting from missing that extra 6% or so That doesn't invalidate the point that our intended Role was just given an SP Sink for an already SP intensive Role.....which was IMPOSSIBLE to "Plan" for, thus warranting a Full SP Respec.
chase rowland The Enclave Syndicate Dark Taboo 107	Posted - 2013.12.10 17:06:00 - [6] - Quote jenza aranda wrote: you sound mad... id be mad too. tanking got from crap too worse
Takahiro Kashuken Red Star. EoN. 1851	Posted - 2013.12.10 17:07:00 - [7] - Quote Ninjanomyx wrote: Takahiro Kashuken wrote: My total is just under 18mil for what i could have 15mil for what the basics are but turrets are cut back a bit regarding the extra skills Its gives me access to all vehicles, no extra in ADS tho apart from the 1st level but then again you could use faction stuff which reduces the overall skill trail it would be tho tight fitting from missing that extra 6% or so That doesn't invalidate the point that our intended Role was just given an SP Sink for an already SP intensive Role.....which was IMPOSSIBLE to "Plan" for, thus warranting a Full SP Respec. I agree with you But nothing happened, so you have to work around it now I mean i couldnt have held onto 15mil SP for upto or beyond a year, i ended up skilling into a secondary infantry role to help out in PC and give me somehting to do in pubs now i feel its wasted to an extent and if i knew about this shake up i would have never gone into infantry But its like talking to a brick wall If im hoping for anything its AUR respecs so maybe i can pay a bit to reallocate everything into vehicles like i intended to do in the 1st place Wasnt my fault that i maxed out the vehicle tree to my liking only to have CCP turn it upside down and triple the SP sink, if i knew that no infantry skills i would have
Mrs the Monarch Holdfast Syndicate Amarr Empire 0	Posted - 2013.12.10 17:13:00 - [8] - Quote jenza aranda wrote: you sound mad... Quality CPM post. Would vote for you again. (Oh wait)
Crimson Cerberes Hammer Of Light Covenant of the Phoenix Alliance 98	Posted - 2013.12.10 17:21:00 - [9] - Quote jenza aranda wrote: you sound mad... Our glorious CPM at work. Way to represent our community, trolling.
Ninjanomyx Imperfects Negative-Feedback 491	Posted - 2013.12.10 17:50:00 - [10] - Quote Crimson Cerberes wrote: jenza aranda wrote: you sound mad... Our glorious CPM at work. Way to represent our community, trolling. I'm starting to believe jenza is IWS's ALT.......

Atiim Living Like Larry Schwag 1819	Posted - 2013.12.10 17:55:00 - [11] - Quote Well you guys did want to be better at Anti-Vehicle than Anti-Vehicle itself. Life Lesson: Be careful of what you wish for. My Very First Thread About Tanks -HAND
Monkey MAC Lost Millennium 1176	Posted - 2013.12.10 17:57:00 - [12] - Quote I had a Max Armor Tank with Small & Large Turrets, & most Modules (Excluding Transporters & MCRU), with Lvl 4 Large Missiles & Lvl 2 Small Blasters being my only Non-5s. I even had a 1.2 Mil wasted SP Sink into Vehicle Maneuvering (Which was more like 1.8 Mil since I never even used it.....), a LLAV @ Lvl 1 & LAV @ Lvl 3. All of this for 13 Mil SP. So you got All that for 13 mill and it's SP intensive? 13 mill gets me 1lvl 5 light weapon, 1 lvl 5 sidearm, Relevant Core upgrades and maybe some advanced equipment. Vehicles are going to be SP intensive because they don't want everyman and his dog to have one. The pen is mightier than the sword The gun is mightier than both Monkey Mac - Forum Warrior of the Trees Lvl.1
Noc Tempre Imperfects Negative-Feedback 2621	Posted - 2013.12.10 18:02:00 - [13] - Quote I still can't decide if the Vanguard or Prowler is better. They both are so different. The prowler moves and fires faster, but the vanguard hits like god's own hammer. Siege mode versus an overshield... All I know for sure is they are much better than the magrider. They both look dope in black.
Oxskull Duncarino Shadow Company HQ 292	Posted - 2013.12.10 18:09:00 - [14] - Quote Monkey MAC wrote: I had a Max Armor Tank with Small & Large Turrets, & most Modules (Excluding Transporters & MCRU), with Lvl 4 Large Missiles & Lvl 2 Small Blasters being my only Non-5s. I even had a 1.2 Mil wasted SP Sink into Vehicle Maneuvering (Which was more like 1.8 Mil since I never even used it.....), a LLAV @ Lvl 1 & LAV @ Lvl 3. All of this for 13 Mil SP. So you got All that for 13 mill and it's SP intensive? 13 mill gets me 1lvl 5 light weapon, 1 lvl 5 sidearm, Relevant Core upgrades and maybe some advanced equipment. Vehicles are going to be SP intensive because they don't want everyman and his dog to have one. Well said Monkey, although I'm in agreement with Jenza's trolling of them too. A bunch of crybabies that want it all for nothing.
Ninjanomyx Imperfects Negative-Feedback 492	Posted - 2013.12.10 18:12:00 - [15] - Quote Atiim wrote: Well you guys did want to be better at Anti-Vehicle than Anti-Vehicle itself. Life Lesson: Be careful of what you wish for. You need to learn to read...... My Rail still kills Infantry just fine, if not better than before. You are as useless/pointless as your Posts seem
True Adamance Scions of Athra 4728	Posted - 2013.12.10 18:13:00 - [16] - Quote Noc Tempre wrote: I still can't decide if the Vanguard or Prowler is better. They both are so different. The prowler moves and fires faster, but the vanguard hits like god's own hammer. Siege mode versus an overshield... All I know for sure is they are much better than the magrider. They both look dope in black. What are these odd sounding tanks? PS2 or something? "All things were created by the Divine, and so the glory of our faith is inherent to us all"
Monkey MAC Lost Millennium 1177	Posted - 2013.12.10 18:18:00 - [17] - Quote Atiim wrote: Well you guys did want to be better at Anti-Vehicle than Anti-Vehicle itself. Life Lesson: Be careful of what you wish for. Actually Atiim, from what I here even tanks are crap at killing tanks! How is that for balance. Im calling it here and now Spkr4thedead will make a post complaing about how weak RDV units are and how dog bombs (Lav bombs) are overpowered. The pen is mightier than the sword The gun is mightier than both Monkey Mac - Forum Warrior of the Trees Lvl.1
TERMINALANCE Zumari Force Projection Caldari State 238	Posted - 2013.12.10 18:18:00 - [18] - Quote Ninjanomyx wrote: Crimson Cerberes wrote: jenza aranda wrote: you sound mad... Our glorious CPM at work. Way to represent our community, trolling. I'm starting to believe jenza is IWS's ALT....... Nah just IWS sock....
Ninjanomyx Imperfects Negative-Feedback 493	Posted - 2013.12.10 18:25:00 - [19] - Quote Monkey MAC wrote: I had a Max Armor Tank with Small & Large Turrets, & most Modules (Excluding Transporters & MCRU), with Lvl 4 Large Missiles & Lvl 2 Small Blasters being my only Non-5s. I even had a 1.2 Mil wasted SP Sink into Vehicle Maneuvering (Which was more like 1.8 Mil since I never even used it.....), a LLAV @ Lvl 1 & LAV @ Lvl 3. All of this for 13 Mil SP. So you got All that for 13 mill and it's SP intensive? 13 mill gets me 1lvl 5 light weapon, 1 lvl 5 sidearm, Relevant Core upgrades and maybe some advanced equipment. Vehicles are going to be SP intensive because they don't want everyman and his dog to have one. Ummmmm.....are you mentally defunct??? That was the Bare Minimum.....with only STD Tiers available. No Transporters, not full on ALL Turrets, no MCRU, nothing but what I needed to SOLO HAV, with the option to fit Small Turrets @ better than STD for Squad Play. The SP was more intensive when we had Marauders & LOLEnforcers. 18 Mil got me a PRO Winmatar Logi with Max AR, Max Cores, Max Equipment (Except no RE, STD Uplinks & ADV Scanner), no Grenades (Only Scrubs need 'em), Max Damage Mods, Shield & Armor, pretty much everything I'd ever need to be both a Logibro & an AR Rephive Slayer........ I didn't NEED all of that to be effective, but nonetheless I have it all. Your Math needs to be re-evaluated, graded an F-, then deleted so as to hope the spread of ignorance doesn't warrant Pandemic threat levels........
Ninjanomyx Imperfects Negative-Feedback 493	Posted - 2013.12.10 18:28:00 - [20] - Quote Oxskull Duncarino wrote: Monkey MAC wrote: I had a Max Armor Tank with Small & Large Turrets, & most Modules (Excluding Transporters & MCRU), with Lvl 4 Large Missiles & Lvl 2 Small Blasters being my only Non-5s. I even had a 1.2 Mil wasted SP Sink into Vehicle Maneuvering (Which was more like 1.8 Mil since I never even used it.....), a LLAV @ Lvl 1 & LAV @ Lvl 3. All of this for 13 Mil SP. So you got All that for 13 mill and it's SP intensive? 13 mill gets me 1lvl 5 light weapon, 1 lvl 5 sidearm, Relevant Core upgrades and maybe some advanced equipment. Vehicles are going to be SP intensive because they don't want everyman and his dog to have one. Well said Monkey, although I'm in agreement with Jenza's trolling of them too. A bunch of crybabies that want it all for nothing. You should be sterilized & cremated.......

Monkey MAC Lost Millennium 1178	Posted - 2013.12.10 18:30:00 - [21] - Quote Ninjanomyx wrote: Monkey MAC wrote: I had a Max Armor Tank with Small & Large Turrets, & most Modules (Excluding Transporters & MCRU), with Lvl 4 Large Missiles & Lvl 2 Small Blasters being my only Non-5s. I even had a 1.2 Mil wasted SP Sink into Vehicle Maneuvering (Which was more like 1.8 Mil since I never even used it.....), a LLAV @ Lvl 1 & LAV @ Lvl 3. All of this for 13 Mil SP. So you got All that for 13 mill and it's SP intensive? 13 mill gets me 1lvl 5 light weapon, 1 lvl 5 sidearm, Relevant Core upgrades and maybe some advanced equipment. Vehicles are going to be SP intensive because they don't want everyman and his dog to have one. Ummmmm.....are you mentally defunct??? That was the Bare Minimum.....with only STD Tiers available. No Transporters, not full on ALL Turrets, no MCRU, nothing but what I needed to SOLO HAV, with the option to fit Small Turrets @ better than STD for Squad Play. The SP was more intensive when we had Marauders & LOLEnforcers. 18 Mil got me a PRO Winmatar Logi with Max AR, Max Cores, Max Equipment (Except no RE, STD Uplinks & ADV Scanner), no Grenades (Only Scrubs need 'em), Max Damage Mods, Shield & Armor, pretty much everything I'd ever need to be both a Logibro & an AR Rephive Slayer........ I didn't NEED all of that to be effective, but nonetheless I have it all. Your Math needs to be re-evaluated, graded an F-, then deleted so as to hope the spread of ignorance doesn't warrant Pandemic threat levels........ You said large missiles and small blasters were the only non lvl5 you had might want to double check what your saying as I said, 1 light 1 sidearm, 1 suit(was assumed) core upgrades (shields, armour, electronics, engineering, scan extras) So double check my friend double check. The pen is mightier than the sword The gun is mightier than both Monkey Mac - Forum Warrior of the Trees Lvl.1
Ninjanomyx Imperfects Negative-Feedback 493	Posted - 2013.12.10 18:35:00 - [22] - Quote Monkey MAC wrote: Ninjanomyx wrote: Monkey MAC wrote: I had a Max Armor Tank with Small & Large Turrets, & most Modules (Excluding Transporters & MCRU), with Lvl 4 Large Missiles & Lvl 2 Small Blasters being my only Non-5s. I even had a 1.2 Mil wasted SP Sink into Vehicle Maneuvering (Which was more like 1.8 Mil since I never even used it.....), a LLAV @ Lvl 1 & LAV @ Lvl 3. All of this for 13 Mil SP. So you got All that for 13 mill and it's SP intensive? 13 mill gets me 1lvl 5 light weapon, 1 lvl 5 sidearm, Relevant Core upgrades and maybe some advanced equipment. Vehicles are going to be SP intensive because they don't want everyman and his dog to have one. Ummmmm.....are you mentally defunct??? That was the Bare Minimum.....with only STD Tiers available. No Transporters, not full on ALL Turrets, no MCRU, nothing but what I needed to SOLO HAV, with the option to fit Small Turrets @ better than STD for Squad Play. The SP was more intensive when we had Marauders & LOLEnforcers. 18 Mil got me a PRO Winmatar Logi with Max AR, Max Cores, Max Equipment (Except no RE, STD Uplinks & ADV Scanner), no Grenades (Only Scrubs need 'em), Max Damage Mods, Shield & Armor, pretty much everything I'd ever need to be both a Logibro & an AR Rephive Slayer........ I didn't NEED all of that to be effective, but nonetheless I have it all. Your Math needs to be re-evaluated, graded an F-, then deleted so as to hope the spread of ignorance doesn't warrant Pandemic threat levels........ You said large missiles and small blasters were the only non lvl5 you had might want to double check what your saying as I said, 1 light 1 sidearm, 1 suit(was assumed) core upgrades (shields, armour, electronics, engineering, scan extras) So double check my friend double check. Learn to read Scrub...... They are the only Non-5s with SP Invested, & Turrets. This doesn't include MCRU, Transporters, etc. I clearly display my Infantry SP above.....you are incorrigibly ignorant. Do you even know what a x12 SP Multiplier looks like??? Have you ever seen a PRO HAV??? I'll take that as a "No"....


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