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DeadlyAztec11
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Posted - 2013.12.09 15:51:00 -
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I think one way of fighting the plague that is the Logi Assault is to make better sidearms.
Improve the Nova Knives and un nerf the Flaylock, which is currently harder to reliably kill with than the Nova Knives.
I know that Amarr Logi's can have sidearms but there tank is meh. The biggest threat are Minmatar Logi and Gallante Logi, they both armor tank or even brick tank. The Flaylock would help even out the playing field 
Madness is the emergency exit. You can just step outside, and close the door on all those dreadful things that happened.
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Kasote Denzara
A Vulture
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Posted - 2013.12.09 15:53:00 -
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I'm strongly against it.
It would murder the golden feeling moments when I Breach Flaylock people.
SWEET MOTHER OF TERESA ON THE HOOD OF A MERCEDES BENZ, YOU SOUND LIKE A MAJESTIC EAGLE! DO YOU SING?!
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Jadd Hatchen
Psygod9
D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E
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Posted - 2013.12.09 15:54:00 -
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DeadlyAztec11 wrote:I think one way of fighting the plague that is the Logi Assault is to make better sidearms. Improve the Nova Knives and un nerf the Flaylock, which is currently harder to reliably kill with than the Nova Knives. I know that Amarr Logi's can have sidearms but there tank is meh. The biggest threat are Minmatar Logi and Gallante Logi, they both armor tank or even brick tank. The Flaylock would help even out the playing field
You're dumb... Before I started to run around with a maxed out AR on my logi I used the Flaylock instead. Less PG and CPU required for it so more room for equipment and shield extenders... Un-nerfing the Flaylock would only benefit the Ligi's not make them worse.
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DeadlyAztec11
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Posted - 2013.12.09 16:07:00 -
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Jadd Hatchen wrote:DeadlyAztec11 wrote:I think one way of fighting the plague that is the Logi Assault is to make better sidearms. Improve the Nova Knives and un nerf the Flaylock, which is currently harder to reliably kill with than the Nova Knives. I know that Amarr Logi's can have sidearms but there tank is meh. The biggest threat are Minmatar Logi and Gallante Logi, they both armor tank or even brick tank. The Flaylock would help even out the playing field You're dumb... Before I started to run around with a maxed out AR on my logi I used the Flaylock instead. Less PG and CPU required for it so more room for equipment and shield extenders... Un-nerfing the Flaylock would only benefit the Ligi's not make them worse.
No need to do personal attacks bro.
Anyways that means I can run a Duvolle and Flaylock at the same time while you can run only one.
Madness is the emergency exit. You can just step outside, and close the door on all those dreadful things that happened.
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TranquilBiscuit ofVaLoR
F.T.U.
IMMORTAL REGIME
766
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Posted - 2013.12.09 16:12:00 -
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DeadlyAztec11 wrote:
Improve the Nova Knives and un nerf the Flaylock, which is currently harder to reliably kill with than the Nova Knives.
no it's not. as a sidearm specialist I can honestly say that the core flaylock is easier than ishukone nova knives. all sidearm proficiency is at the very least 3, all used with one complex damage mod, so the judging grounds are equal.
Tell me, how exactly DOES a biscuit gain Valor?
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Ryme Intrinseca
The Rainbow Effect
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Posted - 2013.12.09 16:16:00 -
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Explosive spam is a much bigger threat to the game than logi slayers will ever be. |
Flix Keptick
Red Star.
EoN.
1463
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Posted - 2013.12.09 16:16:00 -
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I would consider the amarr logi to be the only true "assault logi". It is balanced by a reduced slot count and low walk/sprint speeds
"HP needs no buff, certain weapons need nerf. Or else all other become obsolete."
GÿåForum warrior lvl.1Gÿå
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John Demonsbane
Unorganized Ninja Infantry Tactics
League of Infamy
648
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Posted - 2013.12.09 16:16:00 -
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Question: What has suddenly made a low fitting cost, dual-wieldable and very accurate grenade launcher no longer OP?
I'll answer for you: Nothing. The answer to something unbalanced is not something even more unbalanced.
"The line between disorder and order lies in logistics" -Sun Tzu
Amarr victor!
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Flix Keptick
Red Star.
EoN.
1463
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Posted - 2013.12.09 16:17:00 -
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Ryme Intrinseca wrote:Explosive spam is a much bigger threat to the game than logi slayers will ever be.
Ar spam is already destroying the game...
"HP needs no buff, certain weapons need nerf. Or else all other become obsolete."
GÿåForum warrior lvl.1Gÿå
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Sinboto Simmons
SVER True Blood
Public Disorder.
2951
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Posted - 2013.12.09 16:20:00 -
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TranquilBiscuit ofVaLoR wrote:DeadlyAztec11 wrote:
Improve the Nova Knives and un nerf the Flaylock, which is currently harder to reliably kill with than the Nova Knives.
no it's not. as a sidearm specialist I can honestly say that the core flaylock is easier than ishukone nova knives. all sidearm proficiency is at the very least 3, all used with one complex damage mod, so the judging grounds are equal.
That bit I underlined right there, nothing to do with how reliable the weapon is.
Sinboto - The True Blood Minja
Forum Warrior level 2
STB-Infantry (Demolition)
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taxi bastard
Minor Trueblood
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Posted - 2013.12.09 16:47:00 -
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DeadlyAztec11 wrote:I think one way of fighting the plague that is the Logi Assault is to make better sidearms. Improve the Nova Knives and un nerf the Flaylock, which is currently harder to reliably kill with than the Nova Knives. I know that Amarr Logi's can have sidearms but there tank is meh. The biggest threat are Minmatar Logi and Gallante Logi, they both armor tank or even brick tank. The Flaylock would help even out the playing field
minmitar logi here
did you know that with my modest SP's I can fit a gallenti militia medium frame and get over 800 EHP
fitting
AR
locus grenade
2x's enhanced armour plates
1x's complex armour plate
compact nano hive
shields 150HP
armour 653HP
total EHP 803
as an advanced minmitar logi here is tanking the suit as far as possible with my skills
AR
locus grenade
3x's complex armour extenders
3x's enhanced shield extenders
compact nanohive
shields 217
armour 633
total EHP 850
if I could use proto shield extenders I would only be able to swap out one enhanced for a complex so 250 shields 633 armour and total EHP 883.
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Rogue Saint
Science For Death
596
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Posted - 2013.12.09 16:51:00 -
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DeadlyAztec11 wrote:
Anyways that means I can run a Duvolle and Flaylock at the same time
LOL. I think you need to contemplate that statement and re think your original post
GôêGÆ+GÆ+GƦ - Bringing the dakka
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Bethhy
Ancient Exiles.
Renegade Alliance
430
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Posted - 2013.12.09 16:56:00 -
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A lot of Logi's with singular weapon slot's in the beginning's of Uprising where Flaylock only...
Flaylock for all it's flaw's in its infancy always allowed dueling potential.. Two flaylockers could duel and it would be somewhat enjoyable.
Two Mass drivers dueling? Two Forge guns Dueling? Two core nade spammers dueling? Two shotgunners(now) dueling?
Flaylock is remembered from some as very bad... But with what we have now ill take it back. |
Cosgar
ParagonX
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Posted - 2013.12.09 17:00:00 -
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I agree the Flaylock was nerfed to hard since hit detection was still broken for hitscan weapons. Simply raising the CPU cost, lowering the RoF, and halving the ammo capacity could've balanced the thing out.
I tried to put a level into Amarr Commando once, but got a server notification saying "Why?"
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Leovarian L Lavitz
NECROM0NGERS
Covert Intervention
840
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Posted - 2013.12.09 17:04:00 -
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Bethhy wrote:A lot of Logi's with singular weapon slot's in the beginning's of Uprising where Flaylock only...
Flaylock for all it's flaw's in its infancy always allowed dueling potential.. Two flaylockers could duel and it would be somewhat enjoyable.
Two Mass drivers dueling? Two Forge guns Dueling? Two core nade spammers dueling? Two shotgunners(now) dueling?
Flaylock is remembered from some as very bad... But with what we have now ill take it back.
I'd say increase either its explosive radius or its explosive damage, not both, but just make it actually competetive against the SMG/Scrambler. Right now it's not even in the same league.
Omni-Soldier
Few are my equal in one of these specialties, and there are none who can compare in all of them.
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Bethhy
Ancient Exiles.
Renegade Alliance
430
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Posted - 2013.12.09 17:05:00 -
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Cosgar wrote:I agree the Flaylock was nerfed to hard since hit detection was still broken for hitscan weapons. Simply raising the CPU cost, lowering the RoF, and halving the ammo capacity could've balanced the thing out.
Yah the main problem with the flaylock before, you can even watch some of CEOpyrex's video's when he was using it... he would reload sometimes 200 times in a match.
It was meant to be a burst AOE dmg weapon... and slow as hell reload...
It wasn't a weapon meant to pack a lot of explosive bullets in your pocket.. or be able to load all those projectiles in a second. Or be a deadeye aim with shooting their feet...(because headshot direct impact flaylock hits do less damage then shooting their feet ) |
Arkena Wyrnspire
Turalyon 514
Turalyon Alliance
5951
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Posted - 2013.12.09 17:34:00 -
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Clearly a great solution to logis is to make a weapon ridiculous again rather than, you know, nerf the logis.
Level 5 Forum Warrior
Lenin of the glorious armoured revolution
Gallente FW - 'Turalyon'
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Cyrius Li-Moody
The New Age Outlaws
WINMATAR.
2159
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Posted - 2013.12.09 17:38:00 -
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Flaylock suuuuuuucks. Why spend millions of SP on an AOE pistol with almost no AOE and no direct damage?
Scrambler pistol does more damage to armor in a clip and it has -20% against armor, and the exact same reload time.
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DeadlyAztec11
2637
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Posted - 2013.12.09 17:45:00 -
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Cyrius Li-Moody wrote:Flaylock suuuuuuucks. Why spend millions of SP on an AOE pistol with almost no AOE and no direct damage?
Scrambler pistol does more damage to armor in a clip and it has -20% against armor, and the exact same reload time.
^ Voice of reason.
Madness is the emergency exit. You can just step outside, and close the door on all those dreadful things that happened.
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Sinboto Simmons
SVER True Blood
Public Disorder.
2960
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Posted - 2013.12.10 11:25:00 -
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DeadlyAztec11 wrote:Cyrius Li-Moody wrote:Flaylock suuuuuuucks. Why spend millions of SP on an AOE pistol with almost no AOE and no direct damage?
Scrambler pistol does more damage to armor in a clip and it has -20% against armor, and the exact same reload time. ^ Voice of reason.
He always is.
Sinboto - The True Blood Minja
Forum Warrior level 2
STB-Infantry (Demolition)
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Sinboto Simmons
SVER True Blood
Public Disorder.
2963
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Posted - 2013.12.10 11:26:00 -
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Leovarian L Lavitz wrote:Bethhy wrote:A lot of Logi's with singular weapon slot's in the beginning's of Uprising where Flaylock only...
Flaylock for all it's flaw's in its infancy always allowed dueling potential.. Two flaylockers could duel and it would be somewhat enjoyable.
Two Mass drivers dueling? Two Forge guns Dueling? Two core nade spammers dueling? Two shotgunners(now) dueling?
Flaylock is remembered from some as very bad... But with what we have now ill take it back. I'd say increase either its explosive radius or its explosive damage, not both, but just make it actually competetive against the SMG/Scrambler. Right now it's not even in the same league.
I'll take radius, my aim sucks.
Another idea is to increase missile speed and clip size.
Sinboto - The True Blood Minja
Forum Warrior level 2
STB-Infantry (Demolition)
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DeadlyAztec11
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Posted - 2013.12.10 12:36:00 -
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Sinboto Simmons wrote:Leovarian L Lavitz wrote:Bethhy wrote:A lot of Logi's with singular weapon slot's in the beginning's of Uprising where Flaylock only...
Flaylock for all it's flaw's in its infancy always allowed dueling potential.. Two flaylockers could duel and it would be somewhat enjoyable.
Two Mass drivers dueling? Two Forge guns Dueling? Two core nade spammers dueling? Two shotgunners(now) dueling?
Flaylock is remembered from some as very bad... But with what we have now ill take it back. I'd say increase either its explosive radius or its explosive damage, not both, but just make it actually competetive against the SMG/Scrambler. Right now it's not even in the same league. I'll take radius, my aim sucks. Another idea is to increase missile speed and clip size.
The explosive range already increases lol
Damage is what needs to be un nerfed.
Madness is the emergency exit. You can just step outside, and close the door on all those dreadful things that happened.
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Denchlad 7
Heavy Reign inc.
Freek Alliance
27
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Posted - 2013.12.10 12:42:00 -
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I still kill nearly everything with the Flaylock. I actually barely noticed a difference when it was nerfed.
That being said if we brought back the good old days I wouldnt complain. :D
-Flaylocks you in the face.
-You rage at your proto-stomp suits death.
-I laugh and dance off to blow up some more.
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