DUST Search - is it worth getting into?

Karl Marx II wrote:

Roy Ventus wrote:

Liam Woolfe wrote:

And if so what advice would you give to fittings/skills? This game seems like it has a badass plan for it but it also seems very annoying.

Go for Medium Fittings as they're the most versatile and thus the "safest" for players. If you're there for support, go Logistics, if you're there to kill go for Assault. Pick one of the two and stick with it. You'll need about 5 months to really get deep into the role(Proto Suits, Proto Weapons, Complex Modules, Proto Grenades, etc). Keep a game plan and work towards it.

Try to get a Prototype Suit first
A Prototype weapon is also important
Don't neglect Handheld Weapon Operation(or whatever the skill is called that gives you passive bonus damage for all weapons)
Work on your preferred choice of HP(Armor or Shields)
Grenades aren't a must have but are cool to have(pro-tip Flux grenades clear out enemy equipment much better)
Take note of what everybody else is using

As far as races go:

Caldari dropsuits are meant for keeping distance OR hit-and-runs. The upcoming Caldari Rail Rifle allows you to take down Gallente armor tankers from a distance or run up on them with SMGs and strafe around their bullets until their down. Both should be viable methods. Caldari are the faster of the races, being right under Minmatar

Gallente dropsuits are meant for closer combat than the Caldari with the Gallente Assault Rifles actually sucking at long range hits. You don't want to be stuck in a corridor with a Gallente who has stacked damage mods and about 700+ eHP(Shields+Armor).

Amarr are meant to be the real Armor Tankers, able to sit and take hits while they kill you down with their Amarr Scrambler Rifles(they can take out 1000+ eHP with two hits at their highest caliber, I've heard). Amarr have the habit of coming off as thuggish or pushy just because of their Armor stacking capabilities. They're slower than the other suits but that definitely does not handicap them.

Minmatar are meant to speed tank around with versatility, but currently the Minmatar are really UP compared to other suits, although you can still be a slayer with it, you'll have to go to unorthodox methods of slaying to get the job done. More than likely if CCP doesn't adjust these dropsuits soon, players will probably find a work around to using them properly despite their drawbacks because Minmatar are the most crafty Blink

^ I forgot to mention the Minmatar's Combat Rifle but really I don't know how they will work with Minmatar's yet.

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On a side note, I'd advise you to join a corp or popular chat channel other than local so that you may get the experience from playing with many different kinds of players. There's less incentive to play solo than there is to play as a team.

Edit: Don't worry about dying a lot...Everyone goes through it from the start. You see those people sniping on the redline when the battle could be won? Those are the same people who don't become valuable mercs in the game or community. I've finally just gotten my KD/R to 1.07(I die more than I need to >.>) and I'm a pretty above average merc that has the experience of losing thousands of times to double those loses into wins.

Wrong

New players should always focus on core skills

A STD Suit with STD weapon and STD grenades with max electronics and engineering, max handheld weapon upgrades and max shield and Armor skills is stronger and cheaper than an ADV suit with ADV weapons and modules and advanced electronics/engineering/shield and armor skills

My STD suit

Caldari C-1 Assault

Assault Rifle
Submachine Gun
m1 Locus Grenade

Complex Shield Extender
Complex Light Damage Modifier

Enhanced Armour Plates
Basic Armor Plates

Compact Nanohive

197/197 CPU 36/39 PG

342 Shields
364 Armor
706 eHP

ISK 20,460
AR Damage = 43.01 (up from 34 base damage)

When you take into account a GEK alone costs 17k it really isn't good advice to tell someone to get a proto suit 1st .. a proto suit without high lvl core skills is just an expensive ISK sink and really isn't worth it

My loadout above is ridiculously cost effective

So OP Focus on your core skills 1st before going proto

"There once was a time when there wasn't a Roy Ventus and it wasn't much of a time at all."

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Liam Woolfe Krusual Covert Operators Minmatar Republic 0	Posted - 2013.12.09 01:10:00 - [1] - Quote And if so what advice would you give to fittings/skills? This game seems like it has a badass plan for it but it also seems very annoying.
I-Shayz-I I-----I 1561	Posted - 2013.12.09 01:20:00 - [2] - Quote All depends on what kind of role you want to play. Pretty much anything under the core upgrades tree is good, and you want to specialize in at least one weapon. You can stick to basic/militia suits for a while until you figure out what playstyle you want, then skill into one type of dropsuit. If you like equipment go logi. If you like killing go assault. If you like being sneaky/stealthy go scout. If you like defending an area or blowing up tanks go heavy. Here's a video on logi skills and what I find important. It should help a bit: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-vAlei1E4Oc&feature=youtube_gdata_player The rest of the videos on my channel so some fun gameplay and fitting ideas so that you can see what stuff is awaiting you in the future if you decide to keep playing. _____________________________________ Also, I agree that the time it takes to get used to fittings/skills/etc is rather annoying. I stopped playing this game for 3 months after I first started, then when I came back I had over 2.5 million sp to spend and started actually having fun. If anything, find a corp, join a chat channel, and play with some good players so that you actually have a chance on the battlefield. Otherwise you'll just get stomped all day long. Links: List of Most Important Threads I make logistics videos!
Vitharr Foebane Blood Money Mercenaries 322	Posted - 2013.12.09 01:24:00 - [3] - Quote Do yourself a favor and stick to med suits and anything with rifle in the name (except laser rifle) and you will be just fine. DO NOT under any circumstance branch out until they fix the other 80% of the game. How to make a Heavy Laser: 1.Take laser 2.Make it REALLY BIG 3.Give it to the heavy sobbing quietly in the corner.
The Eristic Sad Panda Solutions 69	Posted - 2013.12.09 01:25:00 - [4] - Quote Run mlt/free suits till you figure out which racial suit looks like it might be your jam. Invest in core skills. Find enjoyable people and play with them. Don't let the kittens get you down.
Tectonic Fusion 686	Posted - 2013.12.09 01:27:00 - [5] - Quote If outsmarting players, or beating the other team with teamwork, then this is your game. Otherwise go play CoD. Solo Player Squad status: Locked
Nocturnal Soul Immortal Retribution 1228	Posted - 2013.12.09 01:28:00 - [6] - Quote And for the love a jebus read the lore "The trick to creativity is knowing how to hide your sources..." Albert Einstein
Karl Marx II Holdfast Syndicate Amarr Empire 338	Posted - 2013.12.09 02:30:00 - [7] - Quote Liam Woolfe wrote: And if so what advice would you give to fittings/skills? This game seems like it has a badass plan for it but it also seems very annoying. Run .... and Never stop running .. Get as far away from this game as you possibly can ... save yourself it is too late for us .... seriously CCP say nice things and then proceed to screw you over .. especially as a new player .. you;ll get thrown to the wolves My Theme
Operative 1171 Aajli Bragian Order Amarr Empire 796	Posted - 2013.12.09 02:42:00 - [8] - Quote Karl Marx II wrote: Liam Woolfe wrote: And if so what advice would you give to fittings/skills? This game seems like it has a badass plan for it but it also seems very annoying. Run .... and Never stop running .. Get as far away from this game as you possibly can ... save yourself it is too late for us .... seriously CCP say nice things and then proceed to screw you over .. especially as a new player .. you;ll get thrown to the wolves Amen. Do your part. Join the revolution. Sabotage FW. Help this game burn! BURN DUST 2014
Michael Arck Anubis Prime Syndicate 2020	Posted - 2013.12.09 02:44:00 - [9] - Quote Remember that opinions are subjective. They don't define your experience but could shed light on what you might experience. Check it out and see if its something that you want to dedicate some time to. If you need help, filter out the troll posts and you will find some great folks who are ready to assist in every way. It's all about perspective.
Lorhak Gannarsein 651	Posted - 2013.12.09 02:46:00 - [10] - Quote The Eristic wrote: Run mlt/free suits till you figure out which racial suit looks like it might be your jam. Invest in core skills. Find enjoyable people and play with them. Don't let the kittens get you down. This. Especially the second half.

low genius The Sound Of Freedom Renegade Alliance 979	Posted - 2013.12.09 02:51:00 - [11] - Quote Liam Woolfe wrote: And if so what advice would you give to fittings/skills? This game seems like it has a badass plan for it but it also seems very annoying. if you want a game that offers more than 3 months of gameplay, sure. core skills win fights, not proto guns or suits.
JL3Eleven 1392	Posted - 2013.12.09 02:52:00 - [12] - Quote 1. Create multiple Sony PSN accounts 2. Go on to each PSN account and create at least 1 Dust account 3. Turn active SP on for the newly created Dust account 4. Quit game and do not return for 1 year. 5. ???????? 6. Profit Dust Billionaire and LAV BPO Dealer "Any fool can make a rule, and any fool will mind it." -Henry David Thoreau
Roy Ventus Foxhound Corporation General Tso's Alliance 658	Posted - 2013.12.09 02:55:00 - [13] - Quote Liam Woolfe wrote: And if so what advice would you give to fittings/skills? This game seems like it has a badass plan for it but it also seems very annoying. Go for Medium Fittings as they're the most versatile and thus the "safest" for players. If you're there for support, go Logistics, if you're there to kill go for Assault. Pick one of the two and stick with it. You'll need about 5 months to really get deep into the role(Proto Suits, Proto Weapons, Complex Modules, Proto Grenades, etc). Keep a game plan and work towards it. Try to get a Prototype Suit first A Prototype weapon is also important Don't neglect Handheld Weapon Operation(or whatever the skill is called that gives you passive bonus damage for all weapons) Work on your preferred choice of HP(Armor or Shields) Grenades aren't a must have but are cool to have(pro-tip Flux grenades clear out enemy equipment much better) Take note of what everybody else is using As far as races go: Caldari dropsuits are meant for keeping distance OR hit-and-runs. The upcoming Caldari Rail Rifle allows you to take down Gallente armor tankers from a distance or run up on them with SMGs and strafe around their bullets until their down. Both should be viable methods. Caldari are the faster of the races, being right under Minmatar Gallente dropsuits are meant for closer combat than the Caldari with the Gallente Assault Rifles actually sucking at long range hits. You don't want to be stuck in a corridor with a Gallente who has stacked damage mods and about 700+ eHP(Shields+Armor). Amarr are meant to be the real Armor Tankers, able to sit and take hits while they kill you down with their Amarr Scrambler Rifles(they can take out 1000+ eHP with two hits at their highest caliber, I've heard). Amarr have the habit of coming off as thuggish or pushy just because of their Armor stacking capabilities. They're slower than the other suits but that definitely does not handicap them. Minmatar are meant to speed tank around with versatility, but currently the Minmatar are really UP compared to other suits, although you can still be a slayer with it, you'll have to go to unorthodox methods of slaying to get the job done. More than likely if CCP doesn't adjust these dropsuits soon, players will probably find a work around to using them properly despite their drawbacks because Minmatar are the most crafty ^ I forgot to mention the Minmatar's Combat Rifle but really I don't know how they will work with Minmatar's yet. - On a side note, I'd advise you to join a corp or popular chat channel other than local so that you may get the experience from playing with many different kinds of players. There's less incentive to play solo than there is to play as a team. "There once was a time when there wasn't a Roy Ventus and it wasn't much of a time at all." Roy Ventus
Karl Marx II Holdfast Syndicate Amarr Empire 340	Posted - 2013.12.09 03:24:00 - [14] - Quote Roy Ventus wrote: Liam Woolfe wrote: And if so what advice would you give to fittings/skills? This game seems like it has a badass plan for it but it also seems very annoying. Go for Medium Fittings as they're the most versatile and thus the "safest" for players. If you're there for support, go Logistics, if you're there to kill go for Assault. Pick one of the two and stick with it. You'll need about 5 months to really get deep into the role(Proto Suits, Proto Weapons, Complex Modules, Proto Grenades, etc). Keep a game plan and work towards it. Try to get a Prototype Suit first A Prototype weapon is also important Don't neglect Handheld Weapon Operation(or whatever the skill is called that gives you passive bonus damage for all weapons) Work on your preferred choice of HP(Armor or Shields) Grenades aren't a must have but are cool to have(pro-tip Flux grenades clear out enemy equipment much better) Take note of what everybody else is using As far as races go: Caldari dropsuits are meant for keeping distance OR hit-and-runs. The upcoming Caldari Rail Rifle allows you to take down Gallente armor tankers from a distance or run up on them with SMGs and strafe around their bullets until their down. Both should be viable methods. Caldari are the faster of the races, being right under Minmatar Gallente dropsuits are meant for closer combat than the Caldari with the Gallente Assault Rifles actually sucking at long range hits. You don't want to be stuck in a corridor with a Gallente who has stacked damage mods and about 700+ eHP(Shields+Armor). Amarr are meant to be the real Armor Tankers, able to sit and take hits while they kill you down with their Amarr Scrambler Rifles(they can take out 1000+ eHP with two hits at their highest caliber, I've heard). Amarr have the habit of coming off as thuggish or pushy just because of their Armor stacking capabilities. They're slower than the other suits but that definitely does not handicap them. Minmatar are meant to speed tank around with versatility, but currently the Minmatar are really UP compared to other suits, although you can still be a slayer with it, you'll have to go to unorthodox methods of slaying to get the job done. More than likely if CCP doesn't adjust these dropsuits soon, players will probably find a work around to using them properly despite their drawbacks because Minmatar are the most crafty ^ I forgot to mention the Minmatar's Combat Rifle but really I don't know how they will work with Minmatar's yet. - On a side note, I'd advise you to join a corp or popular chat channel other than local so that you may get the experience from playing with many different kinds of players. There's less incentive to play solo than there is to play as a team. Edit: Don't worry about dying a lot...Everyone goes through it from the start. You see those people sniping on the redline when the battle could be won? Those are the same people who don't become valuable mercs in the game or community. I've finally just gotten my KD/R to 1.07(I die more than I need to >.>) and I'm a pretty above average merc that has the experience of losing thousands of times to double those loses into wins. Wrong New players should always focus on core skills A STD Suit with STD weapon and STD grenades with max electronics and engineering, max handheld weapon upgrades and max shield and Armor skills is stronger and cheaper than an ADV suit with ADV weapons and modules and advanced electronics/engineering/shield and armor skills My STD suit Caldari C-1 Assault Assault Rifle Submachine Gun m1 Locus Grenade Complex Shield Extender Complex Light Damage Modifier Enhanced Armour Plates Basic Armor Plates Compact Nanohive 197/197 CPU 36/39 PG 342 Shields 364 Armor 706 eHP ISK 20,460 AR Damage = 43.01 (up from 34 base damage) When you take into account a GEK alone costs 17k it really isn't good advice to tell someone to get a proto suit 1st .. a proto suit without high lvl core skills is just an expensive ISK sink and really isn't worth it My loadout above is ridiculously cost effective So OP Focus on your core skills 1st before going proto My Theme
Rynoceros Rise Of Old Dudes 1520	Posted - 2013.12.09 03:39:00 - [15] - Quote In Order: Assault Rifle Operation The 4 Main Dropsuit Core Upgrades Light Weapon Operation and Sidearm Operation Handheld Weapon Operation Dropsuit Electronics Upgrades Dropsuit Engineering Upgrades Profile Dampening Range Amplification That should keep you busy for 3 or 4 solid months and about 10,000,000 SP After that, you'll know what you want to specialize in and everything will fit. And, if you can relegate yourself to just [STARTER FIT]s, you'll have 100,000,000 ISK or more. Cheeseburgers.
DUST 514 Player 12345678914 Forty-Nine Fedayeen Minmatar Republic 581	Posted - 2013.12.09 03:49:00 - [16] - Quote Karl Marx II wrote: Liam Woolfe wrote: And if so what advice would you give to fittings/skills? This game seems like it has a badass plan for it but it also seems very annoying. Run .... and Never stop running .. Get as far away from this game as you possibly can ... save yourself it is too late for us .... seriously CCP say nice things and then proceed to screw you over .. especially as a new player .. you;ll get thrown to the wolves I would just like to add that you will be playing against a base of players of whom many own very useful DLC that is no longer available. You have a lot to answer for.
Dunk Mujunk RestlessSpirits 382	Posted - 2013.12.09 03:58:00 - [17] - Quote I love Dust. I play Dust every day. looks around quickly and whispers Please help me! I don't want to play this garbage anymore. A baseball bat to the face has more entertainment appeal. If you want the Dust experience with less pain and hassle, fall in love with, then impregnate a chick addicted to perscrption pain medication and get into a custody battle with her. Whether you lose the kid or not, you'll be in better shape than if you played Dust. Strange thing is, no one is keeping me here........ Looks down at sig Every time I try to walk away, something makes me turn around and stay, and I can't tell you why Eagles Dust Tribute
TechMechMeds Swamp Marines Kleenex Inc. 1597	Posted - 2013.12.09 04:22:00 - [18] - Quote Liam Woolfe wrote: And if so what advice would you give to fittings/skills? This game seems like it has a badass plan for it but it also seems very annoying. If you are going to play then make sure you read everything, read what every item, suit, gun, skill, equipment, mods and vehicles do, read everything. Join a corp, I'd recommend dust university, they will train you. Specialise your character, don't be a jack of all trades and master of none. Consider how you want to play and what suits, items and guns etc compliment that. Teamwork is essential in dust and no there's none of that trash noobcake quickscoping either. Make sure you tweak your sensitivity as well. Ps. Those letters need to be hacked and can be hacked back. Level 1 forum warrior. Minmatar and Gallente fw. I sold my wife and kids to the Amarr for isk, its a valid tactic.
Liam Woolfe Krusual Covert Operators Minmatar Republic 2	Posted - 2013.12.09 13:02:00 - [19] - Quote Very helpful. A perfect mix between love it and run away lol
Savage Mangler DUST University Ivy League 22	Posted - 2013.12.09 14:39:00 - [20] - Quote If you're looking for a corp, DUST University will welcome you with open arms. We are by no means the "best" ( I find the term to be subjective) players around, but as a training corp we do what we can to help you get on your feet in the world New Eden, including advice, lectures on specific playstyles, people to squad up with, etc. /shameless self-promotion over -YOU HAVE BEEN SCANNED- "Good, then they'll know who killed them." Keep your knives sharp....and your wits sharper.

Shinobi MumyoSakanagare ZaShigurui Seituoda Taskforce Command Caldari State 171	Posted - 2013.12.09 14:43:00 - [21] - Quote I-Shayz-I wrote: All depends on what kind of role you want to play. Pretty much anything under the core upgrades tree is good, and you want to specialize in at least one weapon. You can stick to basic/militia suits for a while until you figure out what playstyle you want, then skill into one type of dropsuit. If you like equipment go logi. If you like killing go assault. If you like being sneaky/stealthy go scout. If you like defending an area or blowing up tanks go heavy. Here's a video on logi skills and what I find important. It should help a bit: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-vAlei1E4Oc&feature=youtube_gdata_player The rest of the videos on my channel so some fun gameplay and fitting ideas so that you can see what stuff is awaiting you in the future if you decide to keep playing. _____________________________________ Also, I agree that the time it takes to get used to fittings/skills/etc is rather annoying. I stopped playing this game for 3 months after I first started, then when I came back I had over 2.5 million sp to spend and started actually having fun. If anything, find a corp, join a chat channel, and play with some good players so that you actually have a chance on the battlefield. Otherwise you'll just get stomped all day long. I've been playing this game for over a year now and I still love it. I've spent more hours in this game than every FF game I've played combined. Even more than some RPGs and MMOs that I thought I liked. The amount of skill/strategy in this game is why I like it, and the connection you get with other players is very enjoying too. I would just like to say that , " YOUR A CLASS ACT " I-Shayz-I . " BANE " of ALL vehicle users , Crush , Kill and Destroy ALL vehicles !!!!!
Bethhy Ancient Exiles. Renegade Alliance 429	Posted - 2013.12.09 15:11:00 - [22] - Quote Tectonic Fusion wrote: If outsmarting players, or beating the other team with teamwork, then this is your game. Otherwise go play CoD. Can have 16 5-10mil Sp players working together, 2-4 slayer vet's will ruin any team work. There is no x factor in killing them or having to keep concentration up for 15 minutes straight with my aiming.. I can relax and move crosshair's in general areas(AA locks) move cross hair up slightly half a second and the target is dead barely using 25% of my clip. Rinse, Repeat.. As long as i have scan's going and AA... I barely have to rely on much for FPS skills.
Vrain Matari ZionTCD Public Disorder. 1329	Posted - 2013.12.09 16:41:00 - [23] - Quote Don't stand still - ever. Run militia or standard suits(i prefer standard, they're cheap cheap and give you a buff over militia. Also, take a close look at the cost of the specialized suits(Assault, Logistics, Scout) to the generic suits(Medium Frame, Light Frame) - best bang for the buck imo is the Standard Assault or Standard Logi because you get the role bonus and the suits are cheap) Remember that the core skills will apply to every suit you wear. Tank your suit but be aware that your tank will never save you: everything comes down to battlefield awareness and tactics. Even militia/standard weapons can and do kill high-level protoype suits - it's all about choosing your engagements and leveraging terrain. You can run solo but it is hard mode for masochists. Corp recommended while you're learning the game. Get a scanner and train up your profile dampening if you want to be something other than prey. If you're running a scanner squad up(a good idea regardless). To make decent warpoints while you're learning the ropes, put a level into uplinks and a level into nanohives/nanite injectors. Spawn in with your uplink suit(fastest suit, prolly worth getting a level in Light frames) sprint in and drop an uplink somewhere secure, switch out to your nanohive suit and get a hive or two down, and then run an injector or a scanner for your main combat suit. You'll be squishy at the beginning - don't go rambo, find the fights, stay behind your guys and pick them up with your needle or scan for them and keep your eyes open for enemy flankers. A merc's early career in New Eden can be rough. Take your beatings like a man and stick with it - you'll be dishing out the pain yourself eventually, but it will take a while to get there. And as far as investing in the game goes, what we're playing right now isn't really DUST - CCP is still adding the basic FPS gear and features to the game and fixing up old code. In the new year we'll start to see some of the real DUST content and things will really start to rock. I support SP rollover.
Roy Ventus Foxhound Corporation General Tso's Alliance 661	Posted - 2013.12.09 17:34:00 - [24] - Quote Karl Marx II wrote: Roy Ventus wrote: Liam Woolfe wrote: And if so what advice would you give to fittings/skills? This game seems like it has a badass plan for it but it also seems very annoying. Go for Medium Fittings as they're the most versatile and thus the "safest" for players. If you're there for support, go Logistics, if you're there to kill go for Assault. Pick one of the two and stick with it. You'll need about 5 months to really get deep into the role(Proto Suits, Proto Weapons, Complex Modules, Proto Grenades, etc). Keep a game plan and work towards it. Try to get a Prototype Suit first A Prototype weapon is also important Don't neglect Handheld Weapon Operation(or whatever the skill is called that gives you passive bonus damage for all weapons) Work on your preferred choice of HP(Armor or Shields) Grenades aren't a must have but are cool to have(pro-tip Flux grenades clear out enemy equipment much better) Take note of what everybody else is using As far as races go: Caldari dropsuits are meant for keeping distance OR hit-and-runs. The upcoming Caldari Rail Rifle allows you to take down Gallente armor tankers from a distance or run up on them with SMGs and strafe around their bullets until their down. Both should be viable methods. Caldari are the faster of the races, being right under Minmatar Gallente dropsuits are meant for closer combat than the Caldari with the Gallente Assault Rifles actually sucking at long range hits. You don't want to be stuck in a corridor with a Gallente who has stacked damage mods and about 700+ eHP(Shields+Armor). Amarr are meant to be the real Armor Tankers, able to sit and take hits while they kill you down with their Amarr Scrambler Rifles(they can take out 1000+ eHP with two hits at their highest caliber, I've heard). Amarr have the habit of coming off as thuggish or pushy just because of their Armor stacking capabilities. They're slower than the other suits but that definitely does not handicap them. Minmatar are meant to speed tank around with versatility, but currently the Minmatar are really UP compared to other suits, although you can still be a slayer with it, you'll have to go to unorthodox methods of slaying to get the job done. More than likely if CCP doesn't adjust these dropsuits soon, players will probably find a work around to using them properly despite their drawbacks because Minmatar are the most crafty ^ I forgot to mention the Minmatar's Combat Rifle but really I don't know how they will work with Minmatar's yet. - On a side note, I'd advise you to join a corp or popular chat channel other than local so that you may get the experience from playing with many different kinds of players. There's less incentive to play solo than there is to play as a team. Edit: Don't worry about dying a lot...Everyone goes through it from the start. You see those people sniping on the redline when the battle could be won? Those are the same people who don't become valuable mercs in the game or community. I've finally just gotten my KD/R to 1.07(I die more than I need to >.>) and I'm a pretty above average merc that has the experience of losing thousands of times to double those loses into wins. Wrong New players should always focus on core skills A STD Suit with STD weapon and STD grenades with max electronics and engineering, max handheld weapon upgrades and max shield and Armor skills is stronger and cheaper than an ADV suit with ADV weapons and modules and advanced electronics/engineering/shield and armor skills My STD suit Caldari C-1 Assault Assault Rifle Submachine Gun m1 Locus Grenade Complex Shield Extender Complex Light Damage Modifier Enhanced Armour Plates Basic Armor Plates Compact Nanohive 197/197 CPU 36/39 PG 342 Shields 364 Armor 706 eHP ISK 20,460 AR Damage = 43.01 (up from 34 base damage) When you take into account a GEK alone costs 17k it really isn't good advice to tell someone to get a proto suit 1st .. a proto suit without high lvl core skills is just an expensive ISK sink and really isn't worth it My loadout above is ridiculously cost effective So OP Focus on your core skills 1st before going proto Depends on what OP wants. Some people feel they're better if they get Proto sooner than later and imo it's all about the mentality. If OP is the type of person, he could run your idea through but end up feeling late to the game because he doesn't have a Proto and is getting "Proto stomp," thus wanting the option to Proto. Either way, a person will want BOTH set of skills at the end of the day. "There once was a time when there wasn't a Roy Ventus and it wasn't much of a time at all." Roy Ventus


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