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Django Quik Dust2Dust. 1832	Posted - 2013.12.06 11:43:00 - [1] - Quote Even with the nerfs across the board, the assault forge gun is still more powerful than any of the other variants (officer FG notwithstanding). Why, when it has the shortest charge time, does it have the most damage? Is the fact you can't hold the charge seriously that much of a drawback? Dust2Dust - Funeral arrangements for all of New Eden. Join our public channel D2D. to chat and squad with us.
Kasote Denzara A Vulture 1166	Posted - 2013.12.06 11:48:00 - [2] - Quote Us "fair" FGers have long since declared the Assault variants "too strong". But, people cried and cried and cried and it lead to the across board reduction to ALL the FGs, not just the variant that was causing the issue. Welcome to AR 514, where everything that isn't a Plasma Rifle deserves to be nerfed into the ground. SWEET MOTHER OF TERESA ON THE HOOD OF A MERCEDES BENZ, YOU SOUND LIKE A MAJESTIC EAGLE! DO YOU SING?!
Gorra Snell The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY 297	Posted - 2013.12.06 11:50:00 - [3] - Quote The breach numbers are all higher than the Assault: Quote: Base STD - Damage: 1320 to 1200 \| Charge time: 3.5 to 4.0 ADV - Damage: 1452 to 1320 \| Charge time: 3.5 to 4.0 PRO - Damage: 1584 to 1440 \| Charge time: 3.5 to 4.0 Assault STD GÇô N/A ADV - Damage: 1525 to 1375 \| Charge time: 2.5 to 3.0 PRO - Damage: 1663 to 1500 \| Charge time: 2.5 to 3.0 Breach STD - Damage: 2310 to 1750 \| Charge time: 6.0 to 6.0 ADV - Damage: 2541 to 1925 \| Charge time: 6.0 to 6.0 PRO - Damage: 2772 to 2100 \| Charge time: 6.0 to 6.0 Or were you talking DPS? RDVs are a failed experiment - can't we just remove them from the game?
pegasis prime BIG BAD W0LVES 1363	Posted - 2013.12.06 11:54:00 - [4] - Quote im my personal experience with forge guns the assault varients have been my go to forge since early chrome as its lack of ability to hold a charge is actually its biggest advantage it is in no way a draw back and the extra damage I allways thought was the cherry on top. When fighting on the front line (not on an unreachable rooftop) the assault varients are most effective against both vehicles and infantry. the assault forge guns in my opinion should have less direct damage than the normal varients simply because the low charge time and lack of ability to haold said charge would still give it the highest dps out of all forge guns. Its gone from suck .....to blow level 1 forum warrior
Vyzion Eyri The Southern Legion The Umbra Combine 2186	Posted - 2013.12.06 11:55:00 - [5] - Quote I don't think this is the nerf we've been asking for, this is the nerf that's been applied to all AV weapons to adjust for the rebalanced vehicles. I suspect CCP doesn't want to chance forge guns drastically as heavies really have nothing else to turn to otherwise. "When nothing is going your way, go out of your way to do nothing."
Django Quik Dust2Dust. 1832	Posted - 2013.12.06 11:56:00 - [6] - Quote Gorra Snell wrote: The breach numbers are all higher than the Assault: Quote: Base STD - Damage: 1320 to 1200 \| Charge time: 3.5 to 4.0 ADV - Damage: 1452 to 1320 \| Charge time: 3.5 to 4.0 PRO - Damage: 1584 to 1440 \| Charge time: 3.5 to 4.0 Assault STD GÇô N/A ADV - Damage: 1525 to 1375 \| Charge time: 2.5 to 3.0 PRO - Damage: 1663 to 1500 \| Charge time: 2.5 to 3.0 Breach STD - Damage: 2310 to 1750 \| Charge time: 6.0 to 6.0 ADV - Damage: 2541 to 1925 \| Charge time: 6.0 to 6.0 PRO - Damage: 2772 to 2100 \| Charge time: 6.0 to 6.0 Or were you talking DPS? Yeah, I probably should have specifically said DPS instead of just 'powerful'. Cheers, fixed. Dust2Dust - Funeral arrangements for all of New Eden. Join our public channel D2D. to chat and squad with us.
MINA Longstrike 2Shitz 1Giggle 135	Posted - 2013.12.06 11:58:00 - [7] - Quote would assault forges be 'balanced' if they lost 75m of range?
Django Quik Dust2Dust. 1832	Posted - 2013.12.06 12:00:00 - [8] - Quote Vyzion Eyri wrote: I don't think this is the nerf we've been asking for, this is the nerf that's been applied to all AV weapons to adjust for the rebalanced vehicles. I suspect CCP doesn't want to chance forge guns drastically as heavies really have nothing else to turn to otherwise. True but you would have thought that when making changes in general that they would have taken a second to think about what has been said about the AFG for months (if not years) and lowered the direct damage in order to even out the DPS with the standard variants. Good ol' CCP logic. Dust2Dust - Funeral arrangements for all of New Eden. Join our public channel D2D. to chat and squad with us.
Iron Wolf Saber Den of Swords 11091	Posted - 2013.12.06 12:00:00 - [9] - Quote Plasma Cannons were not nerfed. :P CPM 0 Secretary Omni-Soldier, Forum Warrior, Annoying Artist \\= Advanced Infantry Armoring =// Unlocked
Django Quik Dust2Dust. 1832	Posted - 2013.12.06 12:00:00 - [10] - Quote MINA Longstrike wrote: would assault forges be 'balanced' if they lost 75m of range? Nah, range is meaningless to them. It's the DPS that's the real issue. Dust2Dust - Funeral arrangements for all of New Eden. Join our public channel D2D. to chat and squad with us.

Django Quik Dust2Dust. 1832	Posted - 2013.12.06 12:01:00 - [11] - Quote Iron Wolf Saber wrote: Plasma Cannons were not nerfed. :P Yes, a very good thing but I'm still not sure they're going to be viable AV weapons. I look forward to finding out though... Dust2Dust - Funeral arrangements for all of New Eden. Join our public channel D2D. to chat and squad with us.
MINA Longstrike 2Shitz 1Giggle 135	Posted - 2013.12.06 12:05:00 - [12] - Quote Django Quik wrote: MINA Longstrike wrote: would assault forges be 'balanced' if they lost 75m of range? Nah, range is meaningless to them. It's the DPS that's the real issue. it might mean something if optimal, effective, maximum was ever properly implemented for them, because right now it's full damage 0-300 meters. If they actually had say... a range where they were doing 100% damage (say out to 160 for regular variants) and then a range where they started to hit the really steep falloff (say 230m) and then a range where they're doing like 10% damage (300) they might be a bit better balanced. As it is I rarely see a forge-gunner that's not up on some impossible to hit rooftop.
Jastad D.A.R.K L.E.G.I.O.N D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 309	Posted - 2013.12.06 12:12:00 - [13] - Quote MINA Longstrike wrote: Django Quik wrote: MINA Longstrike wrote: would assault forges be 'balanced' if they lost 75m of range? Nah, range is meaningless to them. It's the DPS that's the real issue. it might mean something if optimal, effective, maximum was ever properly implemented for them, because right now it's full damage 0-300 meters. If they actually had say... a range where they were doing 100% damage (say out to 160 for regular variants) and then a range where they started to hit the really steep falloff (say 230m) and then a range where they're doing like 10% damage (300) they might be a bit better balanced. As it is I rarely see a forge-gunner that's not up on some impossible to hit rooftop. Sorry,but some us forgers are on ground. And the nerf at the time charge is deadly for ground forgers. Math in hand: a GEK no mod, no prof can dish out 783 DMG in the time the AFG charge. With the 1,7 time change when facing an AR 1000,5 DMG.... And the Forge is not an HITSCAN weapon. OH and BTW, we are talking of an adv weapon with no mod or no prof. i don't even take in account SCRAM and the Future Rail. 'Cause you know, Heavy suit is like a magnet for bullets. ...and may the FORGE be with you.
Heavenly Daughter the Aurum Grinder and Company 222	Posted - 2013.12.06 12:12:00 - [14] - Quote Django Quik wrote: Even with the nerfs across the board, the assault forge gun is still more powerful (DPS) than any of the other variants (officer FG notwithstanding). Why, when it has the shortest charge time, does it have the most damage? Is the fact you can't hold the charge seriously that much of a drawback? I think that you can't hold a charge is a benefit in this instance. The charge time is so short that it's not really a hinderance at all. By this reckoning, that charge sniper rifle, should be SERIOUSLY buffed, but, of course I would say that lol. I agree though, the weapon is OP and seriously so, despite the smaller splash area. . __ `/.)\ Nade \| Scan Attempt Prevented \| 31 mill SP \__/ 514 \| NFP Prime League Winner\| Longest Kill 588 Mtr`
Vulpes Dolosus SVER True Blood Public Disorder. 400	Posted - 2013.12.06 12:16:00 - [15] - Quote MINA Longstrike wrote: would assault forges be 'balanced' if they lost 75m of range? I think all forges would be balanced with a slight range nerf (300>>250). I'd even settle for falloff/reduced damage from 250 to 300m. Dropship Specialist: AKA Clinically Insane Kills- Incubus: 3; Pythons: 0; Logistics: 0; Militia: 19; Tanks: 4
Cody Sietz Unkn0wn Killers Renegade Alliance 1724	Posted - 2013.12.06 12:16:00 - [16] - Quote Heavenly Daughter wrote: Django Quik wrote: Even with the nerfs across the board, the assault forge gun is still more powerful (DPS) than any of the other variants (officer FG notwithstanding). Why, when it has the shortest charge time, does it have the most damage? Is the fact you can't hold the charge seriously that much of a drawback? I think that you can't hold a charge is a benefit in this instance. The charge time is so short that it's not really a hinderance at all. By this reckoning, that charge sniper rifle, should be SERIOUSLY buffed, but, of course I would say that lol. I agree though, the weapon is OP and seriously so, despite the smaller splash area. yeah, not being able to hold a charge would be a draw back if they had a longer charge time but when they can drive around in a LAV, hop out, and FG a few turrets or a tank in 2 seconds...not really a drawback. "I do agree with you there though. shudders" -Arkena Wyrnspire
Son-Of A-Gun 3dge of D4rkness SoulWing Alliance 526	Posted - 2013.12.06 12:26:00 - [17] - Quote Iron Wolf Saber wrote: Plasma Cannons were not nerfed. :P HAH! I didn't even think about that! Good catch! I'll have to run the numbers but, man I sure do hope that this will end up making them a viable AV weapon. If the numbers come out right I'm ganna go for it. {:)}{3GÇó>
Judge Rhadamanthus Amarr Templars Amarr Empire 889	Posted - 2013.12.06 12:36:00 - [18] - Quote Because it's the nerf DUST deserves, but not the one it needs right now. Everything Dropship youtube channel my Community Spotlight
Spectral Clone Dust2Dust. Top Men. 810	Posted - 2013.12.06 13:26:00 - [19] - Quote Iron Wolf Saber wrote: Plasma Cannons were not nerfed. :P They were not fixed either. The fix is planned for 1.8, right? KDR > ALL ME > KDR ME > ALL


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