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Denak Kalamari
Intaki Liberation Front Intaki Prosperity Initiative
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Posted - 2014.01.09 07:43:00 -
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Tron Draconis wrote:What I don't understand is, some people make it sound as if they aren't part of a controlling system that gives them the idea to believe that what they are saying is right, All 4 Empires have done bad, and good to benefit themselves, the Gallente represent themselves as True Liberators, some would confused them with Americans, All the Alliances would be confused for Americans, but lts face it, There's a reason why all 4 Empires came from within the Government body of Earth, let me repeat that EARTH!, the ancestors of every human in New Eden, meaning, that no matter where we go, no matter what Alliance you go to, you will find the same things that you find on Current Earth, Slavery, Greed, deception, Lies, and most importantly, a system of control so perfect, that the human mind doesn't recognize it, right now, our beliefs aren't ours, they are a combination of knowledge that we all acquire throughout the years, so at this moment, we have no right to judge another alliance for things that the rest of the alliances do, whether is in secret, or not.
Let make this Example, and tell me how you would feel, So there are 4 humans, all from Caldari, Gallente, Amarr, and Minmatar, Lets say that each of these humans were a brother to you or sister, and they were found guilty of treason, and burned alive to show example of treason, Then a few weeks ago, you receive a message from your now Dead Brother or sister, about how they were innocent, do you believe what the message says, or do you turn a blind eye and believe what your Government tells you?
If the answer is You do believe in the message, then what would you do, a revolution? Rebellion? maybe you think about it, maybe all four of these Alliance's Govt will kill you, and your whole entire family just to shut you up. Now of course, because the 4 Humans from all different Alliances aren't your family, you don't give a damn about them, or do you? would sacrifice you and your family for the sake of another, or are you now thinking of maybe the answer is you believe in the Govt, and turn a blind eye. Your entire argument was invalidated the moment you mentioned Terra. I don't listen to delusioned people.
Grahisha of ILF // Writer of Thoughts of a Clone Soldier // Latest entry published Dec. 31st
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Denak Kalamari
Intaki Liberation Front Intaki Prosperity Initiative
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Posted - 2014.01.09 08:04:00 -
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Tron Draconis wrote:Have you seen the Origins Trailer for Eve? because we all do come from Terra as you may call it, a Bridge was found that took humans to New Eden, then it Collapse. my Argument is just. Maybe you should learn your facts first before you comment. ((1. Read the rules, specifically the one about In Character 2. Not everything CCP makes can be considered canon, specifically the Origins trailer 3. Read here.
Before you start calling me misinformed, look up the facts yourself first))
Grahisha of ILF // Writer of Thoughts of a Clone Soldier // Latest entry published Dec. 31st
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Denak Kalamari
Intaki Liberation Front Intaki Prosperity Initiative
830
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Posted - 2014.01.09 08:35:00 -
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Tron Draconis wrote:According to what you depict is out of character. When CCP comes in this forum and tells me themselves, then I believe, not some random person focused on what you believe and what I believe is different. this is what makes us human, just because I don't see what you see, doesn't mean my argument is invalid. So everything I say and write must be in Character based on what other people believe is in character, because I don't see any examples on the rules. so therefor, my argument isn't out of character. ((Alright, let's break this down.
First things first, you'd have to learn the difference between In Character and Out Of Character. When I'm Out Of Character, I put brackets around my writings. This Out Of Character text is different from the person who is writing In Character. What I did with my first reply to you, is where my character dismissed your grand argument in the fact that you mentioned Terra and a lot of things that did not exist in the New Eden universe. Then you insisted that what you knew was true based on a trailer you saw on YouTube, and I then explained to you Out Of Character that the specific trailer you mentioned can't be considered canon.
Now, what you and I believe is irrelevant, because what I believe is backed up by CCP, in several different articles. If you didn't know, the EVElopedia, which covers both EVE Online and DUST 514, is maintained by CCP staff, or volunteer GMs approved by CCP staff. From this we can deduct that what is in the EVElopedia is true, and not just something a collective of people happened to believe in. The first thing to counter your argument is again, this post describing the guidelines of roleplaying in EVE, and by extension DUST 514 because both games are set in the same universe. In the guidelines section it says:
Roleplay wrote:What Earth? - Prime Fiction (the definitive statement from CCP of "what is" in the Eve universe) states that Earth was a long time ago and mostly remembered as a myth if at all. Avoid references to earth, history and the present day; keep the focus on sci-fi RP in the Eve setting. This clearly states that Earth is a myth, and any references to it should be avoided. If you do so, you are considered a lunatic in character. Now you might say that the YouTube video is more recent and overwrites this guideline. Fair point, but let me present you this article, detailing what information is in character and what information isn't. At the very bottom, there is a section about YouTube videos:
YouTube Videos wrote: Links are OK: With few exceptions, no
References are OK: With few exceptions, no
Videos (or "holoreels") are very prone to breaking the fourth wall, and discretion should be used in each case. Some informative "lore" videos are fine (for example, Day of Darkness II), though they may be dismissed as propaganda.
So we conclude that most of the YouTube videos that CCP has made about EVE Online and DUST 514 break the fourth wall heavily, and you should avoid using them in RP. This is a fact, not just something I believe in. The reason this is so because most YouTube videos CCP makes are promotional material, designed to get the attention of viewers and possibly get new customers, not as a canon source of information.
Even if the EVElopedia wasn't maintained by CCP, and in some parts it isn't, from these articles we can conclude that the majority of roleplayers in both EVE and DUST have decided that references to Earth should be avoided, as are using YouTube videos in roleplay. Your beliefs won't change that no matter what.
Now, if you would have realized the difference between In Character and Out of Character, you would have made this debate in DUST 514 Fiction, which discusses the lore from an out of character point of view where using real life examples is fine. If you want to do debates within the Intergalactic Summit, which is In Character, you have to know the difference between what is and what isn't In Character knowledge, and base your debates on that.))
Grahisha of ILF // Writer of Thoughts of a Clone Soldier // Latest entry published Dec. 31st
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Denak Kalamari
Intaki Liberation Front Intaki Prosperity Initiative
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Posted - 2014.01.16 07:34:00 -
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SILENTSAM 69 wrote:My favourite examples of the Gallente ws in the book Templar one. *Spoiler*
Near the end of the book all 4 empires are wanting to converge over a world with Immortal soldiers. The Gallente President, who was a Capsuleer, was in front of the press telling the camera's that he would never order military actions against the Caldari.
At the same time he has communications open to his generals and is using that mind link to order an attack of a Caldari fleet. ((Templar One book does not exist in New Eden, and using the mind link to order the attack is not public knowledge))
Grahisha of ILF // Writer of Thoughts of a Clone Soldier // Latest entry published Jan. 14th
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