DUST Search - Someone from CPP how does the Shield Ext penatly work?

Rei Shepard wrote:

Spectral Clone wrote:

Im guessing this penalty works just like the movement speed penalty on armor plates.

So first module adds a 3% increase to shield depleted delay. The nth module follow this model:

S(n) = 0.5^[((n-1) / 2.22292081) ^2]
n = the nth module added S = stacking effect for this particular module addition

S(1) = 1
S(2) = 0.5^[((2-1) / 2.22292081) ^2] = 0.8691
S(3) = 0.5^[((3-1) / 2.22292081) ^2] = 0.5706
S(4) = 0.5^[((4-1) / 2.22292081) ^2] = 0.2830

Lets say you stack 4 shield extenders on a proto caldari assault, that will mean you get the following penalty to shield depleted delay:
3% * (1 + 0.8691 + 0.5706 + 0.2830) = 3% * 2.7227 = 8.1681%

Analyzing this further for the caldari assault with 4 extenders (8 s shield depleted delay):
8 * (1 + 8.1681/100) = 8.6534 s

You are only penalized 0.65 seconds on the shield depleted delay with 4 shield extenders. This is insignificant. The bonus seems to only be added to 'look good lore-wise' rather than nerfing shield tanking. Cal assaults are still gonna rock at shield tanking.

Well seeing on the Eve side stacking extenders makes a Cruiser as big as a Battleship, you really didnt want your hitboxes getting bigger, this compromise is a small one in regards to complex plates, stacking 3-4 of those makes you as slow as a turtle

The Delay is a none issue as opposed to the way it works in eve

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Seigfried Warheit 67	Posted - 2013.12.05 09:01:00 - [1] - Quote "Added shield extender 3% penalty - stacking slows down the depleted shield recharge delay." How does it work? -3% after the first ext? If you don't want to answer here...do you mind adding it the patch notes pls. I want to get a feel of how its gonna affect me before it comes into effect to see how my fit is gonna look and feel like. Its honestly not a real big hit not seeing why everyone is getting pitch forks and torches out. I use Caldari Assault...sometimes Caldari Logi but that is only adv but nobody counts adv caldari logi ....I dont see the issue or is the hit really affecting another suit that badly? its only gonna add what 1-2 secs of delay? or am I doing something wrong?
Iron Wolf Saber Den of Swords 11051	Posted - 2013.12.05 09:07:00 - [2] - Quote Logic Dictates they'll be like the plates. All modules will have the 3% debuff. I have poked the designer responsible so wait one or two. CPM 0 Secretary Omni-Soldier, Forum Warrior, Annoying Artist \\= Advanced Infantry Armoring =// Unlocked
Seigfried Warheit 67	Posted - 2013.12.05 09:09:00 - [3] - Quote Iron Wolf Saber wrote: Logic Dictates they'll be like the plates. All modules will have the 3% debuff. I have poked the designer responsible so wait one or two. Ty
Spectral Clone Dust2Dust. Top Men. 798	Posted - 2013.12.05 09:09:00 - [4] - Quote Im guessing this penalty works just like the movement speed penalty on armor plates. So first module adds a 3% increase to shield depleted delay. The nth module follow this model: S(n) = 0.5^[((n-1) / 2.22292081) ^2] n = the nth module added S = stacking effect for this particular module addition S(1) = 1 S(2) = 0.5^[((2-1) / 2.22292081) ^2] = 0.8691 S(3) = 0.5^[((3-1) / 2.22292081) ^2] = 0.5706 S(4) = 0.5^[((4-1) / 2.22292081) ^2] = 0.2830 Lets say you stack 4 shield extenders on a proto caldari assault, that will mean you get the following penalty to shield depleted delay: 3% * (1 + 0.8691 + 0.5706 + 0.2830) = 3% * 2.7227 = 8.1681% Analyzing this further for the caldari assault with 4 extenders (8 s shield depleted delay): 8 * (1 + 8.1681/100) = 8.6534 s You are only penalized 0.65 seconds on the shield depleted delay with 4 shield extenders. This is insignificant. The bonus seems to only be added to 'look good lore-wise' rather than nerfing shield tanking. Cal assaults are still gonna rock at shield tanking. KDR > ALL ME > KDR ME > ALL
rpastry Carbon 7 CRONOS. 91	Posted - 2013.12.05 09:11:00 - [5] - Quote stacking eveside means 'after the first module' implying 1st module is zero, and 3% per module after that.
Rei Shepard The Rainbow Effect 1280	Posted - 2013.12.05 10:46:00 - [6] - Quote Spectral Clone wrote: Im guessing this penalty works just like the movement speed penalty on armor plates. So first module adds a 3% increase to shield depleted delay. The nth module follow this model: S(n) = 0.5^[((n-1) / 2.22292081) ^2] n = the nth module added S = stacking effect for this particular module addition S(1) = 1 S(2) = 0.5^[((2-1) / 2.22292081) ^2] = 0.8691 S(3) = 0.5^[((3-1) / 2.22292081) ^2] = 0.5706 S(4) = 0.5^[((4-1) / 2.22292081) ^2] = 0.2830 Lets say you stack 4 shield extenders on a proto caldari assault, that will mean you get the following penalty to shield depleted delay: 3% * (1 + 0.8691 + 0.5706 + 0.2830) = 3% * 2.7227 = 8.1681% Analyzing this further for the caldari assault with 4 extenders (8 s shield depleted delay): 8 * (1 + 8.1681/100) = 8.6534 s You are only penalized 0.65 seconds on the shield depleted delay with 4 shield extenders. This is insignificant. The bonus seems to only be added to 'look good lore-wise' rather than nerfing shield tanking. Cal assaults are still gonna rock at shield tanking. Well seeing on the Eve side stacking extenders makes a Cruiser as big as a Battleship, you really didnt want your hitboxes getting bigger, this compromise is a small one in regards to complex plates, stacking 3-4 of those makes you as slow as a turtle The Delay is a none issue as opposed to the way it works in eve Winner of the EU Squad Cup "Go Go Power Rangers!" "Accuracy"
Spectral Clone Dust2Dust. Top Men. 800	Posted - 2013.12.05 11:43:00 - [7] - Quote Rei Shepard wrote: Spectral Clone wrote: Im guessing this penalty works just like the movement speed penalty on armor plates. So first module adds a 3% increase to shield depleted delay. The nth module follow this model: S(n) = 0.5^[((n-1) / 2.22292081) ^2] n = the nth module added S = stacking effect for this particular module addition S(1) = 1 S(2) = 0.5^[((2-1) / 2.22292081) ^2] = 0.8691 S(3) = 0.5^[((3-1) / 2.22292081) ^2] = 0.5706 S(4) = 0.5^[((4-1) / 2.22292081) ^2] = 0.2830 Lets say you stack 4 shield extenders on a proto caldari assault, that will mean you get the following penalty to shield depleted delay: 3% * (1 + 0.8691 + 0.5706 + 0.2830) = 3% * 2.7227 = 8.1681% Analyzing this further for the caldari assault with 4 extenders (8 s shield depleted delay): 8 * (1 + 8.1681/100) = 8.6534 s You are only penalized 0.65 seconds on the shield depleted delay with 4 shield extenders. This is insignificant. The bonus seems to only be added to 'look good lore-wise' rather than nerfing shield tanking. Cal assaults are still gonna rock at shield tanking. Well seeing on the Eve side stacking extenders makes a Cruiser as big as a Battleship, you really didnt want your hitboxes getting bigger, this compromise is a small one in regards to complex plates, stacking 3-4 of those makes you as slow as a turtle The Delay is a none issue as opposed to the way it works in eve Yup. KDR > ALL ME > KDR ME > ALL
rpastry Carbon 7 CRONOS. 91	Posted - 2013.12.05 11:50:00 - [8] - Quote armour tanking scrambler rifle user talks down more shield nerfs. /surprised factiods; basic plates give 85hp for 10cpu/1pg complex extenders give 66hp for 54cpu/11pg scrambler rifles do 120% dmg vs shield win mode; gallente or amarr suit stack basic plates in lo slots stack damage mods in hi slots use a scrambler tried it on an alt, it works. not a particularly challlenging way to play though.
Spectral Clone Dust2Dust. Top Men. 801	Posted - 2013.12.05 13:40:00 - [9] - Quote rpastry wrote: armour tanking scrambler rifle user talks down more shield nerfs. /surprised factiods; basic plates give 85hp for 10cpu/1pg complex extenders give 66hp for 54cpu/11pg scrambler rifles do 120% dmg vs shield win mode; gallente or amarr suit stack basic plates in lo slots stack damage mods in hi slots use a scrambler tried it on an alt, it works. Also works for caldari ;) KDR > ALL ME > KDR ME > ALL
Cpt Merdock The Exemplars Top Men. 141	Posted - 2013.12.05 17:17:00 - [10] - Quote rpastry wrote: armour tanking scrambler rifle user talks down more shield nerfs. /surprised factiods; basic plates give 85hp for 10cpu/1pg complex extenders give 66hp for 54cpu/11pg scrambler rifles do 120% dmg vs shield win mode; gallente or amarr suit stack basic plates in lo slots stack damage mods in hi slots use a scrambler tried it on an alt, it works. This is kind of the new flavor of the month, everyone is already doing this. Well except assault rifle users, which I think are still better than Scrambler rifles.

Disturbingly Bored The Strontium Asylum 1213	Posted - 2013.12.05 17:25:00 - [11] - Quote rpastry wrote: stacking eveside means 'after the first module' implying 1st module is zero, and 3% per module after that. Just to be clear: no, it doesn't work that way. Stacking works exactly the same in both games. It means you get the full 3% penalty from the first module, and the penalty is reduced below 3% for each module you add after that. ¶Gêƒ__ Gò« Gû¿GûêGûêGûêGòáGëíGëíGëíGû¬ « GÇó GÇó GÇó GÇó GÇó GÇó GÇó GåÆFAT GATGåÉ pÇûGûôGûôGûæGûæGûæGûæGûæGûæGûæGûæpÇùForum Warrior LV 1 (NEXT: 200/1000XP) ¯Gò¦pÇôpÇù
rpastry Carbon 7 CRONOS. 92	Posted - 2013.12.06 11:07:00 - [12] - Quote Disturbingly Bored wrote: rpastry wrote: stacking eveside means 'after the first module' implying 1st module is zero, and 3% per module after that. Just to be clear: no, it doesn't work that way. Stacking works exactly the same in both games. It means you get the full 3% penalty from the first module, and the penalty is reduced below 3% for each module you add after that. um yeh it does; http://www.eve-wiki.net/index.php?title=Stacking_penalty
Fizzer94 L.O.T.I.S. Public Disorder. 1124	Posted - 2013.12.06 11:20:00 - [13] - Quote Its probably a flat 3% per module. That's how the Armor Penalty works. [+ªa¦Ç+¦++-ö-Å94] Level 1 Forum Warrior The Plasma Cannon is not underpowered
Cody Sietz Unkn0wn Killers Renegade Alliance 1724	Posted - 2013.12.06 11:50:00 - [14] - Quote rpastry wrote: armour tanking scrambler rifle user talks down more shield nerfs. /surprised factiods; basic plates give 85hp for 10cpu/1pg complex extenders give 66hp for 54cpu/11pg scrambler rifles do 120% dmg vs shield win mode; gallente or amarr suit stack basic plates in lo slots stack damage mods in hi slots use a scrambler tried it on an alt, it works. relax, you are getting armour piercing rifles in 4 days. Also, don't forget that we are forced to fit reports on our suits. "I do agree with you there though. shudders" -Arkena Wyrnspire


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