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Boot Booter
Omega Elite Mercs INC.
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Posted - 2013.12.04 22:36:00 -
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Tl;dr
Summary: The shield nerf hits minmatar assaults the hardest
So now I am really confused. I have been using the minmatar assault since it came out. It has always been slightly inferior to the other assaults but I've put up with it cause its cool and the sidearm clip size bonus is actually pretty useful.
The proto min assault suit has two low slots. Two.
First came the active scanner which means in order to not get scanned you have to put in two profile Dampeners. OK fine.
Then came the stupid AA which made speed tanking the suit useless.
Now the shield extender stacking penalty in 1.7. Shield extenders were the only way to make this suit useful! It already has the slowest natural shield regulator and recharge. Combine that with the lowest potential eHP. Wtf am I supposed to do!? All that currently matters is HP and now your telling me I can't even stack shields efficiently?
TTK is so low that being a hit and run player doesn't work.. It's more like hit then die. So in the last couple of updates you've buffed armor (I agree it needed that), effectively shortened TTK, then nerfed shields. ALL OF THESE MAKE THE MINMATAR WORSE! More so than any other suit! Throw us a ******* bone! |
Knight Soiaire
BurgezzE.T.F Public Disorder.
3509
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Posted - 2013.12.04 22:37:00 -
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Forum Prison Escapee
Yes, 1.7 is going to suck. Proto Min Logi here I come!
T_T
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Xocoyol Zaraoul
Superior Genetics
1577
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Posted - 2013.12.04 22:37:00 -
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Put two rechargers in low slots and problem solved, it works for me.
The new nerf only effects depleted recharge not normal damaged recharge, and I'm usually dead anyways if my shields are depleted as, like most minnies, I don't use armor!
Closed Beta Vet
Reading the forums detracts from overall enjoyment of the game
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Cyrius Li-Moody
The New Age Outlaws WINMATAR.
1923
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Posted - 2013.12.04 22:41:00 -
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Xocoyol Zaraoul wrote:Put two rechargers in low slots and problem solved, it works for me.
The new nerf only effects depleted recharge not normal damaged recharge, and I'm usually dead anyways if my shields are depleted as, like most minnies, I don't use armor!
do you have nothing in your high slots equipment or grenade??
Youtuber. Your friendly neighborhood whiskey-fueled merc.
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Boot Booter
Omega Elite Mercs INC.
185
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Posted - 2013.12.04 22:45:00 -
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That's the thing, in order to use the five high slots and still have decent weapons is to use a CPU boost. This leaves one low slot! Which now it seems I have to use for a regulator. That is if I don't wanna go sit in a hole for a minute waiting for my shields to return. This is terrible. |
Jadd Hatchen
Psygod9 D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E
137
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Posted - 2013.12.04 22:47:00 -
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Boot Booter wrote:Tl;dr
Summary: The shield nerf hits minmatar assaults the hardest
So now I am really confused. I have been using the minmatar assault since it came out. It has always been slightly inferior to the other assaults but I've put up with it cause its cool and the sidearm clip size bonus is actually pretty useful.
The proto min assault suit has two low slots. Two.
First came the active scanner which means in order to not get scanned you have to put in two profile Dampeners. OK fine.
Then came the stupid AA which made speed tanking the suit useless.
Now the shield extender stacking penalty in 1.7. Shield extenders were the only way to make this suit useful! It already has the slowest natural shield regulator and recharge. Combine that with the lowest potential eHP. Wtf am I supposed to do!? All that currently matters is HP and now your telling me I can't even stack shields efficiently?
TTK is so low that being a hit and run player doesn't work.. It's more like hit then die. So in the last couple of updates you've buffed armor (I agree it needed that), effectively shortened TTK, then nerfed shields. ALL OF THESE MAKE THE MINMATAR WORSE! More so than any other suit! Throw us a ******* bone!
swap the two dampeners for armor plates.... hire logi to follow you with armor rep tool and nanite injector... ;) |
Sinboto Simmons
SVER True Blood Public Disorder.
2744
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Posted - 2013.12.04 22:47:00 -
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Minmatar assault?
Ha try Minmatar scout.
Sinboto - The True Blood Minja
Forum Warrior level 2
STB-Infantry (Demolition)
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Boot Booter
Omega Elite Mercs INC.
186
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Posted - 2013.12.04 22:51:00 -
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This suit isn't built for armor.. It just isn't. It'd be like stacking shields on a gallente. It's pointless. Either you have medium armor and no repair or you have low armor and low repair. Both of these are not great. |
Boot Booter
Omega Elite Mercs INC.
186
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Posted - 2013.12.04 22:55:00 -
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Sinboto Simmons wrote:Minmatar assault?
Ha try Minmatar scout.
Well all the scouts are broken and everybody knows it. They'll get their buff soon.
It's a fcking assault suit. How am I supposed to keep up with the other assaults that have way more HP, better rechargability, and more flexibility in terms of layouts? |
ReGnYuM
1427
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Posted - 2013.12.04 22:58:00 -
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The Min Assault over the months has steadily become the laughing stock of the Assault class.
Ironically, the Caldari Assault is a better armour tanker then the Min frame... WTF
If you never heard of ReGnYuM, you're neither Good or Relevant in Dust 514.
KDR>ALL
Sig Move: Figure 8 of Death
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KING CHECKMATE
AMARR IMPERIAL CRUSADERS
2719
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Posted - 2013.12.04 22:58:00 -
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Boot Booter wrote:Tl;dr
Summary: The shield nerf hits minmatar assaults the hardest
So now I am really confused. I have been using the minmatar assault since it came out. It has always been slightly inferior to the other assaults but I've put up with it cause its cool and the sidearm clip size bonus is actually pretty useful.
The proto min assault suit has two low slots. Two.
First came the active scanner which means in order to not get scanned you have to put in two profile Dampeners. OK fine.
Then came the stupid AA which made speed tanking the suit useless.
Now the shield extender stacking penalty in 1.7. Shield extenders were the only way to make this suit useful! It already has the slowest natural shield regulator and recharge. Combine that with the lowest potential eHP. Wtf am I supposed to do!? All that currently matters is HP and now your telling me I can't even stack shields efficiently?
TTK is so low that being a hit and run player doesn't work.. It's more like hit then die. So in the last couple of updates you've buffed armor (I agree it needed that), effectively shortened TTK, then nerfed shields. ALL OF THESE MAKE THE MINMATAR WORSE! More so than any other suit! Throw us a ******* bone!
LOL how about the MK.0 SCOUT? I use it with 3Cx Shield extenders....
USED it*
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Sinboto Simmons
SVER True Blood Public Disorder.
2745
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Posted - 2013.12.04 22:58:00 -
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Boot Booter wrote:Sinboto Simmons wrote:Minmatar assault?
Ha try Minmatar scout. Well all the scouts are broken and everybody knows it. They'll get their buff soon. It's a fcking assault suit. How am I supposed to keep up with the other assaults that have way more HP, better rechargability, and more flexibility in terms of layouts? I refer to the post made by Knight Soiaire.
Welcome to hardmode: This scout welcomes you.
Sinboto - The True Blood Minja
Forum Warrior level 2
STB-Infantry (Demolition)
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Shutter Fly
Molon Labe. RISE of LEGION
129
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Posted - 2013.12.04 22:59:00 -
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Cyrius Li-Moody wrote:Xocoyol Zaraoul wrote:Put two rechargers in low slots and problem solved, it works for me.
The new nerf only effects depleted recharge not normal damaged recharge, and I'm usually dead anyways if my shields are depleted as, like most minnies, I don't use armor! do you have nothing in your high slots equipment or grenade?? There's no way you could get a decent fit with two complex regulators in your low slots. That's about 70 CPU, then you have to fit at least 4 Complex Shield Extenders, which is about 210 CPU and 44 PG, then to make use of the Regulators you need a Recharger/Energizer, another 40-60 CPU.
You now cannot fit a prototype weapon, grenades, or equipment. This fit has ~470 HP shields and ~160 HP armor, barely over 600 eHP. It has 5.30 movement and 7.79 sprint, not very impressive. Recharge Delay is at about 3.3 and Depleted at about 5.5, not bad, but Recharge rate is <35 HP, not good. This is all BEFORE the Shield extender penalty, which we don't have exact numbers on. |
Cyrius Li-Moody
The New Age Outlaws WINMATAR.
1923
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Posted - 2013.12.04 23:00:00 -
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ReGnYuM wrote:The Min Assault over the months has steadily become the laughing stock of the Assault class.
Ironically, the Caldari Assault is a better armour tanker then the Min frame... WTF
Is that why when I would run into you I would see you in your Caldari rather than your Minnie?
Youtuber. Your friendly neighborhood whiskey-fueled merc.
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Cat Merc
Ahrendee Mercenaries EoN.
4341
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Posted - 2013.12.04 23:01:00 -
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You're supposed to die inside them. Duct tape doesn't protect users well
Shield regeneration bonus for Gallente Assault is about as useful as Sharpshooter for Nova Knives.
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Cat Merc
Ahrendee Mercenaries EoN.
4341
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Posted - 2013.12.04 23:03:00 -
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Seriously though, they need some love. Give them higher base recharge rate than Caldari, and make their shield delay the same as Caldari rather than higher.
Shield regeneration bonus for Gallente Assault is about as useful as Sharpshooter for Nova Knives.
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ratamaq doc
Edge Regiment
193
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Posted - 2013.12.04 23:06:00 -
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There has only been one time in this game I have feared mini assaults. Bet you guys miss the Flaylock.
Seriously though, that suite needed a third low slot before this, or built in armor rep. I feel for them. |
Cyrius Li-Moody
The New Age Outlaws WINMATAR.
1924
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Posted - 2013.12.04 23:10:00 -
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ratamaq doc wrote:There has only been one time in this game I have feared mini assaults. Bet you guys miss the Flaylock.
Seriously though, that suite needed a third low slot before this, or built in armor rep. I feel for them.
we do have a built in armor rep... 1 hp/s.
Definitely worth that extremely low hp we've got.
Youtuber. Your friendly neighborhood whiskey-fueled merc.
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Boot Booter
Omega Elite Mercs INC.
188
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Posted - 2013.12.04 23:14:00 -
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Cyrius Li-Moody wrote:ratamaq doc wrote:There has only been one time in this game I have feared mini assaults. Bet you guys miss the Flaylock.
Seriously though, that suite needed a third low slot before this, or built in armor rep. I feel for them. we do have a built in armor rep... 1 hp/s. Definitely worth that extremely low hp we've got.
Haha right? Great thanks ccp for half a basic armor rep. And I never even used the flaylock when it was good. I had too much pride to use an obviously OP weapon and act like I was good.
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Shutter Fly
Molon Labe. RISE of LEGION
129
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Posted - 2013.12.04 23:19:00 -
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Boot Booter wrote:Cyrius Li-Moody wrote:ratamaq doc wrote:There has only been one time in this game I have feared mini assaults. Bet you guys miss the Flaylock.
Seriously though, that suite needed a third low slot before this, or built in armor rep. I feel for them. we do have a built in armor rep... 1 hp/s. Definitely worth that extremely low hp we've got. Haha right? Great thanks ccp for half a basic armor rep. And I never even used the flaylock when it was good. I had too much pride to use an obviously OP weapon and act like I was good. I felt dirty using that Flaylock, I skilled into it thinking it might prove to be a decent backup for my shotgun, ended up needing to run dual Cores just to stay competitive. It may have been crazy OP, but it was all the Min Assault had. |
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Cosgar
ParagonX
8325
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Posted - 2013.12.04 23:21:00 -
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Sinboto Simmons wrote:Minmatar assault?
Ha try Minmatar scout. Minmatar logi isn't that much better now. I had to use a CPU enhancer just to run ADV/PRO equipment with ~500 total HP. I thought only Bethesda hated black people...
I tried to put a level into Amarr Commando once, but got a server notification saying "Why?"
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Boot Booter
Omega Elite Mercs INC.
191
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Posted - 2013.12.04 23:28:00 -
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Nah the min logi is way better off. You can Omni tank the **** out of it. The min assault has literally zero advantages. Lowest HP, lowest rechargability, and speed means nothing. It's suffering from the same issues which plaque scouts.
Remove AA. Lower weapon damage. Let me be able to make use of my minisculy increased speed. |
Keri Starlight
0uter.Heaven Proficiency V.
1740
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Posted - 2013.12.04 23:30:00 -
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How to use a Minmatar suit now?
I'll give you a hint: your toilet.
CCP loves to **** months of gameplay to grind precious SP.
EDIT: The Minmatar Logi is still great. Assault and Scouts are doomed.
"I load my gun with love instead of bullets"
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supersayinb
The Solecism of Limitation
90
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Posted - 2013.12.04 23:40:00 -
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I guess us minnie assault guys are OP? All 12 of us......... |
Johnny Guilt
Algintal Core
372
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Posted - 2013.12.04 23:40:00 -
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it was always inferior to the other assault suits,being derived from a logi suit at it's core you'd think it would be better
A strange game.
The only winning move is
not to play.
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Boot Booter
Omega Elite Mercs INC.
195
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Posted - 2013.12.04 23:45:00 -
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supersayinb wrote:I guess us minnie assault guys are OP? All 12 of us.........
I think I've come across three or four players wearing a pro min assault suit and actually making it work. Never seen in PC though. Well besides me. |
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