DUST Search - i want a respec, NOW

Grease Spillett wrote:

Arkena Wyrnspire wrote:

The logi (especially the Gallogi) is the problem here, not shields.

I disagree. I think assault class bonuses are all garbage. They should have inherent damage bonuses to weapons.

Logi's should be tough but not heavy tough. For the most part they are. No matter how you go about a future logi nerf your gonna have to smash the suit to useless.

How is that you ask? Logi's have equipment. Which means?

They have options. Give a smart player options and he will pick the option most likely to win.

What kind of player would like more options? A smart player. Who's gonna win in a gun fight a scout or a heavy? Probably the one who considered where they are or what they are doing. You know a thoughtful strategic player.

There's a reason we came up with the term FOTM. Smart players keep their eyes out on what's gonna be the best route in the next build. The logi's that are killing you today will be the assaults, scouts, or heavies that are killing you tomorrow.

They already said they are going to nerf my suit of choice which is fine I am 3 weeks away from being to proto out a suit of my choosing that is going to be the best suit in the game.

Guys you can nerf these players to the ground and they will always beat you. I can't help it I know what I am doing.

I just wish that we could figure out a way to nerf stupid and not gear. Not saying your stupid Arkena. Just saying what you said is stupid. Wanna fight? Twisted

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ALT2 acc The dyst0pian Corporation Zero-Day 1	Posted - 2013.12.04 19:28:00 - [1] - Quote this is jerrmy12 "soon" Added shield extender penalty - stacking slows down the depleted shield recharge delay." now my already piece of ** waste of sp ADV cal assault that gets 4 shotted will go from 3.7>5 second recharge delay, im *** done with this game, or give me sp to go into galogi and get 700+ armor with 18+70 hp/s repair rate. HUGE ***** mistake making caldari EVEN SHITTIER
Grease Spillett Ancient Exiles. Renegade Alliance 137	Posted - 2013.12.04 19:30:00 - [2] - Quote http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0fcCX3sIDaw Next time you see me, bring more friends. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gBM5hM5LdDw
SHROOM Headshot Free Association Industries 20	Posted - 2013.12.04 19:30:00 - [3] - Quote CYA
Justice Prevails 128	Posted - 2013.12.04 19:37:00 - [4] - Quote Glad I never got my proto cal assallt suit. Sometimes it pays to procrastinate:-) Great job, team. Head back to the MCC for debriefing and cocktails.
RKKR The Southern Legion The Umbra Combine 499	Posted - 2013.12.04 19:38:00 - [5] - Quote You didn't say PLEASE!
DUST Fiend OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 8326	Posted - 2013.12.04 19:39:00 - [6] - Quote RKKR wrote: You didn't say PLEASE! Neither did CCP when they knocked on his back door Win ISK / Vids / O7
General John Ripper Pradox One Proficiency V. 5649	Posted - 2013.12.04 19:39:00 - [7] - Quote waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa Yes, It was me.
Arkena Wyrnspire Turalyon 514 Turalyon Alliance 5769	Posted - 2013.12.04 19:40:00 - [8] - Quote The logi (especially the Gallogi) is the problem here, not shields. Level 5 Forum Warrior Lenin of the glorious armoured revolution Supporter of CCP raRaRa.
Johnny Guilt Algintal Core 370	Posted - 2013.12.04 19:41:00 - [9] - Quote It's that time of the month again isnt it? A strange game. The only winning move is not to play.
GET ATMESON Dem Durrty Boyz Renegade Alliance 183	Posted - 2013.12.04 19:44:00 - [10] - Quote A shield tanker crying. Ill drink your tears. This day was going to happen. Now put on an energizer and stop with the QQ. IF you dont like armor builds the MD and Core's are for you!! Heavys only have 2 heavy guns. Please dont turn the NERF bat on them. Give heavys more suits or guns please :D

Cat Merc Ahrendee Mercenaries EoN. 4314	Posted - 2013.12.04 19:44:00 - [11] - Quote Shield tanker tears are GLORIOUS. Shield regeneration bonus for Gallente Assault is about as useful as Sharpshooter for Nova Knives.
calisk galern BurgezzE.T.F Public Disorder. 1423	Posted - 2013.12.04 19:45:00 - [12] - Quote i'm cal assault, and gal logi. life is good =)
KalOfTheRathi Nec Tributis 920	Posted - 2013.12.04 19:47:00 - [13] - Quote Are you kicking your heels? How many buckets do your QQ fit in? Less than five then check back with us later. Five is the minimum number for this to be funny enough to follow. Pound your little tiny fists in frustration on ... a pillow. Yeah, that would be good. Wouldn't want them injured. Or the pillow for that matter. Welcome to DUST ... which is in New Eden. HTFU is the official motto of CCP/Mothership. So get used to it.
ALT2 acc The dyst0pian Corporation Zero-Day 1	Posted - 2013.12.04 19:48:00 - [14] - Quote GET ATMESON wrote: A shield tanker crying. Ill drink your tears. This day was going to happen. Now put on an energizer and stop with the QQ. IF you dont like armor builds the MD and Core's are for you!! what is shield "tanking"? 400 hitpoints that go down by 3 shots of a Scr or 8 shots from an ar, and a 3.6 second recharge delay, how can you regen? ADV energiser doesn't do **** when the fotm is AR and ScR
Reav Hannari Red Rock Outriders 2073	Posted - 2013.12.04 19:48:00 - [15] - Quote I'll be laughing if we find out the delay is 5% per complex extender. You guys are crying without even knowing what the penalty is. // Matari Warrior // Logistics / Scout / Dropship Crash Tester // @ReesNoturana
Aikuchi Tomaru Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore 1139	Posted - 2013.12.04 19:49:00 - [16] - Quote ALT2 acc wrote: this is jerrmy12 "soon" Added shield extender penalty - stacking slows down the depleted shield recharge delay." now my already piece of ** waste of sp ADV cal assault that gets 4 shotted will go from 3.7>5 second recharge delay, im *** done with this game, or give me sp to go into galogi and get 700+ armor with 18+70 hp/s repair rate. HUGE *** mistake making caldari EVEN SHITTIER Oh seriously? Just ***** deal with it and get yourself an armor suit.
Luna Angelo We Who Walk Alone 287	Posted - 2013.12.04 19:50:00 - [17] - Quote I want one, too, for different reasons. I've been shouting that the ENTIRE COMMUNITY needs a respec, not just vehicle users. It will be good for the game. That said, I'm still getting over 2Mil SP's back, so I'm not biased. Names of playstyles
AfroSunshineY Consequence R 0 N 1 N 198	Posted - 2013.12.04 19:50:00 - [18] - Quote ALT2 acc wrote: this is jerrmy12 "soon" Added shield extender penalty - stacking slows down the depleted shield recharge delay." now my already piece of ** waste of sp ADV cal assault that gets 4 shotted will go from 3.7>5 second recharge delay, im *** done with this game, or give me sp to go into galogi and get 700+ armor with 18+70 hp/s repair rate. HUGE ***** mistake making caldari EVEN SHITTIER ^^^^ Complains about an advanced medium frame with scouts in the room.
Grease Spillett Ancient Exiles. Renegade Alliance 143	Posted - 2013.12.04 19:57:00 - [19] - Quote Arkena Wyrnspire wrote: The logi (especially the Gallogi) is the problem here, not shields. I disagree. I think assault class bonuses are all garbage. They should have inherent damage bonuses to weapons. Logi's should be tough but not heavy tough. For the most part they are. No matter how you go about a future logi nerf your gonna have to smash the suit to useless. How is that you ask? Logi's have equipment. Which means? They have options. Give a smart player options and he will pick the option most likely to win. What kind of player would like more options? A smart player. Who's gonna win in a gun fight a scout or a heavy? Probably the one who considered where they are or what they are doing. You know a thoughtful strategic player. There's a reason we came up with the term FOTM. Smart players keep their eyes out on what's gonna be the best route in the next build. The logi's that are killing you today will be the assaults, scouts, or heavies that are killing you tomorrow. They already said they are going to nerf my suit of choice which is fine I am 3 weeks away from being to proto out a suit of my choosing that is going to be the best suit in the game. Guys you can nerf these players to the ground and they will always beat you. I can't help it I know what I am doing. I just wish that we could figure out a way to nerf stupid and not gear. Not saying your stupid Arkena. Just saying what you said is stupid. Wanna fight? Next time you see me, bring more friends. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gBM5hM5LdDw
Darken-Sol BIG BAD W0LVES 715	Posted - 2013.12.04 20:02:00 - [20] - Quote DUST Fiend wrote: RKKR wrote: You didn't say PLEASE! Neither did CCP when they knocked on his back door ...and gently eased in.

ALT2 acc The dyst0pian Corporation Zero-Day 3	Posted - 2013.12.04 20:04:00 - [21] - Quote Aikuchi Tomaru wrote: ALT2 acc wrote: this is jerrmy12 "soon" Added shield extender penalty - stacking slows down the depleted shield recharge delay." now my already piece of ** waste of sp ADV cal assault that gets 4 shotted will go from 3.7>5 second recharge delay, im *** done with this game, or give me sp to go into galogi and get 700+ armor with 18+70 hp/s repair rate. HUGE *** mistake making caldari EVEN SHITTIER Oh seriously? Just ***** deal with it and get yourself an armor suit. i dont want to FOTM, and even my adv sentinel with a hmg is better
BMSTUBBY KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION 406	Posted - 2013.12.04 20:04:00 - [22] - Quote Darken-Sol wrote: DUST Fiend wrote: RKKR wrote: You didn't say PLEASE! Neither did CCP when they knocked on his back door ...and gently eased in. Just the tip huh? Dusters - MMO WhenGäó ? CCP - MMO SoonGäó .
Arkena Wyrnspire Turalyon 514 Turalyon Alliance 5772	Posted - 2013.12.04 20:30:00 - [23] - Quote Grease Spillett wrote: Arkena Wyrnspire wrote: The logi (especially the Gallogi) is the problem here, not shields. I disagree. I think assault class bonuses are all garbage. They should have inherent damage bonuses to weapons. Logi's should be tough but not heavy tough. For the most part they are. No matter how you go about a future logi nerf your gonna have to smash the suit to useless. How is that you ask? Logi's have equipment. Which means? They have options. Give a smart player options and he will pick the option most likely to win. What kind of player would like more options? A smart player. Who's gonna win in a gun fight a scout or a heavy? Probably the one who considered where they are or what they are doing. You know a thoughtful strategic player. There's a reason we came up with the term FOTM. Smart players keep their eyes out on what's gonna be the best route in the next build. The logi's that are killing you today will be the assaults, scouts, or heavies that are killing you tomorrow. They already said they are going to nerf my suit of choice which is fine I am 3 weeks away from being to proto out a suit of my choosing that is going to be the best suit in the game. Guys you can nerf these players to the ground and they will always beat you. I can't help it I know what I am doing. I just wish that we could figure out a way to nerf stupid and not gear. Not saying your stupid Arkena. Just saying what you said is stupid. Wanna fight? Fight? Forum waaaarr! Yes, the assault bonuses are garbage - I certainly agree. However, the logistics not only have decent bonuses and equipment, they also have more base slots and fitting room. The fitting room is necessary for the equipment - but it can be excessive. Compare, for example, a proto Gallente Logistics to a proto Gallente Assault. Much of the tears on the forums refer to '800+ armour triage hive triple damage modded' monsters. Here are a couple of popular Gallogi fits: Duvolle Assault Rifle Core Locus Grenade Complex Damage Modifier x3 Enhanced Armour Plates x4 Basic Armour Plates Wiyrkomi Triage Nanohive Allotek Nanohive Duvolle Quantum Active Scanner 800 armour, native 5 HP/s regen, scanner, ammo hives, lots of rep hives (which can rep at140/80/70/40 HP/s depending on setup) triple damage modded Duvolle and core locus. Duvolle Assault Rifle Core Locus Grenade Complex Damage Modifier x3 Enhanced Armour Plates x3 Complex Armour Repairer x2 Equipment to choice. Almost 600 armour, native 17.5 HP/s regen, plenty of equipment choices, triple damage modded Duvolle and core locus. Compare that to the Gallente assault. Any fit you like. I guarantee the Gallogi will beat it. Even strong bonuses for the assault class would not change this. Now, as to the idea of options meaning smart players will win... Yes. Options do mean that smart players will win. That versatility allowed by the equipment slots is incredibly powerful in the hands of an intelligent and competent player - and that's why there shouldn't be additionally advantages to the suit with the options. I am not advocating 'nerfing smart players'. What I am suggesting is that the suit which has the options which smart players will use (as you noted) is also currently inherently superior and that should not be the case. Assault bonuses are not sufficient to change that - for those equipment slots the logistics pays a sidearm slot, which is rarely of consequence with weapons like the plasma rifle. If two smart players met in head on combat, one using an assault and one using a logistics, the logistics would win. Proper bonuses for the assault would not change that. That doesn't change when you consider the additional tactical versatility a logistics suit has due to the equipment slots. My point is not 'waaah clever ppl r beating me plz nerf'. Naturally, intelligent players will beat morons. My point is that in the vast majority of situations the logistics suit overshadows the assault suit, even at assaulting, when both are used by equally skilled players. Oh, and if only we could nerf stupid. Level 5 Forum Warrior Lenin of the glorious armoured revolution Supporter of CCP raRaRa.


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