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Loki Patera xCosmic Voidx Partners of Industrial Service and Salvage 85	Posted - 2013.12.04 12:46:00 - [1] - Quote Firstly apologies if this has been discussed to the nth degree already. Just saw someone stating that they're getting an entire BPO fit ready for the new FW. I'll get flamed for this but this isn't fair on the people that don't have BPOs - fair enough, you bought them and supported the financing of the game, but going forward it's going to wreck the player market just as some CCP bods previously implied at Eve Vegas I think. What's CCP's current stance on BPOs? People that have them already can keep them? I'll stick my head above the parapet and say get rid of them altogether for the greater good of Dust. People will be using the BPOs to farm awesome FW Loyalty gear breaking a future player market. Cosmic Void for life yo
daishi mk03 BLACK-GUARD Die Fremdenlegion 471	Posted - 2013.12.04 12:52:00 - [2] - Quote We paid for BPOs and you want them removed, because you don't have any? Sorry bro. I will run with STD BPOs the whole day, because I have them. To know the true path, but yet, to never follow it. That is possibly the gravest sin. The Scriptures,Book of Missions
BMSTUBBY 379	Posted - 2013.12.04 12:55:00 - [3] - Quote daishi mk03 wrote: We paid for BPOs and you want them removed, because you don't have any? Sorry bro. I will run with STD BPOs the whole day, because I have them. I have four FW BPO suits ready to go. Dusters - MMO WhenGäó ? CCP - MMO SoonGäó .
Loki Patera xCosmic Voidx Partners of Industrial Service and Salvage 85	Posted - 2013.12.04 12:55:00 - [4] - Quote Yeah I acknowledged that fair enough you bought them - I ain't bitter at all - just worried about how it will work with a player market. Cosmic Void for life yo
daishi mk03 BLACK-GUARD Die Fremdenlegion 471	Posted - 2013.12.04 12:57:00 - [5] - Quote BMSTUBBY wrote: daishi mk03 wrote: We paid for BPOs and you want them removed, because you don't have any? Sorry bro. I will run with STD BPOs the whole day, because I have them. I have four FW BPO suits ready to go. That's the spirit! To know the true path, but yet, to never follow it. That is possibly the gravest sin. The Scriptures,Book of Missions
Kasote Denzara A Vulture 1125	Posted - 2013.12.04 12:58:00 - [6] - Quote No corp BPO stomps. No alliance BPO stomps. BPOs are too weak to do so. All they are is a way to save a bit of pocket change. Personally, I use them because a lot of my fits use the same things and I'm laaaaazy. SWEET MOTHER OF TERESA ON THE HOOD OF A MERCEDES BENZ, YOU SOUND LIKE A MAJESTIC EAGLE! DO YOU SING?!
rpastry Carbon 7 CRONOS. 91	Posted - 2013.12.04 12:59:00 - [7] - Quote BPOs are all militia or basic gear. I think my best BPO suit saves me about 7000k isk. The advantage of a BPO suit is pretty minimal vs a Starter Kit. For those with no money who want to be level with MR BPO. one pub match should buy you ~30 7000isk suits to level the playing field.
Leovarian L Lavitz NECROM0NGERS Covert Intervention 825	Posted - 2013.12.04 13:00:00 - [8] - Quote Loki Patera wrote: Firstly apologies if this has been discussed to the nth degree already. Just saw someone stating that they're getting an entire BPO fit ready for the new FW. I'll get flamed for this but this isn't fair on the people that don't have BPOs - fair enough, you bought them and supported the financing of the game, but going forward it's going to wreck the player market just as some CCP bods previously implied at Eve Vegas I think. What's CCP's current stance on BPOs? People that have them already can keep them? I'll stick my head above the parapet and say get rid of them altogether for the greater good of Dust. People will be using the BPOs to farm awesome FW Loyalty gear breaking a future player market. Standard bpo fit vrs Proto logies. I doubt the impact is going to be as great as you believe Omni-Soldier Few are my equal in one of these specialties, and there are none who can compare in all of them.
The dark cloud The Rainbow Effect 1923	Posted - 2013.12.04 13:04:00 - [9] - Quote I have: - all militia BPOs (cause they where 30 AUR back then each) - all skinweave suits (assault, logi, scout and heavy closed beta rewards) - Exile AR (no i didnt bought it, it was a closed beta reward) - stuff from the merc pack like the toxin SMG and the 3 MAG suits and the dragonfly suit. I can make fits for all purpose with STD-MLT BPO's and im gonna use them day and night in FW. If you use proto stuff you will bur out really quick cause you aint get any ISK at all. I shall show you a world, a world which you cant imagine, a world full off butthurt n00bs at the other end of my gun
BMSTUBBY 379	Posted - 2013.12.04 13:04:00 - [10] - Quote Loki Patera wrote: Yeah I acknowledged that fair enough you bought them - I ain't bitter at all - just worried about how it will work with a player market. What player market? You mean the one that is coming Soon Gäó, LOL. Dusters - MMO WhenGäó ? CCP - MMO SoonGäó .

daishi mk03 BLACK-GUARD Die Fremdenlegion 472	Posted - 2013.12.04 13:04:00 - [11] - Quote The dark cloud wrote: I have: - all militia BPOs (cause they where 30 AUR back then each) - all skinweave suits (assault, logi, scout and heavy closed beta rewards) - Exile AR (no i didnt bought it, it was a closed beta reward) - stuff from the merc pack like the toxin SMG and the 3 MAG suits and the dragonfly suit. I can make fits for all purpose with STD-MLT BPO's and im gonna use them day and night in FW. If you use proto stuff you will bur out really quick cause you aint get any ISK at all. quoted for truth To know the true path, but yet, to never follow it. That is possibly the gravest sin. The Scriptures,Book of Missions
Takahiro Kashuken Red Star. EoN. 1838	Posted - 2013.12.04 13:06:00 - [12] - Quote BPO are awesome Sometimes i whack on a few good mods but frankly i dont need to since TTK is so so low i can beast with BPO gear
BMSTUBBY 379	Posted - 2013.12.04 13:07:00 - [13] - Quote The dark cloud wrote: I have: - all militia BPOs (cause they where 30 AUR back then each) - all skinweave suits (assault, logi, scout and heavy closed beta rewards) - Exile AR (no i didnt bought it, it was a closed beta reward) - stuff from the merc pack like the toxin SMG and the 3 MAG suits and the dragonfly suit. I can make fits for all purpose with STD-MLT BPO's and im gonna use them day and night in FW. If you use proto stuff you will burn out really quick cause you aint get any ISK at all. Im planning to run FW with my corp and q-sync 2-3 squad to ensure victory. Ohhhh, I forgot about my jelly suits. Yeah I have what this guy has, now I just have to go in and make some more FW suits. My SEVR Logi is my most Fav. BPO suit though. Dusters - MMO WhenGäó ? CCP - MMO SoonGäó .
daishi mk03 BLACK-GUARD Die Fremdenlegion 474	Posted - 2013.12.04 13:12:00 - [14] - Quote Templar or Dragonfly Suite Templar ScR or Toxin AR Shield Ext, Armor Plates, Toxin SMG and Locus Grenade BPO ! I'm ready for your FW. To know the true path, but yet, to never follow it. That is possibly the gravest sin. The Scriptures,Book of Missions
Slag Emberforge Immortal Retribution 188	Posted - 2013.12.04 13:23:00 - [15] - Quote I wish I had more BPOs, I have a heavy suit, damage modifier, shield recharger, armor repairer, assault rifle and sub. My cheapest suit costs me 450 isk per death. ( grenades ) My next cheapest cost me that plus a GEK/M82/DAU... A bad pub match easily buys me a dozen of these, a good match buys me closer to three dozen.
steadyhand amarr steadyhands independent mercenarys 2006	Posted - 2013.12.04 13:31:00 - [16] - Quote Oh god im going to be one shoting a lot of people in FW this is gunna be great :-) bpos in pub matches is also fine tbh as it has 0 impact "i dont care about you or your goals, just show me the dam isk" winner of EU squad cup GOGO power rangers
calisk galern BurgezzE.T.F Public Disorder. 1411	Posted - 2013.12.04 13:37:00 - [17] - Quote honestly i wouldn't mind free fits and bpos not being allowed in FW. this would at the very least cause minor loses to team killers.
Justicar Karnellia Ikomari-Onu Enforcement Caldari State 187	Posted - 2013.12.04 13:48:00 - [18] - Quote Barring a few exceptions, most BPO's are militia or standard gear so they can't unbalance FW in any way. You could farm FW for LP all day in starter fits and this would fall under the same complaint? Considering most people from now on who will fight in LP will be reasonably organised, and will probably be playing to win - because of the extra LP bonus, I doubt that they will be wearing anything below advanced gear. I have quite a few BPO's myself, but I use so few of them - maybe my submachinegun is the only BPO I have left in my active fits because the rest of the time I'm running advanced gear. I can run advanced gear all day and make money, so this will be the same thing for LP. I think those that feel they will somehow "farm" LP in their BPO suits will just end up dying a lot and looking at their poor LP tally. They will save money sure, but their time/LP ratio will be very poor.
daishi mk03 BLACK-GUARD Die Fremdenlegion 475	Posted - 2013.12.04 13:53:00 - [19] - Quote With all those core skills lvl 5 and the actual TTK BPO fits are more than good ... especially STD BPOs To know the true path, but yet, to never follow it. That is possibly the gravest sin. The Scriptures,Book of Missions
Loki Patera xCosmic Voidx Partners of Industrial Service and Salvage 85	Posted - 2013.12.04 13:53:00 - [20] - Quote Justicar Karnellia wrote: Barring a few exceptions, most BPO's are militia or standard gear so they can't unbalance FW in any way. You could farm FW for LP all day in starter fits and this would fall under the same complaint? Considering most people from now on who will fight in LP will be reasonably organised, and will probably be playing to win - because of the extra LP bonus, I doubt that they will be wearing anything below advanced gear. I have quite a few BPO's myself, but I use so few of them - maybe my submachinegun is the only BPO I have left in my active fits because the rest of the time I'm running advanced gear. I can run advanced gear all day and make money, so this will be the same thing for LP. I think those that feel they will somehow "farm" LP in their BPO suits will just end up dying a lot and looking at their poor LP tally. They will save money sure, but their time/LP ratio will be very poor. Ok - thanks for clearing this up - my fears are somewhat assuaged. I didn't realise BPOs weren't really advanced level, so it will probably be tough to farm using them. Cosmic Void for life yo

D34NOS MAZDA WASTELAND JUNK REMOVAL Top Men. 257	Posted - 2013.12.04 13:58:00 - [21] - Quote daishi mk03 wrote: BMSTUBBY wrote: daishi mk03 wrote: We paid for BPOs and you want them removed, because you don't have any? Sorry bro. I will run with STD BPOs the whole day, because I have them. I have four FW BPO suits ready to go. That's the spirit! I also have FW BPO suits ready to go. And if CCP wants to remove my BPO's then they can give me a refund for the real world cash that I used to buy them. Eg merc packs & Elite Packs.
chase rowland The Enclave Syndicate Dark Taboo 85	Posted - 2013.12.04 14:05:00 - [22] - Quote Loki Patera wrote: Firstly apologies if this has been discussed to the nth degree already. Just saw someone stating that they're getting an entire BPO fit ready for the new FW. I'll get flamed for this but this isn't fair on the people that don't have BPOs - fair enough, you bought them and supported the financing of the game, but going forward it's going to wreck the player market just as some CCP bods previously implied at Eve Vegas I think. What's CCP's current stance on BPOs? People that have them already can keep them? I'll stick my head above the parapet and say get rid of them altogether for the greater good of Dust. People will be using the BPOs to farm awesome FW Loyalty gear breaking a future player market. I agree, they should just refund everything. it will break the player market when they add it
4447 Resolution XIII 901	Posted - 2013.12.04 14:10:00 - [23] - Quote Loki Patera wrote: Firstly apologies if this has been discussed to the nth degree already. Just saw someone stating that they're getting an entire BPO fit ready for the new FW. I'll get flamed for this but this isn't fair on the people that don't have BPOs - fair enough, you bought them and supported the financing of the game, but going forward it's going to wreck the player market just as some CCP bods previously implied at Eve Vegas I think. What's CCP's current stance on BPOs? People that have them already can keep them? I'll stick my head above the parapet and say get rid of them altogether for the greater good of Dust. People will be using the BPOs to farm awesome FW Loyalty gear breaking a future player market. Everyone should loss their money because they've got more money then me. Troll, For lifeGÇª But maybe a dragon, uh a bigger dragon.
Vrain Matari ZionTCD Public Disorder. 1304	Posted - 2013.12.04 14:59:00 - [24] - Quote BPOs won't change the match dynamics at all. FW not paying ISK will change the match dynamics very little. Peeps will have to become a bit more ISK efficient, true, but there is a giant glaring exception to this: PC corps. For those peeps who run Proto because their PC income allows them to do so, nothing has changed. Expect exactly the same behaviour as we have now. There are a fair number of these people. Things will change for peeps who are not part of PC but still run Proto, because their use of Proto is paid for by their skill as a player. Those skill-based mercs who want FW rewards may have to drop their total meta level a bit to run a profitable operation - depends what the FW modules will sell for once we get a player market, tbh. There are relatively few of these people. It's kinda interesting, because for the skill-based non-PC-income players the new FW will really separate the men/women from the boys and girls. The biggest change to the dynamics is we're only getting paid in Standings if we win(does that mean there's no loss of standing with the opposing side if we lose?), and we get paid a lot more LP for a win compared to a loss. Basically, if you're not fighting for the win you're wasting your time/ISK and that of your teammates. I support SP rollover.
Monkey MAC Lost Millennium 1136	Posted - 2013.12.04 15:23:00 - [25] - Quote People can keep them However they are going to be MUCH MUCH harder to obtain They are basically stopping growth levels before BPO units reach saturation point BPO suits will allow the user to get LP without sacrificing there paid fits, but at the same time, you are free to run a starter fit, which is also free. The only problem is the Trolls who will go into FW with Free Suits just to troll people. Since I could find out what "Punishing" a player will do, there is little loss for a BPO Griefer As Such I would advise not going into FW for at least a week, let it balance out first. The pen is mightier than the sword The gun is mightier than both Monkey Mac - Forum Warrior of the Trees Lvl.1
Chunky Munkey Amarr Templars Amarr Empire 2424	Posted - 2013.12.04 15:32:00 - [26] - Quote Loki Patera wrote: Firstly apologies if this has been discussed to the nth degree already. Just saw someone stating that they're getting an entire BPO fit ready for the new FW. I'll get flamed for this but this isn't fair on the people that don't have BPOs - fair enough, you bought them and supported the financing of the game, but going forward it's going to wreck the player market just as some CCP bods previously implied at Eve Vegas I think. What's CCP's current stance on BPOs? People that have them already can keep them? I'll stick my head above the parapet and say get rid of them altogether for the greater good of Dust. People will be using the BPOs to farm awesome FW Loyalty gear breaking a future player market. Most people have millions of isk at least, and a full militia fit never costs more than 10k. If you think a BPO fit is gonna screw with the player market you should be more concerned about how cheap militia gear is in general. No.
Pokey Dravon OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 1172	Posted - 2013.12.04 15:51:00 - [27] - Quote You could always grab the EVE Collectors Edition, that comes with 3 BPO suits and 3 BPO weapons to play with, all Standard level and requiring no skills. ADS Reports - Defining Racial Themes
plaplapla Dogs of War Gaming Zero-Day 14	Posted - 2013.12.04 16:00:00 - [28] - Quote Loki Patera wrote: Firstly apologies if this has been discussed to the nth degree already. Just saw someone stating that they're getting an entire BPO fit ready for the new FW. I'll get flamed for this but this isn't fair on the people that don't have BPOs - fair enough, you bought them and supported the financing of the game, but going forward it's going to wreck the player market just as some CCP bods previously implied at Eve Vegas I think. What's CCP's current stance on BPOs? People that have them already can keep them? I'll stick my head above the parapet and say get rid of them altogether for the greater good of Dust. People will be using the BPOs to farm awesome FW Loyalty gear breaking a future player market. we use BPO you use starter fits its the same thing now stop your nagging


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