DUST Search - FF FW and YOU

Jadek Menaheim wrote:

Ghosts Chance wrote:

now a lot of people are concerned about the obvious troll tactics that are going to come up with this and while it brings some concerns it also opens doors to the kind of weird backstabbing meta-gaming that EvE brings tot he table.

obviously direct friendly fire has appropriate consequences, rejection from the game after a bit of trolling, with abilities for vote kicks, as well as a mechanic that takes damage into consideration for those that would seek to simply maim instead of kill.

most people are concerned with intentional FF suicide and while i understand the knee jerk reaction it wont be nearly as bad as you think, and will only be able to be exploited to its max by the truly clever.

You do realize people can create, delete, and cycle through free alts with relative ease. Even if you are kicked from battles you can pop in a new character. However, this practices is only reserved for vile psychopaths...which there are obviously none in Dust 514.

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Ghosts Chance Inf4m0us 332	Posted - 2013.12.04 02:14:00 - [1] - Quote As we all know friendly fire will be active in faction warfare and this brings PC style gameplay into the frontline of things where situational awareness and watching out for your teamates is going to have to be a staple. now alot of people are concerned about the obvious troll tactics that are going to come up with this and while it brings some concerns it also opens dorrs to the kind of wierd backstabbing metagaming that EvE brings tot he table. obviously direct friendly fire has apropriate consequenses, rejection from the game after a bit of trolling, with abilties for vote kicks, as well as a mechanic that takes damage into concideration for those that would seek to simply maim instead of kill. most people are concerned with intentional FF scuicide and while i understand the knee jerk reaction it wont be nearly as bad as you think, and will only be able to be exploited to its max by the truly clever. with FF on players will have to adjust their game and you will see more and more people positioning in ways that are apropriate for that, and this will also make FF Scuiciders that much easyer to spot. In competitive FW you will have at minimum an organised squad and quite possably even mass Que sincings with many squads in order to stack teams as much as possable, this means that there are fewer and fewer slots on a competitive team for the old trollberry to ocupy. In addition to this the squads will be alot more sued to working within the restrictions of FF and upon noticing a particular trollberry will more than likely be able to mitigate their effetivness by simply being more careful and when apropriatly disposing of the offender using available oponents (aka luring the trollberry into a trap of enamys) now within the first little while its going to be a problem, as the novelty will be fresh and people give it a spin for fun (but not profit), proto suits will be lost and you will have to accept that because thats apart of the game. I imagine you will even come across professional sabatuers who make it their playstyle to be a double agent in the mix and i believe thats perfectly fine. This game is a small piece of a much larger sandbox and while the two games arnt really related or connected all that much its important to remember that they both belong to the same universe, and that means that sabatoge, theft, corruption, scamming, and al those wonderful counter gaming playstyles are apart of things, and wont be going anywhere. Just remember that when you venture into FW in 1.7 and try not to get too frusterated by the sudden influx of sabatoge. Instead use that time to work out ways to counter them, mitigate their effet, and perhaps even find a way to rig things against them. Its going to be apart of the game and you can either adapt to that or stick to pubs. I personally will be fighting genuinly for the Minmatar, and i have no doubt that i will inevitably become a victom of this kind of gameplay, and im going to find every possable way to get revenge, ket them killed, and deal with them myself within the game mechanics instead of QQing to CCP on the forums.
Ghosts Chance Inf4m0us 340	Posted - 2013.12.04 03:34:00 - [2] - Quote Nobody else thinks griefers are normal and that players should find ways to use the game mechanics against the griefers themselves just as the griefers use the mechanics to grief?
Llast 326 An Arkhos 662	Posted - 2013.12.04 04:04:00 - [3] - Quote I welcome these changes, I know that there will be challenges and that is what I like about it. Also I notice a lot of people have concerns about what blueberries may do, be they foolish actions or intentionally AWOXing, is this simply anxiety over a lack of control in what others do? I shot a man in Black Rise onceGÇª Just to watch him die
Jadek Menaheim Xer Cloud Consortium 553	Posted - 2013.12.04 04:19:00 - [4] - Quote Ghosts Chance wrote: now a lot of people are concerned about the obvious troll tactics that are going to come up with this and while it brings some concerns it also opens doors to the kind of weird backstabbing meta-gaming that EvE brings tot he table. obviously direct friendly fire has appropriate consequences, rejection from the game after a bit of trolling, with abilities for vote kicks, as well as a mechanic that takes damage into consideration for those that would seek to simply maim instead of kill. most people are concerned with intentional FF suicide and while i understand the knee jerk reaction it wont be nearly as bad as you think, and will only be able to be exploited to its max by the truly clever. You do realize people can create, delete, and cycle through free alts with relative ease. Even if you are kicked from battles you can pop in a new character. However, this practices is only reserved for vile psychopaths...which there are obviously none in Dust 514. [sig=hex.dec]4d7920313333372048617830727a2078706c6f747a20522058706f7364206259206c766c2035204330646562386b727a[/sig]
Ghosts Chance Inf4m0us 347	Posted - 2013.12.04 04:21:00 - [5] - Quote Jadek Menaheim wrote: Ghosts Chance wrote: now a lot of people are concerned about the obvious troll tactics that are going to come up with this and while it brings some concerns it also opens doors to the kind of weird backstabbing meta-gaming that EvE brings tot he table. obviously direct friendly fire has appropriate consequences, rejection from the game after a bit of trolling, with abilities for vote kicks, as well as a mechanic that takes damage into consideration for those that would seek to simply maim instead of kill. most people are concerned with intentional FF suicide and while i understand the knee jerk reaction it wont be nearly as bad as you think, and will only be able to be exploited to its max by the truly clever. You do realize people can create, delete, and cycle through free alts with relative ease. Even if you are kicked from battles you can pop in a new character. However, this practices is only reserved for vile psychopaths...which there are obviously none in Dust 514. thats ALOT of work so much work that i would classify that as professional sabatoge. it just means those who are serious in FW are going to have to find ways to deal with the professionals just as the professionals are going to have to find ways to sabatoge. and yes i was fully aware of that when i wrote the OP
Jadek Menaheim Xer Cloud Consortium 553	Posted - 2013.12.04 04:24:00 - [6] - Quote Ghosts Chance wrote: thats ALOT of work so much work that i would classify that as professional sabatoge. it just means those who are serious in FW are going to have to find ways to deal with the professionals just as the professionals are going to have to find ways to sabatoge. and yes i was fully aware of that when i wrote the OP It's much easier when you're running multiple systems at once. You don't even have to particular pay attention to what's happening on the screen...just move your joysticks aimlessly in the direction of some friendly action. Or just perch up on a ledge with a BPO starterfit sniper. I'm sure you'll get an angry tk'er while you're 'slightly' afk. [sig=hex.dec]4d7920313333372048617830727a2078706c6f747a20522058706f7364206259206c766c2035204330646562386b727a[/sig]
Maken Tosch DUST University Ivy League 5554	Posted - 2013.12.04 04:31:00 - [7] - Quote Thankfully I don't have to worry about committing friendly fire against anyone because... well... I'm a knifer. I don't accidentally stab my team mates in that play style unless that team mate goes out of his way to actually make me stab him. However, I do worry about accidentally getting in the way of my team mates' line of fire whenever I try to surprise a redberry. CCP, thank you for hotfixing the knives. But please make sure they're at their full potential in 1.7.
Ghosts Chance Inf4m0us 347	Posted - 2013.12.04 04:33:00 - [8] - Quote Jadek Menaheim wrote: Ghosts Chance wrote: thats ALOT of work so much work that i would classify that as professional sabatoge. it just means those who are serious in FW are going to have to find ways to deal with the professionals just as the professionals are going to have to find ways to sabatoge. and yes i was fully aware of that when i wrote the OP It's much easier when you're running multiple systems at once. You don't even have to particular pay attention to what's happening on the screen...just move your joysticks aimlessly in the direction of some friendly action. Or just perch up on a ledge with a BPO starterfit sniper. I'm sure you'll get an angry tk'er while you're 'slightly' afk. and? thats not exactly going to sabatoge much. come on be a little more inventive with it, if your going through all the trouble of using multiple systems and rolling new characters repetitivly then at least make it worth while.
Maken Tosch DUST University Ivy League 5554	Posted - 2013.12.04 04:37:00 - [9] - Quote Ghosts Chance wrote: Nobody else thinks griefers are normal and that players should find ways to use the game mechanics against the griefers themselves just as the griefers use the mechanics to grief? I hail from Eve Online. Been playing Eve since 2008 and I have had to adapt to many things including high-sec gankers trying to suicide gank my mining barges (exhumers in this case). I have countered these tactics with beefier tanks and careful observation of local chat to see any sudden spike of pirates. I have been the victim of at least 5 suicide gank attempts but have successfully survived all 5 of them thanks to my adaptation which spared me the lose of a 200 million ISK ship and a 800 million ISK industrial command ship. Griefers are a normal part of life in New Eden. It comes with the territory. In fact, CCP has constantly reminded us of this with their trailers. Not one trailer was made by CCP that doesn't involve a ship shooting at something or a player wreaking havoc in their own leadership. CCP, thank you for hotfixing the knives. But please make sure they're at their full potential in 1.7.
Jadek Menaheim Xer Cloud Consortium 553	Posted - 2013.12.04 04:37:00 - [10] - Quote Ghosts Chance wrote: Jadek Menaheim wrote: Ghosts Chance wrote: thats ALOT of work so much work that i would classify that as professional sabatoge. it just means those who are serious in FW are going to have to find ways to deal with the professionals just as the professionals are going to have to find ways to sabatoge. and yes i was fully aware of that when i wrote the OP It's much easier when you're running multiple systems at once. You don't even have to particular pay attention to what's happening on the screen...just move your joysticks aimlessly in the direction of some friendly action. Or just perch up on a ledge with a BPO starterfit sniper. I'm sure you'll get an angry tk'er while you're 'slightly' afk. and? thats not exactly going to sabatoge much. come on be a little more inventive with it, if your going through all the trouble of using multiple systems and rolling new characters repetitivly then at least make it worth while. My body is ready to bring misery to people in order to help them stretch and flex their muscles of battle creativity. I do this all because I care. [sig=hex.dec]4d7920313333372048617830727a2078706c6f747a20522058706f7364206259206c766c2035204330646562386b727a[/sig]

Vyzion Eyri The Southern Legion The Umbra Combine 2167	Posted - 2013.12.04 04:40:00 - [11] - Quote What I'm looking forward to is watching people who thought they were good start killing their own teammates with their core locus grenades. "When nothing is going your way, go out of your way to do nothing."
Llast 326 An Arkhos 664	Posted - 2013.12.04 04:43:00 - [12] - Quote Vyzion Eyri wrote: What I'm looking forward to is watching people who thought they were good start killing their own teammates with their core locus grenades. I am looking forward to running KN into a group of Redberry Meatshields I shot a man in Black Rise onceGÇª Just to watch him die
TheAmazing FlyingPig Crux Special Tasks Group Gallente Federation 4838	Posted - 2013.12.04 04:44:00 - [13] - Quote To be quite honest, I think you'd do more damage to the enemy faction protostomping on your main over getting a couple of teamkills, then booted until downtime. Never forget How to fix the Logi
Maken Tosch DUST University Ivy League 5557	Posted - 2013.12.04 04:47:00 - [14] - Quote Llast 326 wrote: Vyzion Eyri wrote: What I'm looking forward to is watching people who thought they were good start killing their own teammates with their core locus grenades. I am looking forward to running KN into a group of Redberry Meatshields OOOOOOooooooohhhhhh!! I will sooooooooo Leroy Jenkins into an enemy group and let them "accidentally" kill each other. CCP, thank you for hotfixing the knives. But please make sure they're at their full potential in 1.7.
Llast 326 An Arkhos 664	Posted - 2013.12.04 04:49:00 - [15] - Quote Maken Tosch wrote: Llast 326 wrote: Vyzion Eyri wrote: What I'm looking forward to is watching people who thought they were good start killing their own teammates with their core locus grenades. I am looking forward to running KN into a group of Redberry Meatshields OOOOOOooooooohhhhhh!! I will sooooooooo Leroy Jenkins into an enemy group and let them "accidentally" kill each other. They slipped a Ninja Minja Boost with the TK I shot a man in Black Rise onceGÇª Just to watch him die


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