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Karl Marx II wrote:

John Demonsbane wrote:

Karl Marx II wrote:

John Demonsbane wrote:

Problem: Pubstomping

Solution: ~~Make FW more competitive but not give ISK so people have incentive to run cheap fits in pubs and the high end gear in FW~~
Sabotage FW by teamkilling everyone in proto gear so they go back to pubstomping.

Brilliant plan. I wish I had the intellect to have conceived it myself. Especially the part where you ignore that fact that people who have never run proto in pubs might consider doing so in FW because the Dust-EvE link is important to them. Oh, and the part where you reinforce the behavior you actually hate. That's the true genius in action.

After months of new players being subjected to pubstomping you must surely understand that a huge chunk of the player base have scores to settle and FW 2.0 isn't going to stop protopubstomping anyway ..

Alot of the current pub protostomping corps fund the use of full proto every game via the broken PC system and because that isn;t being fixed the protostomping isn't going to be fixed

ooookayy... so if you have a score to settle you could always just snipe or drop RE's in regular matches. I mean, why reflexively sabotage the first real attempt CCP has made to address the problem? The logic escapes me.

Because it doesn't truly address the problem .. there is no reason for the current protostompers to not just continue protostomping pubgames and not taking part in FW and I don;t see Nyain San or some of the other corps not runnign full proto in pub games as well as FW because of the broken PC mechanic giving them unlimited ISK

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John Demonsbane Unorganized Ninja Infantry Tactics League of Infamy 560	Posted - 2013.12.03 19:17:00 - [1] - Quote Problem: Pubstomping Solution: ~~Make FW more competitive but not give ISK so people have incentive to run cheap fits in pubs and the high end gear in FW~~ Sabotage FW by teamkilling everyone in proto gear so they go back to pubstomping. Brilliant plan. I wish I had the intellect to have conceived it myself. Especially the part where you ignore that fact that people who have never run proto in pubs might consider doing so in FW because the Dust-EvE link is important to them. Oh, and the part where you reinforce the behavior you actually hate. That's the true genius in action. "The line between disorder and order lies in logistics" -Sun Tzu Amarr victor!
Arkena Wyrnspire Turalyon 514 Turalyon Alliance 5722	Posted - 2013.12.03 19:20:00 - [2] - Quote I'll just be playing pubmatches from now on TBH. It really doesn't look like it'll be worth the hassle to play FW. Friendly fire. With blueberries. How could that ever be seen as a good idea? Trying to win? Bluedot mindlessly bumbles into your stream of fire and gets killed. 'WAAAH PUNISH' and you end up getting kicked. I like the orbital changes. But I'm never going to use one again despite having strong EVE support because dropping one will basically equate to getting kicked as some ******** blueberry charges into it. Level 5 Forum Warrior Lenin of the glorious armoured revolution Supporter of CCP raRaRa.
Sinboto Simmons SVER True Blood Public Disorder. 2651	Posted - 2013.12.03 19:21:00 - [3] - Quote Pretty much yeah. Sinboto - The True Blood Minja. Forum Warrior level 2 STB-Infantry (Demolition)
Jadek Menaheim Xer Cloud Consortium 551	Posted - 2013.12.03 19:22:00 - [4] - Quote Arkena Wyrnspire wrote: I'll just be playing pubmatches from now on TBH. It really doesn't look like it'll be worth the hassle to play FW. Friendly fire. With blueberries. How could that ever be seen as a good idea? Trying to win? Bluedot mindlessly bumbles into your stream of fire and gets killed. 'WAAAH PUNISH' and you end up getting kicked. I like the orbital changes. But I'm never going to use one again despite having strong EVE support because dropping one will basically equate to getting kicked as some ******** blueberry charges into it. Xer Cloud Consortium is going to be right at home here running starters and BPO fits for the Lolz and Profitz! [sig=hex.dec]4d7920313333372048617830727a2078706c6f747a20522058706f7364206259206c766c2035204330646562386b727a[/sig]
John Demonsbane Unorganized Ninja Infantry Tactics League of Infamy 568	Posted - 2013.12.03 19:22:00 - [5] - Quote Arkena Wyrnspire wrote: I'll just be playing pubmatches from now on TBH. It really doesn't look like it'll be worth the hassle to play FW. Friendly fire. With blueberries. How could that ever be seen as a good idea? Trying to win? Bluedot mindlessly bumbles into your stream of fire and gets killed. 'WAAAH PUNISH' and you end up getting kicked. I like the orbital changes. But I'm never going to use one again despite having strong EVE support because dropping one will basically equate to getting kicked as some ****** blueberry charges into it. Yeah, I'm sure I'll be avoiding FW for at least a couple weeks until the children tire of their little games... "The line between disorder and order lies in logistics"** -Sun Tzu Amarr victor!
hackerzilla Defenders of the Helghast Dream 560	Posted - 2013.12.03 19:22:00 - [6] - Quote If you're corp-paid, then you have nothing to worry about, because the PC system is broken! What I mean is that players get (basically) an infinite loop of ISK, through holding districts in PC... so I ya wanna run proto, run proto. Just don't complain when you get kicked for spamming your core locus nades with a proto hive at your feet, and a 1000+ HP proto suit to compliment you.... and maybe even a duvolle with that... Host of Zilla's Games! The best defense in not a good offense, it's a good defense.
Karl Marx II Holdfast Syndicate Amarr Empire 246	Posted - 2013.12.03 19:23:00 - [7] - Quote John Demonsbane wrote: Problem: Pubstomping Solution: ~~Make FW more competitive but not give ISK so people have incentive to run cheap fits in pubs and the high end gear in FW~~ Sabotage FW by teamkilling everyone in proto gear so they go back to pubstomping. Brilliant plan. I wish I had the intellect to have conceived it myself. Especially the part where you ignore that fact that people who have never run proto in pubs might consider doing so in FW because the Dust-EvE link is important to them. Oh, and the part where you reinforce the behavior you actually hate. That's the true genius in action. After months of new players being subjected to pubstomping you must surely understand that a huge chunk of the player base have scores to settle and FW 2.0 isn't going to stop protopubstomping anyway .. Alot of the current pub protostomping corps fund the use of full proto every game via the broken PC system and because that isn;t being fixed the protostomping isn't going to be fixed My Theme
John Demonsbane Unorganized Ninja Infantry Tactics League of Infamy 568	Posted - 2013.12.03 19:23:00 - [8] - Quote Jadek Menaheim wrote: Arkena Wyrnspire wrote: I'll just be playing pubmatches from now on TBH. It really doesn't look like it'll be worth the hassle to play FW. Friendly fire. With blueberries. How could that ever be seen as a good idea? Trying to win? Bluedot mindlessly bumbles into your stream of fire and gets killed. 'WAAAH PUNISH' and you end up getting kicked. I like the orbital changes. But I'm never going to use one again despite having strong EVE support because dropping one will basically equate to getting kicked as some ****** blueberry charges into it. Xer Cloud Consortium is going to be right at home here running starters and BPO fits for the Lolz and Profitz! Now there's a shocker. "The line between disorder and order lies in logistics"** -Sun Tzu Amarr victor!
John Demonsbane Unorganized Ninja Infantry Tactics League of Infamy 568	Posted - 2013.12.03 19:27:00 - [9] - Quote Karl Marx II wrote: John Demonsbane wrote: Problem: Pubstomping Solution: ~~Make FW more competitive but not give ISK so people have incentive to run cheap fits in pubs and the high end gear in FW~~ Sabotage FW by teamkilling everyone in proto gear so they go back to pubstomping. Brilliant plan. I wish I had the intellect to have conceived it myself. Especially the part where you ignore that fact that people who have never run proto in pubs might consider doing so in FW because the Dust-EvE link is important to them. Oh, and the part where you reinforce the behavior you actually hate. That's the true genius in action. After months of new players being subjected to pubstomping you must surely understand that a huge chunk of the player base have scores to settle and FW 2.0 isn't going to stop protopubstomping anyway .. Alot of the current pub protostomping corps fund the use of full proto every game via the broken PC system and because that isn;t being fixed the protostomping isn't going to be fixed ooookayy... so if you have a score to settle you could always just snipe or drop RE's in regular matches. I mean, why reflexively sabotage the first real attempt CCP has made to address the problem? The logic escapes me. "The line between disorder and order lies in logistics" -Sun Tzu Amarr victor!
CLONE117 planetary retaliation organisation 494	Posted - 2013.12.03 19:37:00 - [10] - Quote honestly this might increase the amount of daily pubstomps. if a search parameter type gear restriction was added for pub matches this probably wouldnt be a problem.

John Demonsbane Unorganized Ninja Infantry Tactics League of Infamy 570	Posted - 2013.12.03 19:37:00 - [11] - Quote double post. sry "The line between disorder and order lies in logistics" -Sun Tzu Amarr victor!
Karl Marx II Holdfast Syndicate Amarr Empire 248	Posted - 2013.12.03 19:46:00 - [12] - Quote John Demonsbane wrote: Karl Marx II wrote: John Demonsbane wrote: Problem: Pubstomping Solution: ~~Make FW more competitive but not give ISK so people have incentive to run cheap fits in pubs and the high end gear in FW~~ Sabotage FW by teamkilling everyone in proto gear so they go back to pubstomping. Brilliant plan. I wish I had the intellect to have conceived it myself. Especially the part where you ignore that fact that people who have never run proto in pubs might consider doing so in FW because the Dust-EvE link is important to them. Oh, and the part where you reinforce the behavior you actually hate. That's the true genius in action. After months of new players being subjected to pubstomping you must surely understand that a huge chunk of the player base have scores to settle and FW 2.0 isn't going to stop protopubstomping anyway .. Alot of the current pub protostomping corps fund the use of full proto every game via the broken PC system and because that isn;t being fixed the protostomping isn't going to be fixed ooookayy... so if you have a score to settle you could always just snipe or drop RE's in regular matches. I mean, why reflexively sabotage the first real attempt CCP has made to address the problem? The logic escapes me. Because it doesn't truly address the problem .. there is no reason for the current protostompers to not just continue protostomping pubgames and not taking part in FW and I don;t see Nyain San or some of the other corps not runnign full proto in pub games as well as FW because of the broken PC mechanic giving them unlimited ISK My Theme
Ivy Zalinto Bobbit's Hangmen 74	Posted - 2013.12.03 19:48:00 - [13] - Quote Somehow starting to wish profile dampening worked against friendly players as well...My scout is one of those suits that begs to be shot once and crippled by someone that doesnt like the fact im hacking an uplink with my level 5 hacking skill before they get there... Dedicated scout. Caldari loyalist. Pistol supremacy.
John Demonsbane Unorganized Ninja Infantry Tactics League of Infamy 573	Posted - 2013.12.03 19:57:00 - [14] - Quote Karl Marx II wrote: John Demonsbane wrote: Karl Marx II wrote: John Demonsbane wrote: Problem: Pubstomping Solution: ~~Make FW more competitive but not give ISK so people have incentive to run cheap fits in pubs and the high end gear in FW~~ Sabotage FW by teamkilling everyone in proto gear so they go back to pubstomping. Brilliant plan. I wish I had the intellect to have conceived it myself. Especially the part where you ignore that fact that people who have never run proto in pubs might consider doing so in FW because the Dust-EvE link is important to them. Oh, and the part where you reinforce the behavior you actually hate. That's the true genius in action. After months of new players being subjected to pubstomping you must surely understand that a huge chunk of the player base have scores to settle and FW 2.0 isn't going to stop protopubstomping anyway .. Alot of the current pub protostomping corps fund the use of full proto every game via the broken PC system and because that isn;t being fixed the protostomping isn't going to be fixed ooookayy... so if you have a score to settle you could always just snipe or drop RE's in regular matches. I mean, why reflexively sabotage the first real attempt CCP has made to address the problem? The logic escapes me. Because it doesn't truly address the problem .. there is no reason for the current protostompers to not just continue protostomping pubgames and not taking part in FW and I don;t see Nyain San or some of the other corps not runnign full proto in pub games as well as FW because of the broken PC mechanic giving them unlimited ISK You'll never stop Nyain San, for one. It's like death and taxes. Second, why not just go TK them? Why go after everyone? I didn't design PC and I don't protostomp. Why do I need to be targeted by asshats who just want to lash out for something I had nothing to do with? "The line between disorder and order lies in logistics" -Sun Tzu Amarr victor!
John Demonsbane Unorganized Ninja Infantry Tactics League of Infamy 576	Posted - 2013.12.03 20:35:00 - [15] - Quote Still waiting for someone to give a logical answer to my last post. "The line between disorder and order lies in logistics" -Sun Tzu Amarr victor!
Everything Dies Chatelain Rapid Response Gallente Federation 330	Posted - 2013.12.03 20:40:00 - [16] - Quote Ivy Zalinto wrote: Somehow starting to wish profile dampening worked against friendly players as well...My scout is one of those suits that begs to be shot once and crippled by someone that doesnt like the fact im hacking an uplink with my level 5 hacking skill before they get there... Call it a hunch, but I don't believe the full system of friendly fire will last over one patch. I can see them keeping it for grenades, but killing a teammate in a fierce gun fight can--and WILL--happen. And that says nothing of the ones who will purposefully kill their own. Life is killing me.
Killar-12 The Corporate Raiders Top Men. 1833	Posted - 2013.12.03 20:41:00 - [17] - Quote Team deploy or FW is well screwed or make people have to join a FW group so blueberries don't join. Level 1 Forum Warrior I'm a bittervet, if I seem like a douche it's because of your stupidity
Operative 1171 Aajli Bragian Order Amarr Empire 768	Posted - 2013.12.03 20:43:00 - [18] - Quote John Demonsbane wrote: Problem: Pubstomping Solution: ~~Make FW more competitive but not give ISK so people have incentive to run cheap fits in pubs and the high end gear in FW~~ Sabotage FW by teamkilling everyone in proto gear so they go back to pubstomping. Brilliant plan. I wish I had the intellect to have conceived it myself. Especially the part where you ignore the fact that people who have never run proto in pubs might consider doing so in FW because the Dust-EvE link is important to them. Oh, and the part where you reinforce the behavior you actually hate. That's the true genius in action. Killing DUSTGÇª one griefer at a time. "It's made with bits of real Gallente. So you know it's good." -GÇö Brian Fantana paraphrased
Your Absolut End SVER True Blood Public Disorder. 261	Posted - 2013.12.03 20:48:00 - [19] - Quote you know in germany we say: "Dumm ist der, der dummes tut" Means stupid are those who do stupid things. You will always have people who try to tear apart what you like, the key is to not give a **. They wanna be stupid and complain? Go for it, I'll sit here with popcorn watching the tears. Just think about how depressed those poor fools have to be in real life to take on actions like this. this alsways grants me a big smile on my face, for I am a sarcastic ***** :D another one bites the Dust...
Oxskull Duncarino Shadow Company HQ 274	Posted - 2013.12.03 21:11:00 - [20] - Quote Arkena Wyrnspire wrote: I'll just be playing pubmatches from now on TBH. It really doesn't look like it'll be worth the hassle to play FW. Friendly fire. With blueberries. How could that ever be seen as a good idea? Trying to win? Bluedot mindlessly bumbles into your stream of fire and gets killed. 'WAAAH PUNISH' and you end up getting kicked. I like the orbital changes. But I'm never going to use one again despite having strong EVE support because dropping one will basically equate to getting kicked as some ******** blueberry charges into it. I like the OB changes as well but there is a further issue with it. We can set a target for the OB when the EvE pilot is ready but it is up to them as to when they drop it, or if they drop it for someone else. We could have 3 or more people calling targets for the one OB and with that commotion on team coms due to it being the only ability to communicate with the pilot, it might be tough to know who's getting it and consequently, where you and your team don't want to be. Haha, I foresee many, many, blue on blue OBs with the reds standing outside them laughing. Laughing that is, until the same thing happens to them. Hey, maybe that's the balance CCP are going for. I know we haven't played it yet but I'm going to be pre-emptive and shout out that full team deployment for FW is needed for 1.7 or it's going to be one big glorious mess. Fun times ahead starting Tuesday coming

Ivy Zalinto Bobbit's Hangmen 81	Posted - 2013.12.03 21:36:00 - [21] - Quote Everything Dies wrote: Ivy Zalinto wrote: Somehow starting to wish profile dampening worked against friendly players as well...My scout is one of those suits that begs to be shot once and crippled by someone that doesnt like the fact im hacking an uplink with my level 5 hacking skill before they get there... Call it a hunch, but I don't believe the full system of friendly fire will last over one patch. I can see them keeping it for grenades, but killing a teammate in a fierce gun fight can--and WILL--happen. And that says nothing of the ones who will purposefully kill their own. Kinda like ghost recon how the only thing you can kill teammates with are explosive and incendiary stuff. That would actually be pretty perfect in this situation. Ccp, pay attention to that person! Dedicated scout. Caldari loyalist. Pistol supremacy.
John Demonsbane Unorganized Ninja Infantry Tactics League of Infamy 584	Posted - 2013.12.03 23:25:00 - [22] - Quote Yeah. I'll have to find the link but apparently soxfour leaked that team deploy is slated for 1.8 so maybe it's best to just take a month off FW and wait for that... "The line between disorder and order lies in logistics" -Sun Tzu Amarr victor!
John Demonsbane Unorganized Ninja Infantry Tactics League of Infamy 589	Posted - 2013.12.04 01:26:00 - [23] - Quote John Demonsbane wrote: Yeah. I'll have to find the link but apparently soxfour leaked that team deploy is slated for 1.8 so maybe it's best to just take a month off FW and wait for that... Nevermind, unfounded rumor. Oops. "The line between disorder and order lies in logistics" -Sun Tzu Amarr victor!
deepfried salad gilliam Sanguine Knights 218	Posted - 2013.12.04 01:39:00 - [24] - Quote How about this -20% dmg to friendlies (for accidents) they already have a kicking system but each additional kick adds a day of waiting but a week of no kicks removes a day ex kicked once wait a day kicked twice 2 then 3 wait 2 weeks gets kicked waits 1 day Christ is lord Sanguine knights , open recruitment, join now. Fear is a choice, I choose not to let it control me.
BMSTUBBY 370	Posted - 2013.12.04 01:51:00 - [25] - Quote John Demonsbane wrote: John Demonsbane wrote: Yeah. I'll have to find the link but apparently soxfour leaked that team deploy is slated for 1.8 so maybe it's best to just take a month off FW and wait for that... Nevermind, unfounded rumor. Oops. CCP Nullarbor wrote: Yeah it's pretty obvious we need team deploy and the CPM have been very vocal about this feature as well. It was originally planned to get done with the FW changes but had to get pushed for 2 reasons: 1. It's actually a lot of work, we need to re-architect a bunch of the squad system to support larger groupings. 2. Matchmaking is still having balance issues and team deploy will make this significantly worse. We need to fix matchmaking first. I still can't say exactly when it will get done but know that we share the sentiment on how important it is. (Same goes for player market). For the time being, we hope the FW changes will liven things up a bit. Thanks for your patience. https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=1559253#post1559253 Dusters - MMO WhenGäó ? CCP - MMO SoonGäó .
John Demonsbane Unorganized Ninja Infantry Tactics League of Infamy 595	Posted - 2013.12.04 05:31:00 - [26] - Quote Bump "The line between disorder and order lies in logistics" -Sun Tzu Amarr victor!
Admonishment The Enclave Syndicate Dark Taboo 39	Posted - 2013.12.04 05:59:00 - [27] - Quote Ivy Zalinto wrote: Somehow starting to wish profile dampening worked against friendly players as well...My scout is one of those suits that begs to be shot once and crippled by someone that doesnt like the fact im hacking an uplink with my level 5 hacking skill before they get there... They used to do that crap in another game I used to play lol kill you so they can get the hack instead... Level 5 Proficiency in Tupperware handling.
John Demonsbane Unorganized Ninja Infantry Tactics League of Infamy 607	Posted - 2013.12.04 07:47:00 - [28] - Quote Admonishment wrote: Ivy Zalinto wrote: Somehow starting to wish profile dampening worked against friendly players as well...My scout is one of those suits that begs to be shot once and crippled by someone that doesnt like the fact im hacking an uplink with my level 5 hacking skill before they get there... They used to do that crap in another game I used to play lol kill you so they can get the hack instead... Ugh, lets hope not. "The line between disorder and order lies in logistics" -Sun Tzu Amarr victor!
TechMechMeds Swamp Marines Kleenex Inc. 1566	Posted - 2013.12.04 14:45:00 - [29] - Quote Karl Marx II wrote: John Demonsbane wrote: Problem: Pubstomping Solution: ~~Make FW more competitive but not give ISK so people have incentive to run cheap fits in pubs and the high end gear in FW~~ Sabotage FW by teamkilling everyone in proto gear so they go back to pubstomping. Brilliant plan. I wish I had the intellect to have conceived it myself. Especially the part where you ignore that fact that people who have never run proto in pubs might consider doing so in FW because the Dust-EvE link is important to them. Oh, and the part where you reinforce the behavior you actually hate. That's the true genius in action. After months of new players being subjected to pubstomping you must surely understand that a huge chunk of the player base have scores to settle and FW 2.0 isn't going to stop protopubstomping anyway .. Alot of the current pub protostomping corps fund the use of full proto every game via the broken PC system and because that isn;t being fixed the protostomping isn't going to be fixed Everyone in my corp save for me and two others I have trained and seen them go from being proto stomped to now being pc ready and pub stomping. They repeatedly got proto stomped and even though I have almost 23mil sp I went through it with them. Not a single one of them feels any need to get pay back because of people playing the game and to clarify, one of them is 12.......... Level 1 forum warrior. Minmatar and Gallente fw. Fix PC lag please CCP.
John Demonsbane Unorganized Ninja Infantry Tactics League of Infamy 614	Posted - 2013.12.04 17:03:00 - [30] - Quote TechMechMeds wrote: and to clarify, one of them is 12.......... OMG that was hilarious "The line between disorder and order lies in logistics" -Sun Tzu Amarr victor!

TechMechMeds Swamp Marines Kleenex Inc. 1569	Posted - 2013.12.04 17:05:00 - [31] - Quote John Demonsbane wrote: TechMechMeds wrote: and to clarify, one of them is 12.......... OMG that was hilarious I know right, he has more logic and sense than these awoxx fools Level 1 forum warrior. Minmatar and Gallente fw. Fix PC lag please CCP.


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