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Ghosts Chance
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Posted - 2013.11.28 18:12:00 -
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Logis have been the big ticket QQ for quite a while now and nearly every single suggestion on how to nerf them just plain sucks.
If you limit me to just a sidearm... im still going to kill people, and your still going to QQ.
i know this becuase my most common fit uses only an SMG, and i still kill people, i still top charts, im still a lethal killer.
if you reduce the slots, well thats all fine, im still going to kill people, and your still going to QQ.
i know this becuase i run around in a Sever suit most of the time and do just fine.
you guys need to wrap your heads around the fact that logis are going to kill people, and a good slayer is going to be just as deadly in a logi suit as an assault suit, and it wont matter what you change to the suit thats always going to be true.
currently the logi skill bonus is OP, and the assault skill bonus is useless.
THAT is the single factor wich is cuasing this mess, its the reason people speced logi over assault int he first place, and its why you see so many logis vs assaults.
CCP know this and has posted about trying to rework the skill bonuses, and thats what they are refering to when they speak of nerfing logis.
but do not think for a second they will suddenly be less deadly, they will simply be a little less surviable then they are now.
this talk of "slayer" logis is complete BS, you seem to think that the class is a dedicated healer when in reality is just an equipment user.
i use it for the remote explosives spam, and no matter what happens to the suit i will continue to do so, and continue to top the charts. |
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Posted - 2013.11.28 20:08:00 -
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R F Gyro wrote:Ghosts Chance wrote:this talk of "slayer" logis is complete BS, you seem to think that the class is a dedicated healer when in reality is just an equipment user.
If this was actually the case then they wouldn't be yellow
yellow stands for caution
traditionally red/white is for medic :P |
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Posted - 2013.11.28 22:14:00 -
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Yoma Carrim wrote:Kazeno Rannaa wrote:
EVE pilots have NONE of our limitations.
I can't believe I'm doing this but Caldari Logi shipCaldari Assault ShipI would like you to carefully look over the stats of each ship.... Done? Ok As you can see by the way the ships are set out the Basilisk can indeed fit weapons of similar size to the weapons on the Eagle however as a logistics ship it is limited by the number of weapons it can fit thus making it a far less efficient slayer than the Eagle witch is a ship set up to Slay enemies from the get go. Eve has more freedom than we do but that dose not mean they without limits.
logis in dust are ALSO limited by the number of weapons they can fit, what a co-incidence |
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Posted - 2013.11.28 23:09:00 -
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Cat Merc wrote:Why would I care if you kill with a sidearm?
If you manage to top the charts with a sidearm, you deserve it, logi or not.
im wierdly better with an SMG then i am with an assault rifle....
it would be more impressive if i managed the same numbers with the plasma rifle |
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Posted - 2013.11.28 23:22:00 -
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Meeko Fent wrote:Ghosts Chance wrote:Logis have been the big ticket QQ for quite a while now and nearly every single suggestion on how to nerf them just plain sucks.
If you limit me to just a sidearm... im still going to kill people, and your still going to QQ.
i know this becuase my most common fit uses only an SMG, and i still kill people, i still top charts, im still a lethal killer.
if you reduce the slots, well thats all fine, im still going to kill people, and your still going to QQ.
i know this becuase i run around in a Sever suit most of the time and do just fine.
you guys need to wrap your heads around the fact that logis are going to kill people, and a good slayer is going to be just as deadly in a logi suit as an assault suit, and it wont matter what you change to the suit thats always going to be true.
currently the logi skill bonus is OP, and the assault skill bonus is useless.
THAT is the single factor wich is cuasing this mess, its the reason people speced logi over assault int he first place, and its why you see so many logis vs assaults.
CCP know this and has posted about trying to rework the skill bonuses, and thats what they are refering to when they speak of nerfing logis.
but do not think for a second they will suddenly be less deadly, they will simply be a little less surviable then they are now.
this talk of "slayer" logis is complete BS, you seem to think that the class is a dedicated healer when in reality is just an equipment user.
i use it for the remote explosives spam, and no matter what happens to the suit i will continue to do so, and continue to top the charts. @Bolden, You see, that's what is trieing to be done. a good assault player, can do good in a assault suit, but due to the capability for much improved HP values in logistics, a good assault player in a assault suit is< a good assault player in a logi suit. @Italicized, survivable is equal to deadly. If I can eat more bullets then what the other guy can, and still deal the same amount of damage, then I am more deadly then the other. Imagine, a Tank with just a guy with a RPG in it, and a Car with just a guy with a RPG in it. Who is more deadly? The tank is harder to kill then the car, while maintaining the cars lethality, therefore it is more deadly.
people really underestimate the usefullness of having a sidearm.
in an even engagement with wise use of cover on both sides, assumeing equal skill and gear, the guy with the sidearm has more oportunities for pushing forward then the guy without.
that reload window can mean everything, and hot swapping to the sidearm and charging forward on their reload is a guarenteed way to gain an upper hand.
again though thats assuming equal skill, wich is hard to find in matches right now. |
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Posted - 2013.11.28 23:23:00 -
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SoTarian PoParrazi wrote:OP is completely right - the solution is simple.... Take away all there weapons! 
ill still have remote explosives :P
wich is the whole reason i chose logi to begin with :P
you cant stop meeeeeeee |
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Posted - 2013.11.28 23:35:00 -
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SoTarian PoParrazi wrote:Ghosts Chance wrote:SoTarian PoParrazi wrote:OP is completely right - the solution is simple.... Take away all there weapons! ill still have remote explosives :P wich is the whole reason i chose logi to begin with :P you cant stop meeeeeeee *Throws a flux nade*
yah kinda have to know its there first :P
people try that to me all the time, if it was 100% counter i wouldnt be able to use remotes so well now would i :P
the key is the element of surprize, you cant flux every 10 steps you take. |
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Posted - 2013.11.29 00:05:00 -
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Meeko Fent wrote:Ghosts Chance wrote:Meeko Fent wrote:Ghosts Chance wrote:Logis have been the big ticket QQ for quite a while now and nearly every single suggestion on how to nerf them just plain sucks.
If you limit me to just a sidearm... im still going to kill people, and your still going to QQ.
i know this becuase my most common fit uses only an SMG, and i still kill people, i still top charts, im still a lethal killer.
if you reduce the slots, well thats all fine, im still going to kill people, and your still going to QQ.
i know this becuase i run around in a Sever suit most of the time and do just fine.
you guys need to wrap your heads around the fact that logis are going to kill people, and a good slayer is going to be just as deadly in a logi suit as an assault suit, and it wont matter what you change to the suit thats always going to be true.
currently the logi skill bonus is OP, and the assault skill bonus is useless.
THAT is the single factor wich is cuasing this mess, its the reason people speced logi over assault int he first place, and its why you see so many logis vs assaults.
CCP know this and has posted about trying to rework the skill bonuses, and thats what they are refering to when they speak of nerfing logis.
but do not think for a second they will suddenly be less deadly, they will simply be a little less surviable then they are now.
this talk of "slayer" logis is complete BS, you seem to think that the class is a dedicated healer when in reality is just an equipment user.
i use it for the remote explosives spam, and no matter what happens to the suit i will continue to do so, and continue to top the charts. @Bolden, You see, that's what is trieing to be done. a good assault player, can do good in a assault suit, but due to the capability for much improved HP values in logistics, a good assault player in a assault suit is< a good assault player in a logi suit. @Italicized, survivable is equal to deadly. If I can eat more bullets then what the other guy can, and still deal the same amount of damage, then I am more deadly then the other. Imagine, a Tank with just a guy with a RPG in it, and a Car with just a guy with a RPG in it. Who is more deadly? The tank is harder to kill then the car, while maintaining the cars lethality, therefore it is more deadly. people really underestimate the usefullness of having a sidearm. in an even engagement with wise use of cover on both sides, assumeing equal skill and gear, the guy with the sidearm has more oportunities for pushing forward then the guy without. that reload window can mean everything, and hot swapping to the sidearm and charging forward on their reload is a guarenteed way to gain an upper hand. again though thats assuming equal skill, wich is hard to find in matches right now. Sidearms are only really useful in CQC. This is due to the crappy ScP sights, the flays travel time, and the SMG's short range. So, at mid range, and in 1v1 CQC, a logi has the upper hand with better EHP values, and with not having to worry about a sidearm popping out of nowhere. In CQC, the sidearm is likely not going to be used due to most bullets hitting, meaning your going to die before you have to worry about a reload. 2.5 seconds isn't going to clear enough distance in mid-range combat to make that sidearm you got worth anything. you are likely going to have to cover around 30ish meters to get into useful range with a sidearm, and considering the range that most mid-range fights occur, like 60-45 meters, so covering 15 meters won't make that sidearm your carrying useful. Besides, running around in the open to attack a enemy, or squatting behind this wall and reloading. Which makes a bit more sense?
let me just give you some perspective here...
my only weapon outside remote explsoives.... is an assault SMG
if what your saying was true, i shouldnt be able to outdo anyone with an assault rifle. but since i do i call BS on your entire speech. i go toe to toe with ARs and thats becuase i understand the concept of range control, and i dont let them have it :P
if you die before the fight comes to a point where someone had to reload... your doing it wrong, learn to hug cover, learn to pick your fights, and learn how to bob and weave.
a sidearm is a tool at your disposal, its another trick of the trade, it wont always be the most apropriate, but there are times when it shines, and even more so when you plan for it int he first place.
sometimes you just dont ahve time to relead if you want to live, and sometimes you have to make it so that the oponent doesnt have time to reload if they want to live.
if its such a meaningless advantage why then is it so damn kitten useful. and oftin the deciding factor between life and death in those tense situations. and if its not really that important, why do you put a sidearm on your assault suit when you could just use that PG/CPU elsewhere since the suits so "short" on it?
after all the logis dont seem to need them? so why do assault players chose sidearms over more armor? or better equipment/granades?
its becuase sometimes reloading takes too much damn time, and youve either died becuase of it, or they have gotten away or have reloaded and your window for pushing forwards has ended.
and in the end isnt an assault suit about being good at pushing forward, taking those advantages and using them to put pressure on classes that dont have those advantages?
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