DUST Search - make scanners a sidearm

Shinobi MumyoSakanagare ZaShigurui wrote:

dullrust wrote:

Absolute Idiom II wrote:

What problem is this trying to solve?

Hmm good question. Nothing in particular I think. Then perhaps there are a few things.

Heavies are currently restricted in what they can do for WP. let's see there is kill, hack, or av/ai. None of which gives them WP without direct involvement. every class can do this too plus other stuff on top. Let the big guys take part in a bit more of the game already.

Scouts can now be scouts. If folks can't figure out how this would help. Well perhaps you should look for another game. And for assaults its pretty much the same. I'm not going to write the myriad ways this could go.

Logi bros... Well I am a proto gall logi. And let's face it I can do anything the other classes can. usually many of them at once. Would it hurt me to actually rely on someone else for something? Nope. Seriously why should the heavy have to? It would be nice to have an extra slot freed up too BTW.

I'm very sure this would create some interesting builds. For all the suit types including logis. And in the general squad makeup. In addition to more squad interdependence. This should even help with the dreaded slayer or assault logi.

As to the other stuff in the post that had little to do with the actual title. That was mostly just musings. Just stuff that might get some discussion and perhaps other thoughts out there.

Well I have rambled enough. HAVE A NICE DAY! Big smile

Please don't start with the Heavies . I use Heavies and anyone else who does would see this as a lamebrain ideal . Scouts would NOT like this seeing as how they are trying to nerf any and all weapons and get a buff to their suits and it's abilities . How would this help Logi's ???? Interesting builds ...???... Ignorant builds is more like it . If you want to discuss things get Web , FaceBook and Twitter addresses and talk about mindless things like that . This is a place for serious ideals that WILL HELP this game and it's gameplay . There are already enough people that are bashing the game and it's gameplay . This CRAP just pisses me off .

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dullrust Subsonic Synthesis RISE of LEGION 29	Posted - 2013.11.28 12:04:00 - [1] - Quote Seriously if scaners were a sidearm the dynamics of the game would change. Heavies could scan for themselves and the squad. Plus they would finally have some WP from something other than killing and hacking. Scouts would be able to actually equip a scanner and another equipment. Assaults would be able to do the same. The only class that takes a slight hit is the logi. Obviously all but one race would have to give up their weapon to use it. Logis would actually have to depend on the other classes for something. The exception is the amar logi. But the amar is supposed to be a front line logi. So in that case it works fine. They would technically have 4 equipment slots and one light weapon slot. okay seeing as I'm on the subject I might a well throw out another sugestion. This I think works well with the first part of this thread. make the scanner stay on as long as the trigger is held. But instead of the current way it works. The marks only stay lit while it's on and they are in range. Another thought that is out in the forums is. When a player is scanning. Those that are caught in the scan will also be able to see where the scanner is. Now that is a bit harsh I think. Why not have something along the lines of a hit indication? That I think would be much better than the current "you have been scanned" message. If it does not detect you then either give nothing or still give the hit indication for the scanner. Now for the whole margin of error message when scanning. This is again something that we could do without. It should be do or don't. the current message tells the scanner there is someone out there. Not where they are sure, but its still a warning. This might be fine if the player(s) scanned got better warning themselves. Again the scanned hit indication thing. I think that will do for now. HAVE A NICE DAY
Keri Starlight 0uter.Heaven Proficiency V. 1582	Posted - 2013.11.28 13:27:00 - [2] - Quote This is... interesting. But Logi's won't like this idea XD -1.7 ranges: AR 42m -> 48m, TAR 65m -> 60m -Goodbye my love, Tac AR "I load my gun with love instead of bullets"
Cat Merc Ahrendee Mercenaries EoN. 4073	Posted - 2013.11.28 13:29:00 - [3] - Quote Keri Starlight wrote: This is... interesting. But Logi's won't like this idea XD They have enough power ups as is. Leave the active scanner for scouts. Shield regeneration bonus for Gallente Assault is about as useful as Sharpshooter for Nova Knives.
TheD1CK Dead Man's Game 54	Posted - 2013.11.28 13:43:00 - [4] - Quote +1 Logi's won't be happy, but you did raise a really good point, Fat-ass Heavy's will get some use out of it and would be quite a useful tool for a HMG user, also come to think of it.... this would allow scouts to use uplinks/scanner which is something they need quite badly
DeadlyAztec11 2280	Posted - 2013.11.28 15:06:00 - [5] - Quote Hell yeah! Madness is the emergency exit. You can just step outside, and close the door on all those dreadful things that happened.
Absolute Idiom II SyNergy Gaming EoN. 896	Posted - 2013.11.28 15:31:00 - [6] - Quote What problem is this trying to solve? Fanfest 2012 - Winning Team + MVP - £1100 in prizes Fanfest 2013 - Winning Team - £500 in prizes Fanfest 2014 - ???
Tallen Ellecon KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION 967	Posted - 2013.11.28 16:32:00 - [7] - Quote "Hudson run a bypass" Hudson carried the tracker and hacked into the control center of Hadley's Hope. Would he be considered an assault or logi? The answer will decide my opinion on this. The Ellecon's come from a long line of Gallente. Tarn chose Peace. Tallen chose war. SoonGäó514
dullrust Subsonic Synthesis RISE of LEGION 33	Posted - 2013.11.29 09:52:00 - [8] - Quote Absolute Idiom II wrote: What problem is this trying to solve? Hmm good question. Nothing in particular I think. Then perhaps there are a few things. Heavies are currently restricted in what they can do for WP. let's see there is kill, hack, or av/ai. None of which gives them WP without direct involvement. every class can do this too plus other stuff on top. Let the big guys take part in a bit more of the game already. Scouts can now be scouts. If folks can't figure out how this would help. Well perhaps you should look for another game. And for assaults its pretty much the same. I'm not going to write the myriad ways this could go. Logi bros... Well I am a proto gall logi. And let's face it I can do anything the other classes can. usually many of them at once. Would it hurt me to actually rely on someone else for something? Nope. Seriously why should the heavy have to? It would be nice to have an extra slot freed up too BTW. I'm very sure this would create some interesting builds. For all the suit types including logis. And in the general squad makeup. In addition to more squad interdependence. This should even help with the dreaded slayer or assault logi. As to the other stuff in the post that had little to do with the actual title. That was mostly just musings. Just stuff that might get some discussion and perhaps other thoughts out there. Well I have rambled enough. HAVE A NICE DAY!
dullrust Subsonic Synthesis RISE of LEGION 34	Posted - 2013.11.29 20:31:00 - [9] - Quote TheD1CK wrote: +1 Logi's won't be happy, but you did raise a really good point, Fat-ass Heavy's will get some use out of it and would be quite a useful tool for a HMG user, also come to think of it.... this would allow scouts to use uplinks/scanner which is something they need quite badly thank you for the like. and its nice you can see the potential for this. Now you make a good point. Why does (almost) everything in or going to be put in the game have to please the logi players? I'll ask another question. Why is the logi supposed to have the easy time pulling 1000+ WP? And why should they get that and 12+ kills a match without even trying? I'm not really complaining. After all I am one. I'm just half assing it matches. And still getting more everything than those that are not logistics. why do the other suits exist again?
abarkrishna WarRavens 86	Posted - 2013.11.30 01:51:00 - [10] - Quote Um you do know that you already can see who is scanning you right. Tip Look for the bright blue flashlight. The logis are fine. The real problem is that many actions that reward WP are specific to equipment use. What should happen is More Wp rewards be added for firefights. For example Revenge kills reward wp. or savior points for saving a teammate by killing the enemy attacking him. I do not get why everyone wants to subtract from the game rather than add to it. As was already said the only real ways for heavies assaults and scouts to earn WP is kills and hacking things. To me that is not proper. Everyone should have an equal chance to earn WP. Get off the nerf band wagon and join the I want this game to rock even more bandwagon. They call me the C.L.I.T commander.

dullrust Subsonic Synthesis RISE of LEGION 36	Posted - 2013.11.30 04:05:00 - [11] - Quote abarkrishna wrote: Um you do know that you already can see who is scanning you right. Tip Look for the bright blue flashlight. The logis are fine. The real problem is that many actions that reward WP are specific to equipment use. What should happen is More Wp rewards be added for firefights. For example Revenge kills reward wp. or savior points for saving a teammate by killing the enemy attacking him. I do not get why everyone wants to subtract from the game rather than add to it. As was already said the only real ways for heavies assaults and scouts to earn WP is kills and hacking things. To me that is not proper. Everyone should have an equal chance to earn WP. Get off the nerf band wagon and join the I want this game to rock even more bandwagon. like I said before almost everything in there was just thoughts. The scanner as a sidearm is not a direct nerf to it nor any suit. to be honest o can even see remotes going into a sidearm slot. Hell folks use them like nades enough already. the idea here is to open up a few avenues in suit builds. And to do it with the least changes to the suits themselves. Also I have never been on the "nerf bandwagon".
Cosgar ParagonX 8088	Posted - 2013.11.30 04:10:00 - [12] - Quote Keri Starlight wrote: This is... interesting. But Logi's won't like this idea XD They're probably going to make a deployable scanner anyway so it evens out. Doubt this will happen anyway. I tried to put a level into Amarr Commando once, but got a server notification saying "Why?"
Fiddler Galaine Northwind Alliance Dark Taboo 50	Posted - 2013.11.30 07:47:00 - [13] - Quote There was something about a deployable scan-blocker somewhere...I don't even care, they're not going to change it.
MINA Longstrike 2Shitz 1Giggle 78	Posted - 2013.11.30 08:00:00 - [14] - Quote this would nerf scouts unless they got a second sidearm, especially minja's who want to use primary weapon + nova knives + scanner.
Midas Fool T.R.I.A.D 234	Posted - 2013.11.30 08:09:00 - [15] - Quote I have been wanting to suggest this FOREVER. Thanks OP +1 all day. For best results press R1 repeatedly. Consult your doctor if your erection persists for more than four hours.
Shinobi MumyoSakanagare ZaShigurui Kinsho Swords Caldari State 143	Posted - 2013.11.30 14:04:00 - [16] - Quote Absolute Idiom II wrote: What problem is this trying to solve? It's trying to keep you from using them . Common sense would tell you that no one in an infantry position would be willing to give up a side arm for a scanner , that's BEYOND stupid . All of you logi's ... you know what ...???... if they did change the logi to just a side arm , then that means that YOU DON'T get to use one either ... * DUH * ... I mean unless your willing to give up YOUR ONLY defense . That's all this would accomplish . Nice try on the bait and switch OP , so you idiots can plus one this brainless ideal all you like . It would do more harm than good . " BANE " of ALL vehicle users , Crush , Kill and Destroy ALL vehicles !!!!!
RKKR The Southern Legion The Umbra Combine 489	Posted - 2013.11.30 14:11:00 - [17] - Quote Meh, old TAcNet system was a lot more fun that this scanner-era
Shinobi MumyoSakanagare ZaShigurui Kinsho Swords Caldari State 143	Posted - 2013.11.30 14:19:00 - [18] - Quote RKKR wrote: Meh, old TAcNet system was a lot more fun that this scanner-era I mean that's ... what a scanner is SUPPOSE to do . For as many times that all of you complain about things that aren't working , now your complaining about something that actually works and does it's job . Can CCP even trust feedback and suggestions from THIS community ..???.. when clearly they don't know what they want . They complain when something doesn't work and complain when something does as well . " BANE " of ALL vehicle users , Crush , Kill and Destroy ALL vehicles !!!!!
Shinobi MumyoSakanagare ZaShigurui Kinsho Swords Caldari State 143	Posted - 2013.11.30 14:23:00 - [19] - Quote dullrust wrote: abarkrishna wrote: Um you do know that you already can see who is scanning you right. Tip Look for the bright blue flashlight. The logis are fine. The real problem is that many actions that reward WP are specific to equipment use. What should happen is More Wp rewards be added for firefights. For example Revenge kills reward wp. or savior points for saving a teammate by killing the enemy attacking him. I do not get why everyone wants to subtract from the game rather than add to it. As was already said the only real ways for heavies assaults and scouts to earn WP is kills and hacking things. To me that is not proper. Everyone should have an equal chance to earn WP. Get off the nerf band wagon and join the I want this game to rock even more bandwagon. like I said before almost everything in there was just thoughts. The scanner as a sidearm is not a direct nerf to it nor any suit. to be honest o can even see remotes going into a sidearm slot. Hell folks use them like nades enough already. the idea here is to open up a few avenues in suit builds. And to do it with the least changes to the suits themselves. Also I have never been on the "nerf bandwagon". THIS AND YOU ARE A JOKE . " BANE " of ALL vehicle users , Crush , Kill and Destroy ALL vehicles !!!!!
Shinobi MumyoSakanagare ZaShigurui Kinsho Swords Caldari State 143	Posted - 2013.11.30 14:30:00 - [20] - Quote dullrust wrote: Absolute Idiom II wrote: What problem is this trying to solve? Hmm good question. Nothing in particular I think. Then perhaps there are a few things. Heavies are currently restricted in what they can do for WP. let's see there is kill, hack, or av/ai. None of which gives them WP without direct involvement. every class can do this too plus other stuff on top. Let the big guys take part in a bit more of the game already. Scouts can now be scouts. If folks can't figure out how this would help. Well perhaps you should look for another game. And for assaults its pretty much the same. I'm not going to write the myriad ways this could go. Logi bros... Well I am a proto gall logi. And let's face it I can do anything the other classes can. usually many of them at once. Would it hurt me to actually rely on someone else for something? Nope. Seriously why should the heavy have to? It would be nice to have an extra slot freed up too BTW. I'm very sure this would create some interesting builds. For all the suit types including logis. And in the general squad makeup. In addition to more squad interdependence. This should even help with the dreaded slayer or assault logi. As to the other stuff in the post that had little to do with the actual title. That was mostly just musings. Just stuff that might get some discussion and perhaps other thoughts out there. Well I have rambled enough. HAVE A NICE DAY! Please don't start with the Heavies . I use Heavies and anyone else who does would see this as a lamebrain ideal . Scouts would NOT like this seeing as how they are trying to nerf any and all weapons and get a buff to their suits and it's abilities . How would this help Logi's ???? Interesting builds ...???... Ignorant builds is more like it . If you want to discuss things get Web , FaceBook and Twitter addresses and talk about mindless things like that . This is a place for serious ideals that WILL HELP this game and it's gameplay . There are already enough people that are bashing the game and it's gameplay . This CRAP just pisses me off . " BANE " of ALL vehicle users , Crush , Kill and Destroy ALL vehicles !!!!!

dullrust Subsonic Synthesis RISE of LEGION 38	Posted - 2013.11.30 20:58:00 - [21] - Quote darn phone!
dullrust Subsonic Synthesis RISE of LEGION 38	Posted - 2013.11.30 21:02:00 - [22] - Quote Shinobi MumyoSakanagare ZaShigurui wrote: dullrust wrote: Absolute Idiom II wrote: What problem is this trying to solve? Hmm good question. Nothing in particular I think. Then perhaps there are a few things. Heavies are currently restricted in what they can do for WP. let's see there is kill, hack, or av/ai. None of which gives them WP without direct involvement. every class can do this too plus other stuff on top. Let the big guys take part in a bit more of the game already. Scouts can now be scouts. If folks can't figure out how this would help. Well perhaps you should look for another game. And for assaults its pretty much the same. I'm not going to write the myriad ways this could go. Logi bros... Well I am a proto gall logi. And let's face it I can do anything the other classes can. usually many of them at once. Would it hurt me to actually rely on someone else for something? Nope. Seriously why should the heavy have to? It would be nice to have an extra slot freed up too BTW. I'm very sure this would create some interesting builds. For all the suit types including logis. And in the general squad makeup. In addition to more squad interdependence. This should even help with the dreaded slayer or assault logi. As to the other stuff in the post that had little to do with the actual title. That was mostly just musings. Just stuff that might get some discussion and perhaps other thoughts out there. Well I have rambled enough. HAVE A NICE DAY! Please don't start with the Heavies . I use Heavies and anyone else who does would see this as a lamebrain ideal . Scouts would NOT like this seeing as how they are trying to nerf any and all weapons and get a buff to their suits and it's abilities . How would this help Logi's ???? Interesting builds ...???... Ignorant builds is more like it . If you want to discuss things get Web , FaceBook and Twitter addresses and talk about mindless things like that . This is a place for serious ideals that WILL HELP this game and it's gameplay . There are already enough people that are bashing the game and it's gameplay . This CRAP just pisses me off . wow someone needs to pull the baseball bat out of their behind. but thank you for your opinions both of me and my ideas HAVE A NICE DAY!
RKKR The Southern Legion The Umbra Combine 491	Posted - 2013.11.30 21:19:00 - [23] - Quote Shinobi MumyoSakanagare ZaShigurui wrote: RKKR wrote: Meh, old TAcNet system was a lot more fun that this scanner-era I mean that's ... what a scanner is SUPPOSE to do . For as many times that all of you complain about things that aren't working , now your complaining about something that actually works and does it's job . Can CCP even trust feedback and suggestions from THIS community ..???.. when clearly they don't know what they want . They complain when something doesn't work and complain when something does as well . Sure it works, that doesn't make it great and what is a scout supposed to do? For the record: This is feedback, I didn't see anyone complaining about the TacNet system in the past, but I did see people complaining about actual problems that still aren't fixed while all the while CCP was claiming they were working on priorities as a reason to ignore other stuff.
abarkrishna WarRavens 86	Posted - 2013.12.01 03:03:00 - [24] - Quote How is it not a direct nerf to logis? Sure you can use the active scanner but now you can not shoot anyone and will die 20 times a match. To answer the question about what scouts are supposed to do. They are the flankers. They run around behind the enemy and deploy uplinks so that heavies assault and logis can flank. Scouts take out enemy equipment that give them tactical advantages. It makes sense for a logi to have the scanner because he is meant to be behind his front line healing and resupplying and scanning. They call me the C.L.I.T commander.


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