DUST Search - Rather than sidearm-only logis...

Mordecai Sanguine wrote:

Emerald Bellerophon wrote:

Give every logi a role bonus reduction to equipment pg/cpu like the Gal logi has now, and cut back on suit pg/cpu. The intended effect is that the logis will still be able to fit all the equipment the want, but have to cut back on mods or weapons to do it (e.g. GEK and not Duvolle), or else cut equipment and still end up an inferior version of an assault suit.

I like how this idea for sidearm-only logis has been kicked around for months and only now everyone's talking about it. I guess it's the forum's fotm.

In fact i already got this idea i was writting it like....right now in fact (with numbers and others).
This is actually the best idea so far.
It will be a huge nerf to Murder Logi and others not using the suits as intended.
And a really light nerf to real logi or Balanced logi.

But i dunno how the Amarr Logi will still be the combat logi after that.
(A sidearm doesn't not make a suit for battle.)

Anyway i'll make a clean topic in 30min / 2 hours ^^

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Emerald Bellerophon Nenikekamen 33	Posted - 2013.11.27 04:03:00 - [1] - Quote Give every logi a role bonus reduction to equipment pg/cpu like the Gal logi has now, and cut back on suit pg/cpu. The intended effect is that the logis will still be able to fit all the equipment the want, but have to cut back on mods or weapons to do it (e.g. GEK and not Duvolle), or else cut equipment and still end up an inferior version of an assault suit. I like how this idea for sidearm-only logis has been kicked around for months and only now everyone's talking about it. I guess it's the forum's fotm.
hackerzilla Defenders of the Helghast Dream 534	Posted - 2013.11.27 04:09:00 - [2] - Quote Nah, thats gimping logis too much, I think the only sidearm is a pretty good nerf... The best defense in not a good offense, it's a good defense.
Fizzer94 L.O.T.I.S. Public Disorder. 1017	Posted - 2013.11.27 04:38:00 - [3] - Quote hackerzilla wrote: Nah, thats gimping logis too much, I think the only sidearm is a pretty good nerf... Sidearm-only is a way bigger nerf than what he is suggesting. [+ªa¦Ç+¦++-ö-Å94] Level 1 Forum Warrior The Plasma Cannon is not underpowered
Tectonic Fusion 605	Posted - 2013.11.27 04:47:00 - [4] - Quote I think just make the slots the same besides the Amarr, and take away the built in armor rep. Making it the Gallente bonus, and putting a better bonus for the galene logi. Solo Player Squad status: Locked
Mr Machine Guns Nyain San Renegade Alliance 172	Posted - 2013.11.27 04:52:00 - [5] - Quote Tectonic Fusion wrote: I think just make the slots the same besides the Amarr, and take away the built in armor rep. Making it the Gallente bonus, and putting a better bonus for the galene logi. The Gallente Logi bonus is a good one already. What i think they can do is give all assault drop suits a weapon bonus for using their weapon tech. Second is to stop armor stacking is for Gallente you put damage mods on the low slot for them so it pretty much stops them from stacking two things on their suits
TheAmazing FlyingPig Crux Special Tasks Group Gallente Federation 4700	Posted - 2013.11.27 04:52:00 - [6] - Quote This is only mildly treating a symptom of the root cause of the problem - CCP is defining suit types by slot counts instead of role bonuses. Give the second link in my sig a read. Never forget How to fix the Logi
Cosgar ParagonX 8034	Posted - 2013.11.27 04:58:00 - [7] - Quote Make assaults better than a medium suit with 2 bonuses and a white coat of paint. I tried to put a level into Amarr Commando once, but got a server notification saying "Why?"
RedZer0 MK1 The Generals 107	Posted - 2013.11.27 05:16:00 - [8] - Quote This has been suggested (by me and others), no one wants to hear it for some reason. It makes more sense than side arm limiting, or any of the crazy stuff people have said. Plus, its a function already present in the game. Easy to implement.
Emerald Bellerophon Nenikekamen 33	Posted - 2013.11.27 17:17:00 - [9] - Quote I hate to hit the "make duat like eve" note, but role-specific bonuses in the internet spaceship game make many of the ships fit their roles. A stealth bomber gets bonuses for a covert ops cloak and bomb launchers, so that's what you use it for. You can use it for something else, but then it's just a ****** frigate. Dust can use this logic. It's really very simple.
Pokey Dravon OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 1089	Posted - 2013.11.27 17:19:00 - [10] - Quote Looks like the OP read chapter 2 of my ADS report... original post is almost copied from my Logistics section. https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=1520867#post1520867 ADS Reports - Defining Racial Themes

Lv2spd2 Slow And Old 98	Posted - 2013.11.27 17:20:00 - [11] - Quote How about a 200% (or more) fitting penalty to ADV and PROTO tier weapons for logis? Add the same for Damage mods. Job done. Unless people are actually scared of "slayers" using undamage modded ARs.
God Hates Lags Red Star. EoN. 459	Posted - 2013.11.27 17:20:00 - [12] - Quote My vote is to nerf their high and low slots, keep equipment and weapon slots as is. High and low slots are where the logis extra combat effectiveness comes from, nerf those and we're good. Doubles ISK
Emerald Bellerophon Nenikekamen 34	Posted - 2013.11.27 17:59:00 - [13] - Quote Pokey Dravon wrote: Looks like the OP read chapter 2 of my ADS report... original post is almost copied from my Logistics section. https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=1520867#post1520867 Not until now. I just took a peek at the forums last night for the first time in a while and saw this ridiculous debate going on. Having played eve off and on for 7 years, the solution took all of 5 seconds to imagine. Perhaps CCP employees don't talk amongst themselves much. I do like your work, though.
Emerald Bellerophon Nenikekamen 34	Posted - 2013.11.27 18:07:00 - [14] - Quote Lv2spd2 wrote: How about a 200% (or more) fitting penalty to ADV and PROTO tier weapons for logis? Add the same for Damage mods. Job done. Unless people are actually scared of "slayers" using undamage modded ARs. Why not just design the thing for its intended purpose in the first place? On one hand, you can provide the incentive to fill the intended role, or on the other, you can play whack-a-mole with the nerfbat like you suggest and make this game an even bigger mess than it already is.
Fire of Prometheus DUST University Ivy League 1793	Posted - 2013.11.27 18:08:00 - [15] - Quote Problem solved right here https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=123600&find=unread "It is the mark of an educated mind to entertain a thought without accepting it." -Aristotle I'll take your Iskies
Pokey Dravon OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 1095	Posted - 2013.11.27 18:09:00 - [16] - Quote Emerald Bellerophon wrote: Pokey Dravon wrote: Looks like the OP read chapter 2 of my ADS report... original post is almost copied from my Logistics section. https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=1520867#post1520867 Not until now. I just took a peek at the forums last night for the first time in a while and saw this ridiculous debate going on. Having played eve off and on for 7 years, the solution took all of 5 seconds to imagine. Perhaps CCP employees don't talk amongst themselves much. I do like your work, though. Fair enough. Yeah unfortunately most of the playerbase has band-aid ideas that usually don't really fix the big picture, or they require weird mechanics that violate existing conventions. I will stress time and time again that simply by manipulating bonuses, CPU/PG, and sometimes slot layouts; all dropsuit roles can be easily balanced. None of this Logi Sidearm only crap or forcing them to max out their equipment slots. If CCP wants the players to use a suit in a certain way, they need to encourage it through bonuses, not rip away abilities. EDIT: -_- like this guy Fire of Prometheus wrote: Problem solved right here https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=123600&find=unread Removing damage mods is asinine. You don't need to fix a cracked glass by throwing it away, you just need to fix it. Forcing people to equip equipment is also asinine. You're trying to force the role, not encourage it. Encourage equipment use by making it cheap to equip...shoving it down their throat is not conducive to good game design. The third suggestion is a good one though, I fully support making Assaults better at killing with an adjustment to damage mods to make them more reasonable. ADS Reports - Defining Racial Themes
Korvin Lomont United Pwnage Service RISE of LEGION 278	Posted - 2013.11.27 18:28:00 - [17] - Quote Mr Machine Guns wrote: Tectonic Fusion wrote: I think just make the slots the same besides the Amarr, and take away the built in armor rep. Making it the Gallente bonus, and putting a better bonus for the galene logi. The Gallente Logi bonus is a good one already. What i think they can do is give all assault drop suits a weapon bonus for using their weapon tech. Second is to stop armor stacking is for Gallente you put damage mods on the low slot for them so it pretty much stops them from stacking two things on their suits You know that there are already a lot more usefull lowslot modules than highslot modules? So we really don't need more lowslot modules but more usefull highslot modules, some that make taking damage mods over them a hard choice.
Jakar Umbra Militaires-Sans-Frontieres 417	Posted - 2013.11.27 18:41:00 - [18] - Quote Emerald Bellerophon wrote: Give every logi a role bonus reduction to equipment pg/cpu like the Gal logi has now, and cut back on suit pg/cpu. The intended effect is that the logis will still be able to fit all the equipment the want, but have to cut back on mods or weapons to do it (e.g. GEK and not Duvolle), or else cut equipment and still end up an inferior version of an assault suit. I like how this idea for sidearm-only logis has been kicked around for months and only now everyone's talking about it. I guess it's the forum's fotm. I've stated seen this idea somewhere. You sure you didn't read this idea in another thread? Author of Umbra's Short Stories. Last story posted 11/25/2013.
Emerald Bellerophon Nenikekamen 35	Posted - 2013.11.27 18:51:00 - [19] - Quote Jakar Umbra wrote: Emerald Bellerophon wrote: Give every logi a role bonus reduction to equipment pg/cpu like the Gal logi has now, and cut back on suit pg/cpu. The intended effect is that the logis will still be able to fit all the equipment the want, but have to cut back on mods or weapons to do it (e.g. GEK and not Duvolle), or else cut equipment and still end up an inferior version of an assault suit. I like how this idea for sidearm-only logis has been kicked around for months and only now everyone's talking about it. I guess it's the forum's fotm. I've stated seen this idea somewhere. You sure you didn't read this idea in another thread? I haven't read your thread, and obviously you haven't read very far through mine. In case my "likes received" didn't give it away enough: I'm not actually on these forums much.
Mordecai Sanguine What The French 172	Posted - 2013.11.27 18:54:00 - [20] - Quote Emerald Bellerophon wrote: Give every logi a role bonus reduction to equipment pg/cpu like the Gal logi has now, and cut back on suit pg/cpu. The intended effect is that the logis will still be able to fit all the equipment the want, but have to cut back on mods or weapons to do it (e.g. GEK and not Duvolle), or else cut equipment and still end up an inferior version of an assault suit. I like how this idea for sidearm-only logis has been kicked around for months and only now everyone's talking about it. I guess it's the forum's fotm. In fact i already got this idea i was writting it like....right now in fact (with numbers and others). This is actually the best idea so far. It will be a huge nerf to Murder Logi and others not using the suits as intended. And a really light nerf to real logi or Balanced logi. But i dunno how the Amarr Logi will still be the combat logi after that. (A sidearm doesn't not make a suit for battle.) Anyway i'll make a clean topic in 30min / 2 hours ^^

Emerald Bellerophon Nenikekamen 36	Posted - 2013.11.27 18:56:00 - [21] - Quote Mordecai Sanguine wrote: Emerald Bellerophon wrote: Give every logi a role bonus reduction to equipment pg/cpu like the Gal logi has now, and cut back on suit pg/cpu. The intended effect is that the logis will still be able to fit all the equipment the want, but have to cut back on mods or weapons to do it (e.g. GEK and not Duvolle), or else cut equipment and still end up an inferior version of an assault suit. I like how this idea for sidearm-only logis has been kicked around for months and only now everyone's talking about it. I guess it's the forum's fotm. In fact i already got this idea i was writting it like....right now in fact (with numbers and others). This is actually the best idea so far. It will be a huge nerf to Murder Logi and others not using the suits as intended. And a really light nerf to real logi or Balanced logi. But i dunno how the Amarr Logi will still be the combat logi after that. (A sidearm doesn't not make a suit for battle.) Anyway i'll make a clean topic in 30min / 2 hours ^^ The more the merrier. :0)
Pokey Dravon OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 1100	Posted - 2013.11.27 18:58:00 - [22] - Quote Jakar Umbra wrote: Emerald Bellerophon wrote: Give every logi a role bonus reduction to equipment pg/cpu like the Gal logi has now, and cut back on suit pg/cpu. The intended effect is that the logis will still be able to fit all the equipment the want, but have to cut back on mods or weapons to do it (e.g. GEK and not Duvolle), or else cut equipment and still end up an inferior version of an assault suit. I like how this idea for sidearm-only logis has been kicked around for months and only now everyone's talking about it. I guess it's the forum's fotm. I've stated seen this idea somewhere. You sure you didn't read this idea in another thread? And my thread is dated long before that link. Ideas get recycled and sometimes people have the same idea. At the end of the day what matters is making the game better and having a good discussion about how to go about doing that. ADS Reports - Defining Racial Themes
KEROSIINI-TERO The Rainbow Effect 869	Posted - 2013.11.27 19:11:00 - [23] - Quote Emerald Bellerophon wrote: Give every logi a role bonus reduction to equipment pg/cpu like the Gal logi has now, and cut back on suit pg/cpu. The intended effect is that the logis will still be able to fit all the equipment the want, but have to cut back on mods or weapons to do it (e.g. GEK and not Duvolle), or else cut equipment and still end up an inferior version of an assault suit. I like how this idea for sidearm-only logis has been kicked around for months and only now everyone's talking about it. I guess it's the forum's fotm. This truly is the best solution which also doesn't break anything else or require much coding. And it addresses the biggest problem what people are complaining about: Full Slayers ignoring their EQ slots and using that extra PG+CPU to fit HIs and LOs full of complex. Feeling the scanner is too simple and off balance? The fix:


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