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Cat Merc Ahrendee Mercenaries EoN. 4053	Posted - 2013.11.26 16:25:00 - [1] - Quote So after talking with people on general discussions, this is how I think logis should be: Logistics: Replace light slot with sidearm Remove grenades Give it same base eHP as Assault (They have more slots so HP is actually higher in the end) Same base speed as Assault Give it logi orientated bonuses Assaults: Remove equipment Give damage orientated bonuses Results: Even with heavily gimped firepower, logistics are extremely vital on the battlefield, and they will be far from extinct in PC matches. They will also be tougher and faster, allowing them to do their job. Shield regeneration bonus for Gallente Assault is about as useful as Sharpshooter for Nova Knives.
OuchKing kz HDYLTA Defiant Legacy 4	Posted - 2013.11.26 16:40:00 - [2] - Quote How about this? All CCP have to do with Logis is to put in these two requirements: 1: All equipment slots are required to be filled on a logi suit 2: Light weapon meta level can not be higher than lowest meta level of any of the equipments you are carrying So if you put on a Duvolle and 4 proto equipments, then you will have like 400 total HP (not enough CPU/PG for extenders and plates). But you can still have decent HP if only equip base AR. This will be the perfect separation between Logis and Assaults. Basically, fully decked out Logis will always be inferior to fully decked out Assaults of the same level at slaying. what do you guys think? HDYLTA - Freedom Delivered
Eskel Bondfree DUST University Ivy League 174	Posted - 2013.11.26 18:31:00 - [3] - Quote How about bringing the suit bonuses of logi and assault in order first, before doing anything else?
Alena Ventrallis Osmon Surveillance Caldari State 166	Posted - 2013.11.26 18:35:00 - [4] - Quote OuchKing kz wrote: How about this? All CCP have to do with Logis is to put in these two requirements: 1: All equipment slots are required to be filled on a logi suit 2: Light weapon meta level can not be higher than lowest meta level of any of the equipments you are carrying So if you put on a Duvolle and 4 proto equipments, then you will have like 400 total HP (not enough CPU/PG for extenders and plates). But you can still have decent HP if only equip base AR. This will be the perfect separation between Logis and Assaults. Basically, fully decked out Logis will always be inferior to fully decked out Assaults of the same level at slaying. what do you guys think? I disagree with 2. People should be able to run what they want. Instead, remove the 10% damage buff all weapons got, and give assaults 2% damage per level instead of shield recharge.
Mordecai Sanguine What The French 156	Posted - 2013.11.26 19:57:00 - [5] - Quote Cat Merc wrote: So after talking with people on general discussions, this is how I think logis should be: Logistics: Replace light slot with sidearm Remove grenades Give it same base eHP as Assault (They have more slots so HP is actually higher in the end) Same base speed as Assault Give it logi orientated bonuses Assaults: Remove equipment Give damage orientated bonuses Results: Even with heavily gimped firepower, logistics are extremely vital on the battlefield, and they will be far from extinct in PC matches. They will also be tougher and faster, allowing them to do their job. No. Your opinion came of "Non-Logi". Do that they're will be no logi AND no equipements. Grenades is like an equipement not an assault item. Stop taking pinions ONLY from assaults players or Logi-Slayers who are Logi since 2 months --' Try taking advices from REAL logi playing ONLY LOGI.
Trey Hardin Knights of Molden Heath 41	Posted - 2013.11.26 20:02:00 - [6] - Quote how am I suppose to defend the man I am picking up when he was killed with an AR out of rang of the SMG Veni Vidi Contrivi - I came I saw I Destroyed
Arkena Wyrnspire Turalyon 514 Turalyon Alliance 5421	Posted - 2013.11.26 20:04:00 - [7] - Quote Trey Hardin wrote: how am I suppose to defend the man I am picking up when he was killed with an AR out of rang of the SMG Apparently, you're not meant to. You're not allowed to throw grenades to suppress anyone whilst you try to rescue someone either. Level 5 Forum Warrior Lenin of the glorious armoured revolution Supporter of CCP raRaRa.
Cat Merc Ahrendee Mercenaries EoN. 4057	Posted - 2013.11.26 20:04:00 - [8] - Quote Trey Hardin wrote: how am I suppose to defend the man I am picking up when he was killed with an AR out of rang of the SMG If the guy is still watching, he will die regardless. That's why you have backup. Shield regeneration bonus for Gallente Assault is about as useful as Sharpshooter for Nova Knives.
Cat Merc Ahrendee Mercenaries EoN. 4057	Posted - 2013.11.26 20:04:00 - [9] - Quote Mordecai Sanguine wrote: Cat Merc wrote: So after talking with people on general discussions, this is how I think logis should be: Logistics: Replace light slot with sidearm Remove grenades Give it same base eHP as Assault (They have more slots so HP is actually higher in the end) Same base speed as Assault Give it logi orientated bonuses Assaults: Remove equipment Give damage orientated bonuses Results: Even with heavily gimped firepower, logistics are extremely vital on the battlefield, and they will be far from extinct in PC matches. They will also be tougher and faster, allowing them to do their job. No. Your opinion came of "Non-Logi". Do that they're will be no logi AND no equipements. Grenades is like an equipement not an assault item. Stop taking pinions ONLY from assaults players or Logi-Slayers who are Logi since 2 months --' Try taking advices from REAL logi playing ONLY LOGI. Actually, true logis that I know suggested this. Shield regeneration bonus for Gallente Assault is about as useful as Sharpshooter for Nova Knives.
Den-tredje Baron The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY 250	Posted - 2013.11.26 20:25:00 - [10] - Quote Cat Merc wrote: So after talking with people on general discussions, this is how I think logis should be: Logistics: Replace light slot with sidearm Remove grenades Give it same base eHP as Assault (They have more slots so HP is actually higher in the end) Same base speed as Assault Give it logi orientated bonuses Assaults: Remove equipment Give damage orientated bonuses Results: Even with heavily gimped firepower, logistics are extremely vital on the battlefield, and they will be far from extinct in PC matches. They will also be tougher and faster, allowing them to do their job. Meeeh Actually remove grenades would be a pretty decent tweak to logistics and that's actrually pretty smart. For the love of god don't switch light slot to sidearms We've been over this and it's stupid so just drop that one. Though that is the only point where i'm really against you. I think evening logi and assaults on both EHP and base speed won't really do anything. Having this kind of gap between assaults and logis is a good thing and doesn't actually need tweaking. Removing equipment is a bit harsh towards assaults instead of doing this i would maybe look into the "tweaking" of suply depots and how many equipments people should be able to drop aka how many suply depots there should be and making logis able to only drop 3 of any kind of equipment and not just 3 pieces of specific name.

Mordecai Sanguine What The French 156	Posted - 2013.11.26 20:25:00 - [11] - Quote Cat Merc wrote: Mordecai Sanguine wrote: Cat Merc wrote: So after talking with people on general discussions, this is how I think logis should be: Logistics: Replace light slot with sidearm Remove grenades Give it same base eHP as Assault (They have more slots so HP is actually higher in the end) Same base speed as Assault Give it logi orientated bonuses Assaults: Remove equipment Give damage orientated bonuses Results: Even with heavily gimped firepower, logistics are extremely vital on the battlefield, and they will be far from extinct in PC matches. They will also be tougher and faster, allowing them to do their job. No. Your opinion came of "Non-Logi". Do that they're will be no logi AND no equipements. Grenades is like an equipement not an assault item. Stop taking pinions ONLY from assaults players or Logi-Slayers who are Logi since 2 months --' Try taking advices from REAL logi playing ONLY LOGI. Actually, true logis that I know suggested this. Nope. If they're was they'll know Sidearms only means : Impossible to follow any teamate and help him. Because you will be outranged ALL THE TIME. Dying all the time you'll more like a rock stuck to the feet of you teamates. This will maybe work if you're full proto against Advanced / Standard / Militia. But if not it's over you lost. The day Sidearms only will be viable. It's when Small deployale turrets for logi or personal drones will be available ONLY for logi. Logi is meant to be support fire and suppressive. Light weapons is too powerful to that and Sidearms is useless and too weak. And if it depends of the player it will not be balanced. Bring Turrets for Logi. (Like in Borderlands). Or combat drones (Killzone) and then you can only carry a Sidearm.
Trey Hardin Knights of Molden Heath 41	Posted - 2013.11.26 20:37:00 - [12] - Quote Arkena Wyrnspire wrote: Trey Hardin wrote: how am I suppose to defend the man I am picking up when he was killed with an AR out of rang of the SMG Apparently, you're not meant to. You're not allowed to throw grenades to suppress anyone whilst you try to rescue someone either. Thanks Cat what I meant was how am I supposed to kill the man if I can see him and I need to be able to defend myself too Veni Vidi Contrivi - I came I saw I Destroyed
RKKR The Southern Legion The Umbra Combine 476	Posted - 2013.11.26 20:48:00 - [13] - Quote Remove grenades? Don't let me laugh cat. First step is to balance the grenade game, then you can try and suggest new things. Now I think of it, maybe your next thread could start with: "This is how I think DUST514 should be" instead of pinpointing 1 problem of this game over and over and over and over and over again.
alias lycan Federated Consultants PMC Lokun Listamenn 1	Posted - 2013.11.26 21:21:00 - [14] - Quote why don't we just start with the simple idea of invalidating logi fittings for not using equipment slots and see where that goes that's what the extra cpu and pg is for anyway
Mordecai Sanguine What The French 157	Posted - 2013.11.26 21:30:00 - [15] - Quote alias lycan wrote: why don't we just start with the simple idea of invalidating logi fittings for not using equipment slots and see where that goes that's what the extra cpu and pg is for anyway Still useless. MurderLogi will fit 3 compact nanohives..... No we must invalid suits that don't use at least 25 % of the PG or CPU in equipements slots (Logi suits only)
Talos Vagheitan Ancient Exiles. Renegade Alliance 235	Posted - 2013.11.26 23:32:00 - [16] - Quote Change the suit bonuses Logistics: CPU/PG bonus reduction to equipment slots. Encourage logi's to use equipment. Assault: CPU/PG bonus reduction to high slots. Assault suit will suddenly appeal to people who like to stack DMG MODS. Who cares what some sniper has to say
Cosgar ParagonX 8020	Posted - 2013.11.27 01:20:00 - [17] - Quote Give assaults 25% more base armor or shields and 10% CPU or PG (depending on race) compared to basic medium frames. Give all assaults +25% base shield recharge. Change the assault bonus to CPU/PG fitting reduction on weapons (genades included) and weapon mods. Change the Gallente assault racial to +2% plate efficacy or -2% movement penalty per level. Make the assault more attractive than the logistics by making it better than the basic frame. I tried to put a level into Amarr Commando once, but got a server notification saying "Why?"


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