DUST Search - CCP listen to a Vet Not the QQ

Sev Alcatraz wrote:

You have a Dieing game and it needs to change you are making the wrong choices when it comes to balance.

There is currently ONE winning combination A logistics suit (the very suit designed to Support all other suits and NOT push objectives on its own)
And The humble Assault rifle A high recoil weapon purpose built for mid range combat with high damage

But for some reason People have discovered that You can tank a Logi suit higher than Anything else on the field making everything else obsolete And combine this walking tank with 4 equipment slots with a turbo controller to completely negate the recoil and you now fill every role on the field

How do you fix this you may ask?

Strip the Logi suits down to 1 High and 1 Low slot thus forcing them and others to use other suits on the field at which point then have a purpose for the heavy scout and assault suits again.

Assault rifles. this is a different matter, Combined with a turbo controller it has no recoil, Write a bit of code that will lock up the rifle after the trigger is pulled a certain number of times in a second if it is over the allocated amount of pulls (or button pushes) = jam,

Add an overheat on all rifles to even further negate the turo users which will even out the playing field for EVERY OTHER PLAYER

I can see why you don't Change things that are broken, because 98% of the player base is exploiting the **** out of it and if you change it you will loose them, but if you don't change it you will never grow.

Just STOP LISTENING TO ALL THESE CHILDREN WHO WANT IT TO BE A COD Copy Paste YOU HAVE NEGLECTED YOUR ORIGINAL PLAYER BASE AND FOR THAT YOU ARE PAYING FOR IT
Remember all the Player run corporations that you first did the spotlight's on a long time ago? well they all quit this game for the same reason, NOTHING WAS BALANCED EVER the game isn't fun for the people who play fair.

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Sev Alcatraz Commando Perkone Caldari State 321	Posted - 2013.11.26 16:23:00 - [1] - Quote You have a Dieing game and it needs to change you are making the wrong choices when it comes to balance. There is currently ONE winning combination A logistics suit (the very suit designed to Support all other suits and NOT push objectives on its own) And The humble Assault rifle A high recoil weapon purpose built for mid range combat with high damage But for some reason People have discovered that You can tank a Logi suit higher than Anything else on the field making everything else obsolete And combine this walking tank with 4 equipment slots with a turbo controller to completely negate the recoil and you now fill every role on the field How do you fix this you may ask? Strip the Logi suits down to 1 High and 1 Low slot thus forcing them and others to use other suits on the field at which point then have a purpose for the heavy scout and assault suits again. Assault rifles. this is a different matter, Combined with a turbo controller it has no recoil, Write a bit of code that will lock up the rifle after the trigger is pulled a certain number of times in a second if it is over the allocated amount of pulls (or button pushes) = jam, Add an overheat on all rifles to even further negate the turo users which will even out the playing field for EVERY OTHER PLAYER I can see why you don't Change things that are broken, because 98% of the player base is exploiting the **** out of it and if you change it you will loose them, but if you don't change it you will never grow. Just STOP LISTENING TO ALL THESE CHILDREN WHO WANT IT TO BE A COD Copy Paste YOU HAVE NEGLECTED YOUR ORIGINAL PLAYER BASE AND FOR THAT YOU ARE PAYING FOR IT Remember all the Player run corporations that you first did the spotlight's on a long time ago? well they all quit this game for the same reason, NOTHING WAS BALANCED EVER the game isn't fun for the people who play fair.
TheAmazing FlyingPig Crux Special Tasks Group Gallente Federation 4683	Posted - 2013.11.26 16:27:00 - [2] - Quote Horrible idea. Absolutely terrible. Here's a better one that doesn't leave the logi crippled and worthless. Never forget Level 4 Forum Warrior King of airborne swine.
Viktor Hadah Jr Critical-Impact 1230	Posted - 2013.11.26 16:29:00 - [3] - Quote Tbh listening to vets and QQ is one In the same at this point in time. For the Empire Dual tanking is a sin BPO's are bad for economy, Respec's are bad for the game. Want to fight about it?
Izlare Lenix FREE AGENTS LP 14	Posted - 2013.11.26 16:30:00 - [4] - Quote Most of us all knew logi suits were OP when we trained them so whatever you do CCP, for the love of sweet baby jesus, don't hand out a respec. A respec will just make everyone jump over to the next strongest suit and this cycle well start all over.
TranquilBiscuit ofVaLoR F.T.U. 699	Posted - 2013.11.26 16:33:00 - [5] - Quote Sev Alcatraz wrote: You have a Dieing game and it needs to change you are making the wrong choices when it comes to balance. There is currently ONE winning combination A logistics suit (the very suit designed to Support all other suits and NOT push objectives on its own) And The humble Assault rifle A high recoil weapon purpose built for mid range combat with high damage But for some reason People have discovered that You can tank a Logi suit higher than Anything else on the field making everything else obsolete And combine this walking tank with 4 equipment slots with a turbo controller to completely negate the recoil and you now fill every role on the field How do you fix this you may ask? Strip the Logi suits down to 1 High and 1 Low slot thus forcing them and others to use other suits on the field at which point then have a purpose for the heavy scout and assault suits again. Assault rifles. this is a different matter, Combined with a turbo controller it has no recoil, Write a bit of code that will lock up the rifle after the trigger is pulled a certain number of times in a second if it is over the allocated amount of pulls (or button pushes) = jam, Add an overheat on all rifles to even further negate the turo users which will even out the playing field for EVERY OTHER PLAYER I can see why you don't Change things that are broken, because 98% of the player base is exploiting the ** out of it and if you change it you will loose them, but if you don't change it you will never grow. Just STOP LISTENING TO ALL THESE CHILDREN WHO WANT IT TO BE A COD Copy Paste YOU HAVE NEGLECTED YOUR ORIGINAL PLAYER BASE AND FOR THAT YOU ARE PAYING FOR IT Remember all the Player run corporations that you first did the spotlight's on a long time ago? well they all quit this game for the same reason, NOTHING WAS BALANCED EVER the game isn't fun for the people who play fair. this is a terrible idea. not to be mean, but what have you been smoking? stripping a PROTO suit to one high and one low causes EVERY race of logi to lose diversity, and that's what this game is about. giving rifles overheat? umm, no. no reason to. its already being nerfed! just wait and see if that is enough, before further complaining. I agree some things need to be changed, but the suggestions you have are NOT the way to do it. Tell me, how exactly DOES a biscuit gain Valor?**
Cody Sietz Unkn0wn Killers Renegade Alliance 1585	Posted - 2013.11.26 16:33:00 - [6] - Quote TheAmazing FlyingPig wrote: Horrible idea. Absolutely terrible. Here's a better one that doesn't leave the logi crippled and worthless. Sorry, but i really don't see why a Cal Logi has the same amount of Lows as my Gal Assault and has a built-in rep. "I do agree with you there though. shudders" -Arkena Wyrnspire
Preacher Death 2 Lockheed Dynamics 62	Posted - 2013.11.26 16:34:00 - [7] - Quote Sev Alcatraz wrote: the game isn't fun for the people who play fair. Well there's your problem. Also, welcome to Eve.
Viktor Hadah Jr Critical-Impact 1230	Posted - 2013.11.26 16:37:00 - [8] - Quote Preacher Death 2 wrote: Sev Alcatraz wrote: the game isn't fun for the people who play fair. Well there's your problem. Also, welcome to Eve. Lol dafuq if you're playing fair you are playing wrong. For the Empire Dual tanking is a sin BPO's are bad for economy, Respec's are bad for the game. Want to fight about it?
TheAmazing FlyingPig Crux Special Tasks Group Gallente Federation 4685	Posted - 2013.11.26 16:40:00 - [9] - Quote Cody Sietz wrote: TheAmazing FlyingPig wrote: Horrible idea. Absolutely terrible. Here's a better one that doesn't leave the logi crippled and worthless. Sorry, but i really don't see why a Cal Logi has the same amount of Lows as my Gal Assault and has a built-in rep. The problem is that everyone is trying to define classes purely with slot counts and resource pools, which is inherently a terrible system. In every case, you'd only pick the class with more slots because "MOAR SLOTZ". Give the thread I linked a read (at least the TL;DR). Never forget How to fix the Logi
Reav Hannari Red Rock Outriders 1968	Posted - 2013.11.26 16:40:00 - [10] - Quote I'm a veteran that runs lightly tanked Minmatar Logistics, arguably the one with the weakest defenses to start with and Minmatar Scout, also the weakest tank in its class and I rarely use AR even though I have proficiency with it. I can place in the top 3 of most public matches even though I usually run solo. I've been able to turn the tides of battles as long as I'm not going against a full squad of skilled players with nothing but scared blueberries to back me up. Maybe they should listen to me too? Don't change the slot layout of logistics. Give assaults a reason to run assault suits. // Logistics / Scout / Dropship Crash Tester // https://twitter.com/reesnoturana

Sev Alcatraz Commando Perkone Caldari State 323	Posted - 2013.11.26 16:48:00 - [11] - Quote I still say nerf the **** out of the logi problem solved
TheAmazing FlyingPig Crux Special Tasks Group Gallente Federation 4686	Posted - 2013.11.26 16:51:00 - [12] - Quote Sev Alcatraz wrote: I still say nerf the **** out of the logi problem solved It fixes a symptom of a broken system and shifts the FotM elsewhere, essentially solving nothing. Never forget How to fix the Logi
Cody Sietz Unkn0wn Killers Renegade Alliance 1587	Posted - 2013.11.26 17:03:00 - [13] - Quote TheAmazing FlyingPig wrote: Cody Sietz wrote: TheAmazing FlyingPig wrote: Horrible idea. Absolutely terrible. Here's a better one that doesn't leave the logi crippled and worthless. Sorry, but i really don't see why a Cal Logi has the same amount of Lows as my Gal Assault and has a built-in rep. The problem is that everyone is trying to define classes purely with slot counts and resource pools, which is inherently a terrible system. In every case, you'd only pick the class with more slots because "MOAR SLOTZ". Give the thread I linked a read (at least the TL;DR). I did, and it makes a lot of good points. But at the end of the day, it's once thing for a Gal Logi to have more armour then a Gal Assault but when a shield based suit can tank better it's kind of nerve racking. I'm not saying to nerf Logi slots, I agree that the assault needs a buff somehow but even if it's done how can do our job better then a Logi can. "I do agree with you there though. shudders" -Arkena Wyrnspire
Thor Odinson42 Molon Labe. RISE of LEGION 2021	Posted - 2013.11.26 17:09:00 - [14] - Quote Izlare Lenix wrote: Most of us all knew logi suits were OP when we trained them so whatever you do CCP, for the love of sweet baby jesus, don't hand out a respec. A respec will just make everyone jump over to the next strongest suit and this cycle well start all over. Then you may as well just delete the game. Honestly, take a moment to reflect on what you propose. Take into account the number of people that have left the game due to nerfs, boredom, and/or the new generation consoles. We don't have the luxury of 10 years of credibility built up in a completely different market of gamers to lean on. We have a game that the developers from a PC MMO decided to go into uncharted territory with Dust 514. If they move the needle too far into the PC MMO realm we have a dead game and that's the bottom line. Remove time in battle from ISK payout formula and provide a bonus to winning team... Watch battles become fun again.
Rei Shepard The Rainbow Effect 1135	Posted - 2013.11.26 17:13:00 - [15] - Quote Izlare Lenix wrote: Most of us all knew logi suits were OP when we trained them so whatever you do CCP, for the love of sweet baby jesus, don't hand out a respec. A respec will just make everyone jump over to the next strongest suit and this cycle well start all over. Wow finally someone speaks the truth....i also knew from the day one we received the Calogi stats how powerfull it was gonna be after they revamped it in Uprising. I though nah ...they will nerf it soon .....ill just go with an assault suit ...ive been gimped this entire time ....aaaand here we are 7 versions of uprising later .... I still like my suit, especially after using it for all this time and yeah ...leave the respecs at home pls... Winner of the EU Squad Cup "Go Go Power Rangers!" "Accuracy"
Izlare Lenix FREE AGENTS LP 16	Posted - 2013.11.26 17:15:00 - [16] - Quote Thor, that is the same BS people said about EVE for many, many years. "EVE is to hard make it easier" or "your scarring off your player base." ect. And they were wrong. EVE continued to grow and get better. I have faith in CCP and I think dust will survive and grow. But only strong players can stick with dust, the weak will fade away.
GHOSTLY ANNIHILATOR The Corporate Raiders Top Men. 1059	Posted - 2013.11.26 17:20:00 - [17] - Quote Dont like the game gtfo simple as that. My PS3 is dusty ._. Level 1 Forum Warrior
Sgt Kirk SyNergy Gaming EoN. 3039	Posted - 2013.11.26 17:20:00 - [18] - Quote I'm a so called vet, who they hell are you? CCP should just listen to the sane people of this game and not the QQers nor the Console Idiots that are too dumb to realize that different defenses call for a different play-style.
Reav Hannari Red Rock Outriders 1968	Posted - 2013.11.26 17:25:00 - [19] - Quote Let me try again... The root issue you are complaining about is that players are using Logistics because they can maximize their defenses. Assaults should focus on offensive superiority while Logistics rely on defensive superiority to accomplish the mission. People don't run Assault much because there isn't enough benefit to use them. Nerfing Logistics is not the solution because they need that ability to play a supporting role. Instead buff the Assaults with bonuses that are appealing and enhance their offensive capability. Choosing Logistics and super tanking is a tactical reaction to the reduced TTK situation. This issue is known to CCP and they are gathering data and doing analysis to find a way to address it. Your problem, as a player, is to find a way to deal with this tactic today. Now, to help you deal with the super tank problem so you stop crying about Logistics. Situational Awareness: Find the enemy using visual, audio, passive and active scanning. It's amazing how many don't stop, look and listen. Charging into battle works when you outnumber the enemy but you can increase your odds by doing this step first. Stealth: Deny the enemy information about you. Dictate the Engagement: Attack on your terms in your optimal range. Use cover. Negate their cover through positioning. Remove the Enemy's Advantages: For super tankers you need defeat their tank as quickly as possible. The final point is the easy enough to develop tactics to handle the situation. Flux grenades or energy weapons to rapidly remove shields and then explosive or projectile weapons to remove armor. I prefer Flux to remove all shields from all mercs in one hit and all equipment that may be supporting them. Projectiles then give 10% bonus to armor damage and explosive give 20% to the same and make great finishing weapons. Super tankers generally rely on filling all slots with shield and armor buffers. To improve their damage output they need to use prototype weapons with high skills. You can do the same but combine that with damage modules to have an even higher damage output. By dictating the engagement you can use cover and strike first allowing you to apply damage faster than them. A veteran solves problems. // Logistics / Scout / Dropship Crash Tester // https://twitter.com/reesnoturana
Pvt Numnutz Ikomari-Onu Enforcement Caldari State 331	Posted - 2013.11.26 17:26:00 - [20] - Quote Ccp don't listen to QQ listen to vet QQ lol



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