DUST Search - dont nerf logi/buff assaults

ShinyJay wrote:

TechMechMeds wrote:

ShinyJay wrote:

buffing is just the same as nerfing. CCP are the ones who make it too far. and CCP also listens to people like you who want to be slayers. true logis don't need many high slots to function properly, just need there equipments. low slots they can keep for armor. if anything, heavies needs the most HP, not logis. scouts need a different type of buff. right now, a logi has everything from all 3 suits, and no good trade offs

Why make a lot of logi players unhappy because fotm people abuse the suit? When those fotm people circle jerk to the next fotm fit you will have gimped proper logis, if we nerf things because of fotm people we may as well nerf everything.

Buff assaults, heavies and scouts and QQ after, at least everyone will be much happier.

and why do you think they are FOTM? cause people look for what is most overpowered. the FOTM is usually what is MOST OP, even if only a little. buffing things won't always make people flock to it. there are people who like the suit for what it is. i like the scout suit no matter how gimped it is. but most people just want to win and pad there KDR, so they use what is OP or close to it. the logi may look like it's not OP, but what does other suits have to offer that a logi cannot that makes them stand out?

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Dachande Anasazi Imperfect Bastards 111	Posted - 2013.11.26 15:49:00 - [1] - Quote 1st and foremost lets stop calling NERF on other peoples stuff. They were smart to skill into it. Now they get a nerf with no sp back. THINK IN POSITIVES. I have many alts so I know how it is from all sides (3 alts - 4 chars in total) My main is a Logi Gallente AR user - GASP SO here is my suggestion. BUFF the dmg to assault suits. They there to KILL..Give all assault suits a bonus to DMG. NO ONE will complain (who uses assault). The current bonuses are well useless. PLZ add ur own suggestion THROUGH BUFFING on how to balance the assault.
Everything Dies Chatelain Rapid Response Gallente Federation 280	Posted - 2013.11.26 15:51:00 - [2] - Quote The LAST thing this game needs is for it to become even easier to kill (i.e. buffing assault damage.) As an assault suit user, I'd much rather receive an armor rep bonus that allows to actually remain in the battle instead of having to pop off a clip before retreating to a corner and healing for two minutes. Life is killing me.
Spectral Clone Dust2Dust. Top Men. 624	Posted - 2013.11.26 15:54:00 - [3] - Quote Logi needs to lose high/low slots in order to carry equipment. You cant have a variant of a basic medium frame with 2-3 additional equipment slots, +2 low/high and additional pg and cpu. For you decisions to matter there has to be options and tradeoffs. Logi has no tradeoffs except losing a sidearm.... KDR > ALL ME > KDR ME > ALL
Dexter307 The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar 635	Posted - 2013.11.26 16:30:00 - [4] - Quote The only suit that is causing problems is logi. So something about the logi has to be changed. Worst Thread of the Week
Dachande Anasazi Imperfect Bastards 111	Posted - 2013.11.26 16:31:00 - [5] - Quote Dexter307 wrote: The only suit that is causing problems is logi. So something about the logi has to be changed. No the problem is you as an assault have problems killing them..so YOU have the problem..lets buff you.
Dexter307 The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar 635	Posted - 2013.11.26 17:21:00 - [6] - Quote Dachande Anasazi wrote: Dexter307 wrote: The only suit that is causing problems is logi. So something about the logi has to be changed. No the problem is you as an assault have problems killing them..so YOU have the problem..lets buff you. I'm not assult I play both heavy and logi Worst Thread of the Week
DUST Fiend OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 8003	Posted - 2013.11.26 17:23:00 - [7] - Quote Dachande Anasazi wrote: Dexter307 wrote: The only suit that is causing problems is logi. So something about the logi has to be changed. No the problem is you as an assault have problems killing them..so YOU have the problem..lets buff you. I have no problem killing most people in this game, and I run a heavy The problem is logis who already get top WP in a match by dropping equipment are killing just as well as players who are only fit to kill. That's the problem. Read / Vid / Stream
Dachande Anasazi Imperfect Bastards 113	Posted - 2013.11.26 17:59:00 - [8] - Quote DUST Fiend wrote: Dachande Anasazi wrote: Dexter307 wrote: The only suit that is causing problems is logi. So something about the logi has to be changed. No the problem is you as an assault have problems killing them..so YOU have the problem..lets buff you. I have no problem killing most people in this game, and I run a heavy The problem is logis who already get top WP in a match by dropping equipment are killing just as well as players who are only fit to kill. That's the problem. THose suits req less ISK...Logi buy equipment...
Dexter307 The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar 635	Posted - 2013.11.26 18:02:00 - [9] - Quote Dachande Anasazi wrote: DUST Fiend wrote: Dachande Anasazi wrote: Dexter307 wrote: The only suit that is causing problems is logi. So something about the logi has to be changed. No the problem is you as an assault have problems killing them..so YOU have the problem..lets buff you. I have no problem killing most people in this game, and I run a heavy The problem is logis who already get top WP in a match by dropping equipment are killing just as well as players who are only fit to kill. That's the problem. THose suits req less ISK...Logi buy equipment... My advanced heavy costs much more than my advanced logi Worst Thread of the Week
Pje251296 KILL ORDERS 158	Posted - 2013.11.26 18:02:00 - [10] - Quote Instead of damage, just give the assault suits more reliable and balanced skills such as reduced pg/cpu, increased magazine and ammo capacity etc. Damage is enough on the assault suits as it is.

Dachande Anasazi Imperfect Bastards 113	Posted - 2013.11.26 18:03:00 - [11] - Quote Dexter307 wrote: Dachande Anasazi wrote: DUST Fiend wrote: Dachande Anasazi wrote: Dexter307 wrote: The only suit that is causing problems is logi. So something about the logi has to be changed. No the problem is you as an assault have problems killing them..so YOU have the problem..lets buff you. I have no problem killing most people in this game, and I run a heavy The problem is logis who already get top WP in a match by dropping equipment are killing just as well as players who are only fit to kill. That's the problem. THose suits req less ISK...Logi buy equipment... My advanced heavy costs much more than my advanced logi heavies are a diff issue anyways..the guns need a buff...seriosuly..
TechMechMeds Swamp Marines Kleenex Inc. 1510	Posted - 2013.11.26 18:04:00 - [12] - Quote Dachande Anasazi wrote: Dexter307 wrote: The only suit that is causing problems is logi. So something about the logi has to be changed. No the problem is you as an assault have problems killing them..so YOU have the problem..lets buff you. This all day long. Level 1 forum warrior. Minmatar and Gallente fw. Fix PC lag please CCP.
Thor Odinson42 Molon Labe. RISE of LEGION 2029	Posted - 2013.11.26 18:06:00 - [13] - Quote Dexter307 wrote: Dachande Anasazi wrote: DUST Fiend wrote: Dachande Anasazi wrote: Dexter307 wrote: The only suit that is causing problems is logi. So something about the logi has to be changed. No the problem is you as an assault have problems killing them..so YOU have the problem..lets buff you. I have no problem killing most people in this game, and I run a heavy The problem is logis who already get top WP in a match by dropping equipment are killing just as well as players who are only fit to kill. That's the problem. THose suits req less ISK...Logi buy equipment... My advanced heavy costs much more than my advanced logi Please post fit. You are probably running the ADV frame suit and not the ADV sentinel suit. The frame suits are ridiculously priced to make you skill into the Sentinal suits. This is the only way for this to be the case unless you have an excess of CPU and PG left on your logi suit because you are cheap. Remove time in battle from ISK payout formula and provide a bonus to winning team... Watch battles become fun again.
DUST Fiend OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 8005	Posted - 2013.11.26 18:06:00 - [14] - Quote TechMechMeds wrote: Dachande Anasazi wrote: Dexter307 wrote: The only suit that is causing problems is logi. So something about the logi has to be changed. No the problem is you as an assault have problems killing them..so YOU have the problem..lets buff you. This all day long. Yes, because it couldn't possibly have anything to do with superior fitting options Read / Vid / Stream
Thor Odinson42 Molon Labe. RISE of LEGION 2029	Posted - 2013.11.26 18:08:00 - [15] - Quote Remove the 10% damage from logis that was given with the across the board damage buff. Give assault suits another role bonus of 2% damage per level. Remove time in battle from ISK payout formula and provide a bonus to winning team... Watch battles become fun again.
TechMechMeds Swamp Marines Kleenex Inc. 1510	Posted - 2013.11.26 18:08:00 - [16] - Quote DUST Fiend wrote: TechMechMeds wrote: Dachande Anasazi wrote: Dexter307 wrote: The only suit that is causing problems is logi. So something about the logi has to be changed. No the problem is you as an assault have problems killing them..so YOU have the problem..lets buff you. This all day long. Yes, because it couldn't possibly have anything to do with superior fitting options It couldn't have anything to do with buffing assaults so both parties are happy now could it? A buff to heavies and scouts at the same time would be nice as well. Level 1 forum warrior. Minmatar and Gallente fw. Fix PC lag please CCP.
ShinyJay RETR0 PR0 GAMERS 158	Posted - 2013.11.26 18:09:00 - [17] - Quote the logis shouldn't be killing effectively with all that they have. the missing sidearm slot is not much of a trade off when even assaults don't need it most times. they need to lose some high slots so they can't stack damage mods like assaults can. logi is for all types of support, like equipment and support fire, not killing machines. I'm no assault player either, just a lowly scout able to use my suit just fine (though it still needs some kind of big love) The bunneh minnie scout sniper, hopping along and leaving blood trails
TechMechMeds Swamp Marines Kleenex Inc. 1511	Posted - 2013.11.26 18:09:00 - [18] - Quote Thor Odinson42 wrote: Remove the 10% damage from logis that was given with the across the board damage buff. Give assault suits another role bonus of 2% damage per level. I like this but the eventual 10% you'd get for assault added with weapon prof and damage mods means that light weapons would kill way too fast I think. Level 1 forum warrior. Minmatar and Gallente fw. Fix PC lag please CCP.
TechMechMeds Swamp Marines Kleenex Inc. 1511	Posted - 2013.11.26 18:10:00 - [19] - Quote ShinyJay wrote: the logis shouldn't be killing effectively with all that they have. the missing sidearm slot is not much of a trade off when even assaults don't need it most times. they need to lose some high slots so they can't stack damage mods like assaults can. logi is for all types of support, like equipment and support fire, not killing machines. I'm no assault player either, just a lowly scout able to use my suit just fine (though it still needs some kind of big love) Again, why nerf when you can buff? Everyone would be happy then. Level 1 forum warrior. Minmatar and Gallente fw. Fix PC lag please CCP.
ShinyJay RETR0 PR0 GAMERS 158	Posted - 2013.11.26 18:14:00 - [20] - Quote TechMechMeds wrote: ShinyJay wrote: the logis shouldn't be killing effectively with all that they have. the missing sidearm slot is not much of a trade off when even assaults don't need it most times. they need to lose some high slots so they can't stack damage mods like assaults can. logi is for all types of support, like equipment and support fire, not killing machines. I'm no assault player either, just a lowly scout able to use my suit just fine (though it still needs some kind of big love) Again, why nerf when you can buff? Everyone would be happy then. cause it may be an over buff and calls for even bigger and harder nerfs. there is always a trade off with that. if something becomes too powerful after a buff, it gets nerfed harder The bunneh minnie scout sniper, hopping along and leaving blood trails

TechMechMeds Swamp Marines Kleenex Inc. 1511	Posted - 2013.11.26 18:19:00 - [21] - Quote ShinyJay wrote: TechMechMeds wrote: ShinyJay wrote: the logis shouldn't be killing effectively with all that they have. the missing sidearm slot is not much of a trade off when even assaults don't need it most times. they need to lose some high slots so they can't stack damage mods like assaults can. logi is for all types of support, like equipment and support fire, not killing machines. I'm no assault player either, just a lowly scout able to use my suit just fine (though it still needs some kind of big love) Again, why nerf when you can buff? Everyone would be happy then. cause it may be an over buff and calls for even bigger and harder nerfs. there is always a trade off with that. if something becomes too powerful after a buff, it gets nerfed harder But if its nerfed it could be too much, we could just have assaults, heavies and scouts buffed. Why nerf the logi because assault players abuse it? If they go back to assault after nerf it just leaves the real logis gimped and that is not fair. Fotm people will always be fotm, if we carry on nerfing because of them everything will become useless because they just move from one thing to the next. Level 1 forum warrior. Minmatar and Gallente fw. Fix PC lag please CCP.
Dachande Anasazi Imperfect Bastards 115	Posted - 2013.11.26 18:20:00 - [22] - Quote ShinyJay wrote: TechMechMeds wrote: ShinyJay wrote: the logis shouldn't be killing effectively with all that they have. the missing sidearm slot is not much of a trade off when even assaults don't need it most times. they need to lose some high slots so they can't stack damage mods like assaults can. logi is for all types of support, like equipment and support fire, not killing machines. I'm no assault player either, just a lowly scout able to use my suit just fine (though it still needs some kind of big love) Again, why nerf when you can buff? Everyone would be happy then. cause it may be an over buff and calls for even bigger and harder nerfs. there is always a trade off with that. if something becomes too powerful after a buff, it gets nerfed harder I guess it is because CCP listens to idiots liek you the heavies and scouts and missle turrets are useless now :) ANyways off topic.. I want buff suggestions.
Lamar Wheeler D3LTA FORC3 1	Posted - 2013.11.26 18:22:00 - [23] - Quote How about you give all other suits an 10%-25% hp buff. keep logis were they are. If you just buff Assaults, Heavys and Scouts, will be at even more of a disadvantage.
ShinyJay RETR0 PR0 GAMERS 158	Posted - 2013.11.26 18:35:00 - [24] - Quote buffing is just the same as nerfing. CCP are the ones who make it too far. and CCP also listens to people like you who want to be slayers. true logis don't need many high slots to function properly, just need there equipments. low slots they can keep for armor. if anything, heavies needs the most HP, not logis. scouts need a different type of buff. right now, a logi has everything from all 3 suits, and no good trade offs The bunneh minnie scout sniper, hopping along and leaving blood trails
TechMechMeds Swamp Marines Kleenex Inc. 1511	Posted - 2013.11.26 18:43:00 - [25] - Quote ShinyJay wrote: buffing is just the same as nerfing. CCP are the ones who make it too far. and CCP also listens to people like you who want to be slayers. true logis don't need many high slots to function properly, just need there equipments. low slots they can keep for armor. if anything, heavies needs the most HP, not logis. scouts need a different type of buff. right now, a logi has everything from all 3 suits, and no good trade offs Why make a lot of logi players unhappy because fotm people abuse the suit? When those fotm people circle jerk to the next fotm fit you will have gimped proper logis, if we nerf things because of fotm people we may as well nerf everything. Buff assaults, heavies and scouts and QQ after, at least everyone will be much happier. Level 1 forum warrior. Minmatar and Gallente fw. Fix PC lag please CCP.
Lamar Wheeler D3LTA FORC3 2	Posted - 2013.11.26 18:46:00 - [26] - Quote 25 million sp pure logi here. But when i can rock over 1000 hp With duval as a logi. Others might need an hp buff.
ShinyJay RETR0 PR0 GAMERS 159	Posted - 2013.11.26 18:54:00 - [27] - Quote TechMechMeds wrote: ShinyJay wrote: buffing is just the same as nerfing. CCP are the ones who make it too far. and CCP also listens to people like you who want to be slayers. true logis don't need many high slots to function properly, just need there equipments. low slots they can keep for armor. if anything, heavies needs the most HP, not logis. scouts need a different type of buff. right now, a logi has everything from all 3 suits, and no good trade offs Why make a lot of logi players unhappy because fotm people abuse the suit? When those fotm people circle jerk to the next fotm fit you will have gimped proper logis, if we nerf things because of fotm people we may as well nerf everything. Buff assaults, heavies and scouts and QQ after, at least everyone will be much happier. and why do you think they are FOTM? cause people look for what is most overpowered. the FOTM is usually what is MOST OP, even if only a little. buffing things won't always make people flock to it. there are people who like the suit for what it is. i like the scout suit no matter how gimped it is. but most people just want to win and pad there KDR, so they use what is OP or close to it. the logi may look like it's not OP, but what does other suits have to offer that a logi cannot that makes them stand out? The bunneh minnie scout sniper, hopping along and leaving blood trails
TechMechMeds Swamp Marines Kleenex Inc. 1511	Posted - 2013.11.26 19:02:00 - [28] - Quote ShinyJay wrote: TechMechMeds wrote: ShinyJay wrote: buffing is just the same as nerfing. CCP are the ones who make it too far. and CCP also listens to people like you who want to be slayers. true logis don't need many high slots to function properly, just need there equipments. low slots they can keep for armor. if anything, heavies needs the most HP, not logis. scouts need a different type of buff. right now, a logi has everything from all 3 suits, and no good trade offs Why make a lot of logi players unhappy because fotm people abuse the suit? When those fotm people circle jerk to the next fotm fit you will have gimped proper logis, if we nerf things because of fotm people we may as well nerf everything. Buff assaults, heavies and scouts and QQ after, at least everyone will be much happier. and why do you think they are FOTM? cause people look for what is most overpowered. the FOTM is usually what is MOST OP, even if only a little. buffing things won't always make people flock to it. there are people who like the suit for what it is. i like the scout suit no matter how gimped it is. but most people just want to win and pad there KDR, so they use what is OP or close to it. the logi may look like it's not OP, but what does other suits have to offer that a logi cannot that makes them stand out? Its op because of the specific way they fit it, why punish others because some want to use it like that? If the other suits are buffed then everyone's happy. Level 1 forum warrior. Minmatar and Gallente fw. Fix PC lag please CCP.
XANDER KAG Red Star. EoN. 528	Posted - 2013.11.26 19:06:00 - [29] - Quote Because I'm certain heavies and scouts want even stronger suits on the field, this decision basically comes down to buff 3 suits or nerf 1 suit and still buff scouts and heavies. Which do you think CCP will find more easy based on their excellent track record? Who says you can't kill in style? When CCP plays Dust514
TechMechMeds Swamp Marines Kleenex Inc. 1511	Posted - 2013.11.26 19:10:00 - [30] - Quote XANDER KAG wrote: Because I'm certain heavies and scouts want even stronger suits on the field, this decision basically comes down to buff 3 suits or nerf 1 suit and still buff scouts and heavies. Which do you think CCP will find more easy based on their excellent track record? Sadly I agree. Level 1 forum warrior. Minmatar and Gallente fw. Fix PC lag please CCP.

Alena Ventrallis Osmon Surveillance Caldari State 166	Posted - 2013.11.26 19:12:00 - [31] - Quote Remove 10% damage buff from all weapons Give assault 2% damage per level instead of shield recharge Require logis to fill all equipment slots.
ShinyJay RETR0 PR0 GAMERS 159	Posted - 2013.11.26 19:14:00 - [32] - Quote i don't really agree on the sidearm only for logis, but i do feel they are a bit OP with what they can do. all we can hope for is that CCP doesn't super nerf or super buff, but sadly expect the very worse The bunneh minnie scout sniper, hopping along and leaving blood trails
Dexter307 The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar 635	Posted - 2013.11.26 20:29:00 - [33] - Quote Thor Odinson42 wrote: Please post fit. You are probably running the ADV frame suit and not the ADV sentinel suit. The frame suits are ridiculously priced to make you skill into the Sentinal suits. This is the only way for this to be the case unless you have an excess of CPU and PG left on your logi suit because you are cheap. Advanced sentinel Boundless HMG TT-3 pistol Complex armor plate Enhanced armor plate Complex armor repairer Complex heavy damage mod 83k isk Worst Thread of the Week


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