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Benjamin Ciscko
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Posted - 2013.11.26 01:36:00 -
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I didn't make it Atiim and CheckMate were too fast.
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Posted - 2013.11.26 01:39:00 -
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KING CHECKMATE wrote:jerrmy12 kahoalii wrote:they think 3 shotting any dropship and insta killing tanks with a forge gun all the way across the map with 100% invincibility and/or on a tower is balanced and thats what's meant for, i kept telling them how unbalanced that is and they say "thats your opinion" and i said ccp is looking at balancing it and they said "thats CCP's" opinion"
i REALLY hate av'r's, thier so ignorant(if i used it right). Correction.Me being a BREACH FORGEGUNNER (Prof 5, 2 Cx Dam Mods) GÖª 1 Shot DS
GÖª 1 Shot Most LAVs
GÖªTanks take all the way up to 3-4 shots, of a slow firing weapon, on a HEAVY , slow moving dropsuit, that CANT move while charging a shot.Tankers are just full of whine....
Your doing it wrong use an assault you shoot 2 shots in the time it takes a breach to shoot one and between the 2 shots you do more damage it's only useful for 1 shooting DS and shield tanks.
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Posted - 2013.11.26 01:41:00 -
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KING CHECKMATE wrote:jerrmy12 kahoalii wrote:KING CHECKMATE wrote:jerrmy12 kahoalii wrote:they think 3 shotting any dropship and insta killing tanks with a forge gun all the way across the map with 100% invincibility and/or on a tower is balanced and thats what's meant for, i kept telling them how unbalanced that is and they say "thats your opinion" and i said ccp is looking at balancing it and they said "thats CCP's" opinion"
i REALLY hate av'r's, thier so ignorant(if i used it right). Correction.Me being a BREACH FORGEGUNNER (Prof 5, 2 Cx Dam Mods) GÖª 1 Shot DS
GÖª 1 Shot Most LAVs
GÖªTanks take all the way up to 3-4 shots, of a slow firing weapon, on a HEAVY , slow moving dropsuit, that CANT move while charging a shot.Tankers are just full of whine.... im not talking about the breach, just the regular or assault, they said (read OP) that insta killing is ok and even in redline/tower spamming is balanced. btw atim STAY OUT i dont need more av'r's pissing me off Insta killing is NOT ok. Not even a Dropship should be insta killed by my FG.(2hits should be fine, giving him time ti flee or take cover, i mea it is 6 SECS after the first shot XD) But with Modules Running , a MAddy wont fall to my breach FG doing MASSIVE damage even with 2-5 shots. All this time, im unprotected (I dont tower camp) and vulerable to Tanks,DS, and other Infantry. Now. I do know i HAVE insta killed tanks. I wont lie . But they are MLT tanks.I do agree MLT tanks need to be less effective , but similar in resistance to STD tanks, same as MLT and STD dropsuits are alike (bar of 1 slot ,but equal HP) I kind of,see you point. Nothing should INSTA KILL a vehicle (except MLT/STD LAVs), but considering the weapon im using, the proficiency, the 2 Cx dam mods, and running a HEAVY... i think DS: 2 shots LDS:3 LLAVs: 2-3 shots STD - MLT - SLAVs : 1 Tanks MLT- 2 Any other tank- 2+ This , WITHOUT modules.... IMO that is.
Sounds reasonable but very vague.
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Benjamin Ciscko
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Posted - 2013.11.26 01:43:00 -
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I think the FG should at least have a drop off in the projectile if not the damage.
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Benjamin Ciscko
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Posted - 2013.11.26 01:58:00 -
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Atiim wrote:Benjamin Ciscko wrote:
Your doing it wrong use an assault you shoot 2 shots in the time it takes a breach to shoot one and between the 2 shots you do more damage it's only useful for 1 shooting DS and shield tanks.
You do realize that shields have a base resistance of 10% against Forge Guns right?
Yes, but the best shield tanks have 40% resist and 5.5k shield with 10% reduction that's 50% damage reduction. A Wykiromi breach proficiency, 5 two damages, and a rear hit will drop the shields by more than half on the best tank, on an average fit it wil insta pop it or come very close.
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Posted - 2013.11.26 02:07:00 -
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True Adamance wrote:I just want to fight other tanks every now a then....is that so much to ask.
I know I was retreating after get hit by 3 swarms and 3 AV nades if not more, then I get hit by 2-3 proto swarms drive behind a small wall concealing me from the swarms because it would take to long to go any further. I attempt to recall when my armor drops below 1000 because the swarms pulled a 90 degree turn around the wall so I can not recall. A final volley soon finishes me off.
5 minutes later he pulls out a Scat Ion fit Madrugar, so it is clear he has over a million in tanks probably at least 4 but he is too scared to actually pull his tank out to fight me.
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Benjamin Ciscko
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Posted - 2013.11.26 02:17:00 -
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One problem I have is that if an FG gets behind me he can hit me with 4 shots and I go pop this is because he out shoots my rep. ideally I can take 7 proto FG shots maybe 8 (no rear hits and my rep cycles completely) but because of the delay in rep time and cycle time it takes half that.
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Posted - 2013.11.26 02:25:00 -
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KING CHECKMATE wrote:True Adamance wrote:Atiim wrote:True Adamance wrote:I just want to fight other tanks every now a then....is that so much to ask. I just don't want to play a game of Tank 514 where I can either drive my tank, or get laughed at as I am gunned down by HAVs because my AV is too weak to even be considered a threat. Is that to much to ask? But the game is already AR/ SL 514. There is not balance right now. AGREED... BUT INSTEAD OF BALANCE, tankers want to completely flip the coin, and make it Tank514.
And there is where Atiim and me come in...
There is a cap on vehicles, also once you hit 4 HAV's it begins to get crowded and tanks will bump into and back over other tanks to get away. If their playing properly they will roll in pairs, simply get a DS with a good gunner on a good turret to separate them and single out an HAV and destroy it, quite simple.
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Posted - 2013.11.26 02:27:00 -
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KING CHECKMATE wrote:Benjamin Ciscko wrote:One problem I have is that if an FG gets behind me he can hit me with 4 shots and I go pop this is because he out shoots my rep. ideally I can take 7 proto FG shots maybe 8 (no rear hits and my rep cycles completely) but because of the delay in rep time and cycle time it takes half that. HAHAHAH 7 maybe 8 PROTO FG SHOTS? Ok lets say you can take that much. What prevents you from always kicking in afterburners after the 2 nd shot and run away, with NO possibility of EVER dying? Pfft u mad bro....
I don't use it not enough PG on my fit.
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Posted - 2013.11.26 02:34:00 -
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Atiim wrote:Benjamin Ciscko wrote:KING CHECKMATE wrote:
AGREED...
BUT INSTEAD OF BALANCE, tankers want to completely flip the coin, and make it Tank514.
And there is where Atiim and me come in...
There is a cap on vehicles, also once you hit 4 HAV's it begins to get crowded and tanks will bump into and back over other tanks to get away. If their playing properly they will roll in pairs, simply get a DS with a good gunner on a good turret to separate them and single out an HAV and destroy it, quite simple. Not enough room for 7 HAVs? Have you even been to maps like Manus Peak? And that tactic requires a pilot so how would that help balance things in terms of infantry?
Lol Manus peak with 7 moving HAV's tell me that's not an accident waiting to happen.
The tanker needs another tanker for the support and teamwork why shouldn't the infantry have to use teamwork?
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Posted - 2013.11.26 03:02:00 -
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KalOfTheRathi wrote:Benjamin Ciscko wrote:I think the FG should at least have a drop off in the projectile if not the damage. CoD or BF3 player spotted! Why everyone gets so excited about screwing the other players fun is baffling. We have (today, 2013) many system to compensate for bullet drop, range determination and compensation for them. It would most certainly be in play a gazillion years in the future. Also, why add the complexity so the game becomes even less fun than it is now? The game borders on boredom more often than not, yet the forums want the variety to be removed and to add complexity (that CCP/Shanghai would be hard pressed to code correctly) to further bog down our ancient PS3s. Insta-Killing a tank cannot happen, whether on a tower or not. Depending on many factors a clip or more is often required. Do the math Merc. That amount of seconds does not equate to insta kills. Also, Forge Guns used to be infinite as did Rail Tanks. Now Tanks are limited to 599m and FG are at 299m. Get some facts right before you tune to the whine channel.
Fun getting insta popped (there term is used loosely you just don't understand) is not fun for me so my pain translates into your fun their is a better solution. I don't care about real life I care about balance in this video game. Vehicles should have better armor a gazillion years in the future.
If Complexity = not getting insta popped then Complexity = fun. 12 seconds or less to pop a tank that took at least an hour to grind the ISK. A rail tank does not have your DPS and can get to places and fire at angles that you can.
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Benjamin Ciscko
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Posted - 2013.11.26 03:11:00 -
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True Adamance wrote:KING CHECKMATE wrote:Benjamin Ciscko wrote:KING CHECKMATE wrote:Benjamin Ciscko wrote:One problem I have is that if an FG gets behind me he can hit me with 4 shots and I go pop this is because he out shoots my rep. ideally I can take 7 proto FG shots maybe 8 (no rear hits and my rep cycles completely) but because of the delay in rep time and cycle time it takes half that. HAHAHAH 7 maybe 8 PROTO FG SHOTS? Ok lets say you can take that much. What prevents you from always kicking in afterburners after the 2 nd shot and run away, with NO possibility of EVER dying? Pfft u mad bro.... My fit has 19k+ EHP I might not be able to tank 7-8 shots from Cubs but in general yes. I don't use it not enough PG on my fit. Then i Completely disagree with you there. A Proto BREACH FG should 4 Shot ANY tank.AT WORST.
You have Modules,speed and Cover to avoid death. 19K EHP.... wow my basic Maddy is 6573 x 1.5 + whatever the rep value of the IGL polarized rep is..... that definitely not 19K....how'd you do that?
2x carapace armor hardener's plus maxed out passive resist skill gives about 50% if I am not mistaken maybe more then it has a 180mm nanofiber giving it 6k armor so with resists 9k EHP plus 6k reps which is also being hardened.
9k+9k+1k(shields)=19k this is the most Ideal situation generally I won't have shields or I won't have both resists active when the first and possibly 2nd hardener is on. So in general I have a good 15k EHP with that factored in.
I'll mail you the Precise fit if you'd like.
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Benjamin Ciscko
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Posted - 2013.11.26 03:12:00 -
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KING CHECKMATE wrote:Benjamin Ciscko wrote:KING CHECKMATE wrote:Benjamin Ciscko wrote:One problem I have is that if an FG gets behind me he can hit me with 4 shots and I go pop this is because he out shoots my rep. ideally I can take 7 proto FG shots maybe 8 (no rear hits and my rep cycles completely) but because of the delay in rep time and cycle time it takes half that. HAHAHAH 7 maybe 8 PROTO FG SHOTS? Ok lets say you can take that much. What prevents you from always kicking in afterburners after the 2 nd shot and run away, with NO possibility of EVER dying? Pfft u mad bro.... My fit has 19k+ EHP I might not be able to tank 7-8 shots from Cubs but in general yes. I don't use it not enough PG on my fit. Then i Completely disagree with you there. A Proto BREACH FG should 4 Shot ANY tank.AT WORST.
You have Modules,speed and Cover to avoid death.
This is the most Ideal situation generally I won't have shields or I won't have both resists active when the first and possibly 2nd hardener is on. So in general I have a good 15k EHP with that factored in
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Benjamin Ciscko
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Posted - 2013.11.26 03:18:00 -
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True Adamance wrote:KING CHECKMATE wrote:Benjamin Ciscko wrote:KING CHECKMATE wrote:Benjamin Ciscko wrote:One problem I have is that if an FG gets behind me he can hit me with 4 shots and I go pop this is because he out shoots my rep. ideally I can take 7 proto FG shots maybe 8 (no rear hits and my rep cycles completely) but because of the delay in rep time and cycle time it takes half that. HAHAHAH 7 maybe 8 PROTO FG SHOTS? Ok lets say you can take that much. What prevents you from always kicking in afterburners after the 2 nd shot and run away, with NO possibility of EVER dying? Pfft u mad bro.... My fit has 19k+ EHP I might not be able to tank 7-8 shots from Cubs but in general yes. I don't use it not enough PG on my fit. Then i Completely disagree with you there. A Proto BREACH FG should 4 Shot ANY tank.AT WORST.
You have Modules,speed and Cover to avoid death. 19K EHP.... wow my basic Maddy is 6573 x 1.5 + whatever the rep value of the IGL polarized rep is..... that definitely not 19K....how'd you do that?
You have let's see 6573 x 1.5 is roughly 9725 then IGL is around 5100 rep so Ideally you have Ideally around 18.5k EHP but it is usually around 14-15k EHP that you have though may tank is superior to yours by just a little bit.
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